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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#61 » by polo007 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:52 pm

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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#62 » by Michael Bradley » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:06 pm

RapsAndJays21 wrote:Don't know anything about Devon Travis, but glad to see you guys are liking the trade, so I'll take your word for it. We definitely have some worthwhile young guys now. Just need a direction.


It's hard to get a consensus on Travis. I remember Sickels raving about him and calling him a breakout candidate in 2013, and Steamer/Fangraphs is projecting him to be league average offensively as early as 2015. I think he is a high floor player, meaning if he stays healthy, then he has a good chance of becoming a solid MLB regular with a chance to be better than that depending on his defense. Gose is the opposite. He is a high upside player but only has one elite tool at the moment (defense). If the Tigers can improve his base running and offense, he will be a very good player, but that's no easy task. I think his defense alone will make him a 1 win player. Whatever he improves on beyond that will determine his career.

I like the trade overall. Sickels is usually pretty reliable with his analysis and you can't really find any flaws in Travis from a performance standpoint yet. Hopefully it works out.
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#63 » by MStep95 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:10 pm

Good trade for the Jays. Gose was going nowhere here.

Is this new guy supposed to have a shot at the starting 2B job or will he start in the minors?
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#64 » by Kevin Willis » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:56 pm

torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.

Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays

C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion

SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison



I'm not sure - but is this a lineup we should be excited about? How good is Roberto Osuna?
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#65 » by dagger » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:08 pm

torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.

Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays

C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion

SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison


If Hoffman's arm is sound, he may get to the majors by 2017, and ahead of Pentacost. Also, by 2016, I wonder what Jose Bautista has left as a right fielder. Tellez just made it to Lansing and will likely start the season there, and at the rate of one level per season here on in to allow his power to develop 2017 might be a little bullish. If any outfielder not named Pompey rushes through the system, it could be Alford.
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#66 » by Nights King » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:47 pm

After Pompey and Travis, the next prospect to compete for a full time role will be Dwight Smith Jr who just moved to 2B so the Travis trade is a big deal for him, it might have put up a roadblock for him although there's always the option to moving back to LF. I like Smith Jr a lot, he's our own Devon Travis, a guy who's always scrutinized based on what he can't do than people appreciating what he can do.
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#67 » by Kevin Willis » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:33 pm

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torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.

Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays

C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion

SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison


If Hoffman's arm is sound, he may get to the majors by 2017, and ahead of Pentacost. Also, by 2016, I wonder what Jose Bautista has left as a right fielder. Tellez just made it to Lansing and will likely start the season there, and at the rate of one level per season here on in to allow his power to develop 2017 might be a little bullish. If any outfielder not named Pompey rushes through the system, it could be Alford.



Dagger, is this a good squad outside of the names that are currently on the team?
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#68 » by MikeM » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:43 pm

This kid is definitely going to get his shot to start the year at 2B. League average production for peanuts is no joke for us.

Also, lots of people hate on him for being 23 in AA but he was a college pick and hasn't failed at a level. So it's not like he's 23 in AA because he's repeated a bunch of levels, more like he just hasn't had the opportunity to advance since he started in A- as a 21 year old.

Career .323 MILB hitter with an 80% SB and great BB/K ratios. He's got every change to be a big leaguer I'd think.
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#69 » by dagger » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:00 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
dagger wrote:
torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.

Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays

C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion

SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison


If Hoffman's arm is sound, he may get to the majors by 2017, and ahead of Pentacost. Also, by 2016, I wonder what Jose Bautista has left as a right fielder. Tellez just made it to Lansing and will likely start the season there, and at the rate of one level per season here on in to allow his power to develop 2017 might be a little bullish. If any outfielder not named Pompey rushes through the system, it could be Alford.



Dagger, is this a good squad outside of the names that are currently on the team?



Hard to say. What would Bautista, Reyes and Encarnation have left in the tank? Plus, those young players are hard to project for 2017. Obviously they have promise, but except for the most exceptional phenoms, it takes a few years to become a top major leaguer. That's why I am lukewarm about going with this core for another season, unless there are moves made to shore up the lineup this winter.
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#70 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:04 pm

CrookedJ wrote:I suspect that they had decided to give Gose an extended run in a consistent role to see if he was a piece for us or a trade piece.

Because all those other times they gave him an extended run just weren't enough. Had to watch him fail that one last time.
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#71 » by Graham's Cracker » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:19 pm

The only thing I want to know is what Travis' walkoff bunt ratio is. We've lost Gose and potentially Kawasaki. I'm concerned.
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#72 » by Ku-Bar » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:28 pm

Hopefully this means they are prepared to give Melky the extra 1-2 years because I would argue your outfield is only a position of strength if you have Melk and Joey Bats at the corners with honorable mention to Pompey.

The media spin should be adding to a position of need 2B and having to give up quality to get it done versus "dealing from a position of strength" if both Melky and Rasmus are in fact being shown the door.
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Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis 

Post#73 » by Skin Blues » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:45 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.

Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays

C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion

SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison



I'm not sure - but is this a lineup we should be excited about? How good is Roberto Osuna?

You have to count on at least half of those prospects busting. Tellez likely will not pan out, Pentecost- who knows, Travis - decent shot, Barreto - maybe, Pompey - maybe, Sanchez - decent shot, Norris - decent shot at being a useful starter, Osuna - who knows. They're not all going to be starting lineup-calibre, not by a longshot, but it's not a bad group of prospects.

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