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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#61 » by Mr B » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:54 am

HairyGOATee wrote:Josh Green could be the starter next year if the Mavs let DFS walk.

I think that was the original plan for him to progress into that role. He just needs to be more aggressive.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#62 » by HairyGOATee » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:28 am

Mr B wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Josh Green could be the starter next year if the Mavs let DFS walk.

I think that was the original plan for him to progress into that role. He just needs to be more aggressive.


It'll come with more playing time. He's good on defense and very athletic, he just needs the playing time to progress on offense now.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#63 » by Michaellam1987 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 1:49 pm

Josh Green's offense is still very raw, that have limited him to play more
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#64 » by Bob8 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 2:23 pm

Mr B wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Josh Green could be the starter next year if the Mavs let DFS walk.

I think that was the original plan for him to progress into that role. He just needs to be more aggressive.


There's one big problem with Green replacing DFS, DFS has already made 101 3s this year. And it's not only about Green needing to be more aggressive.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#65 » by mabundo_nagumbe » Wed Feb 9, 2022 3:16 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Josh Green could be the starter next year if the Mavs let DFS walk.

I think that was the original plan for him to progress into that role. He just needs to be more aggressive.


There's one big problem with Green replacing DFS, DFS has already made 101 3s this year. And it's not only about Green needing to be more aggressive.


I know it might seem he has to be more agressive, but we don't know what Kidd tells him to do. Maybe, or probably, it's the coach who decides how many shots he should take. I believe he has special defensive assignments and is encouraged to cut and run on fast breaks. If coach would tell him to be more agressive, we would likely see him taking more shots. but until that happens, it's safe to assume he is just fulfilling his particular role on the team
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#66 » by Bob8 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 3:21 pm

mabundo_nagumbe wrote:
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Mr B wrote:I think that was the original plan for him to progress into that role. He just needs to be more aggressive.


There's one big problem with Green replacing DFS, DFS has already made 101 3s this year. And it's not only about Green needing to be more aggressive.


I know it might seem he has to be more agressive, but we don't know what Kidd tells him to do. Maybe, or probably, it's the coach who decides how many shots he should take. I believe he has special defensive assignments and is encouraged to cut and run on fast breaks. If coach would tell him to be more agressive, we would likely see him taking more shots. but until that happens, it's safe to assume he is just fulfilling his particular role on the team


I don't believe it's that easy. For every 3 he makes, he air balls one.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#67 » by mabundo_nagumbe » Wed Feb 9, 2022 3:31 pm

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mabundo_nagumbe wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
There's one big problem with Green replacing DFS, DFS has already made 101 3s this year. And it's not only about Green needing to be more aggressive.


I know it might seem he has to be more agressive, but we don't know what Kidd tells him to do. Maybe, or probably, it's the coach who decides how many shots he should take. I believe he has special defensive assignments and is encouraged to cut and run on fast breaks. If coach would tell him to be more agressive, we would likely see him taking more shots. but until that happens, it's safe to assume he is just fulfilling his particular role on the team


I don't believe it's that easy. For every 3 he makes, he air balls one.


Probably why he's not envouraged to be more agressive, until he proves he can hit it consistently on practice
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#68 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 3:39 pm

They are different player with different skills, i don't know if one day Josh will be better than DFS.

There is to consider that Josh is only 21yo and DFS at this age was still played at college.
Also the following year.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#69 » by Mr B » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:36 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Josh Green could be the starter next year if the Mavs let DFS walk.

I think that was the original plan for him to progress into that role. He just needs to be more aggressive.


There's one big problem with Green replacing DFS, DFS has already made 101 3s this year. And it's not only about Green needing to be more aggressive.

His shooting does need to improve and until it does the Mavs would take a step back in that department. As he gets more time though his shot should improve. He needs to be more aggressive though when those opportunities are provided to him.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#70 » by Bob8 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 6:12 pm

Mr B wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Mr B wrote:I think that was the original plan for him to progress into that role. He just needs to be more aggressive.


There's one big problem with Green replacing DFS, DFS has already made 101 3s this year. And it's not only about Green needing to be more aggressive.

His shooting does need to improve and until it does the Mavs would take a step back in that department. As he gets more time though his shot should improve. He needs to be more aggressive though when those opportunities are provided to him.


Premise was Green being starter, not shooting like that.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#71 » by HairyGOATee » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:46 am

Mr B wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Mr B wrote:I think that was the original plan for him to progress into that role. He just needs to be more aggressive.


There's one big problem with Green replacing DFS, DFS has already made 101 3s this year. And it's not only about Green needing to be more aggressive.

His shooting does need to improve and until it does the Mavs would take a step back in that department. As he gets more time though his shot should improve. He needs to be more aggressive though when those opportunities are provided to him.


Yeah, it'll take time. DFS and Kleber took time, and honestly, Luka has taken time and still needs more time to shoot better. Only way to get that time is to give him the opportunity.

But I'd like to keep DFS too, so I'm torn.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#72 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:53 am

HairyGOATee wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
There's one big problem with Green replacing DFS, DFS has already made 101 3s this year. And it's not only about Green needing to be more aggressive.

His shooting does need to improve and until it does the Mavs would take a step back in that department. As he gets more time though his shot should improve. He needs to be more aggressive though when those opportunities are provided to him.


Yeah, it'll take time. DFS and Kleber took time, and honestly, Luka has taken time and still needs more time to shoot better. Only way to get that time is to give him the opportunity.

But I'd like to keep DFS too, so I'm torn.


Luka is shooting more or less the same % since he was 17. Interesting enough he was much better FT shooter back then. It's not exactly done deal that Josh will become much better, the same goes with Ntilikina.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#73 » by HairyGOATee » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:55 am

Bob8 wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:
Mr B wrote:His shooting does need to improve and until it does the Mavs would take a step back in that department. As he gets more time though his shot should improve. He needs to be more aggressive though when those opportunities are provided to him.


Yeah, it'll take time. DFS and Kleber took time, and honestly, Luka has taken time and still needs more time to shoot better. Only way to get that time is to give him the opportunity.

But I'd like to keep DFS too, so I'm torn.


Luka is shooting more or less the same % since he was 17. Interesting enough he was much better FT shooter back then. It's not exactly done deal that Josh will become much better, the same goes with Ntilikina.


Luka improved a lot last year, but has taken a step back this year due to the new rules, new ball, and new offensive system.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#74 » by HairyGOATee » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:53 am

With DFS in tow, I don't think Green has a path towards becoming a starter on this team. I mean, the Mavs could put him at the 3 and DFS at the 4, but DFS' extension complicates things.

But that's not necessarily bad either. Green will continue to develop and I hope he can become a legit 3D player. He could become a Danny Green type if he keeps improving.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#75 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:46 pm

HairyGOATee wrote:With DFS in tow, I don't think Green has a path towards becoming a starter on this team. I mean, the Mavs could put him at the 3 and DFS at the 4, but DFS' extension complicates things.

But that's not necessarily bad either. Green will continue to develop and I hope he can become a legit 3D player. He could become a Danny Green type if he keeps improving.

I think there’s still a chance Green could become a starter. Or very least one of the first guys off the bench. DFS still has value around the league and still has a very tradeable contract.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#76 » by HairyGOATee » Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:47 am

Mr B wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:With DFS in tow, I don't think Green has a path towards becoming a starter on this team. I mean, the Mavs could put him at the 3 and DFS at the 4, but DFS' extension complicates things.

But that's not necessarily bad either. Green will continue to develop and I hope he can become a legit 3D player. He could become a Danny Green type if he keeps improving.

I think there’s still a chance Green could become a starter. Or very least one of the first guys off the bench. DFS still has value around the league and still has a very tradeable contract.


That's true, and DFS could start at the 4 and Green at the 2 or 3. Just depends on the matchup.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#77 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Mar 2, 2022 6:03 pm

He never shines but he makes every time the right thing.
He has quick hands.

But i see him better guarding PG and SG, not so good against SF/PF.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#78 » by dirkules_41 » Wed Mar 2, 2022 8:20 pm

I'm pleased with the development. He's not filling up the stat sheet but he is everywhere he needs to be on the floor :)
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#79 » by arkuo » Thu Mar 3, 2022 3:08 am

If Josh Green can have short term development similar to Raja Bell's latter years (6 to 8 points, 37% from 3) while playing very tough defense, I think he is good. Long term he can pattern his game similar to Bell's and raise his scoring a bit.
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Re: Time to discuss josh Green 

Post#80 » by Bob8 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:57 am

arkuo wrote:If Josh Green can have short term development similar to Raja Bell's latter years (6 to 8 points, 37% from 3) while playing very tough defense, I think he is good. Long term he can pattern his game similar to Bell's and raise his scoring a bit.


He's almost completely stop shooting for 3, he didn't attempt shot for 3 5x in last 8 games. And his playing time is down after the trade. All that with THJ out. I don't understand from where optimism for his development comes.

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