Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
Moderator: JaysRule15
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,330
- And1: 3,027
- Joined: Nov 02, 2006
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
[tweet]http://twitter.com/Wilnerness590/status/532909165048381440[/tweet]
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,440
- And1: 2,138
- Joined: Feb 25, 2004
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
RapsAndJays21 wrote:Don't know anything about Devon Travis, but glad to see you guys are liking the trade, so I'll take your word for it. We definitely have some worthwhile young guys now. Just need a direction.
It's hard to get a consensus on Travis. I remember Sickels raving about him and calling him a breakout candidate in 2013, and Steamer/Fangraphs is projecting him to be league average offensively as early as 2015. I think he is a high floor player, meaning if he stays healthy, then he has a good chance of becoming a solid MLB regular with a chance to be better than that depending on his defense. Gose is the opposite. He is a high upside player but only has one elite tool at the moment (defense). If the Tigers can improve his base running and offense, he will be a very good player, but that's no easy task. I think his defense alone will make him a 1 win player. Whatever he improves on beyond that will determine his career.
I like the trade overall. Sickels is usually pretty reliable with his analysis and you can't really find any flaws in Travis from a performance standpoint yet. Hopefully it works out.
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
-
- Ballboy
- Posts: 29
- And1: 26
- Joined: Apr 18, 2014
-
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
Good trade for the Jays. Gose was going nowhere here.
Is this new guy supposed to have a shot at the starting 2B job or will he start in the minors?
Is this new guy supposed to have a shot at the starting 2B job or will he start in the minors?
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
- Kevin Willis
- RealGM
- Posts: 12,678
- And1: 8,095
- Joined: Apr 17, 2009
-
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.
Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays
C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion
SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison
I'm not sure - but is this a lineup we should be excited about? How good is Roberto Osuna?
When Chuck Norris was born the doc said "Congratulations, its a man"
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 41,306
- And1: 14,332
- Joined: Aug 19, 2002
-
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.
Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays
C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion
SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison
If Hoffman's arm is sound, he may get to the majors by 2017, and ahead of Pentacost. Also, by 2016, I wonder what Jose Bautista has left as a right fielder. Tellez just made it to Lansing and will likely start the season there, and at the rate of one level per season here on in to allow his power to develop 2017 might be a little bullish. If any outfielder not named Pompey rushes through the system, it could be Alford.
2019 will never be forgotten because FLAGS FLY FOREVER
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
-
- Banned User
- Posts: 674
- And1: 113
- Joined: Nov 01, 2014
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
After Pompey and Travis, the next prospect to compete for a full time role will be Dwight Smith Jr who just moved to 2B so the Travis trade is a big deal for him, it might have put up a roadblock for him although there's always the option to moving back to LF. I like Smith Jr a lot, he's our own Devon Travis, a guy who's always scrutinized based on what he can't do than people appreciating what he can do.
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
- Kevin Willis
- RealGM
- Posts: 12,678
- And1: 8,095
- Joined: Apr 17, 2009
-
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
dagger wrote:torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.
Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays
C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion
SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison
If Hoffman's arm is sound, he may get to the majors by 2017, and ahead of Pentacost. Also, by 2016, I wonder what Jose Bautista has left as a right fielder. Tellez just made it to Lansing and will likely start the season there, and at the rate of one level per season here on in to allow his power to develop 2017 might be a little bullish. If any outfielder not named Pompey rushes through the system, it could be Alford.
Dagger, is this a good squad outside of the names that are currently on the team?
When Chuck Norris was born the doc said "Congratulations, its a man"
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
- MikeM
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,046
- And1: 9,897
- Joined: Aug 10, 2006
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
This kid is definitely going to get his shot to start the year at 2B. League average production for peanuts is no joke for us.
Also, lots of people hate on him for being 23 in AA but he was a college pick and hasn't failed at a level. So it's not like he's 23 in AA because he's repeated a bunch of levels, more like he just hasn't had the opportunity to advance since he started in A- as a 21 year old.
Career .323 MILB hitter with an 80% SB and great BB/K ratios. He's got every change to be a big leaguer I'd think.
Also, lots of people hate on him for being 23 in AA but he was a college pick and hasn't failed at a level. So it's not like he's 23 in AA because he's repeated a bunch of levels, more like he just hasn't had the opportunity to advance since he started in A- as a 21 year old.
Career .323 MILB hitter with an 80% SB and great BB/K ratios. He's got every change to be a big leaguer I'd think.
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 41,306
- And1: 14,332
- Joined: Aug 19, 2002
-
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
Kevin Willis wrote:dagger wrote:torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.
Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays
C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion
SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison
If Hoffman's arm is sound, he may get to the majors by 2017, and ahead of Pentacost. Also, by 2016, I wonder what Jose Bautista has left as a right fielder. Tellez just made it to Lansing and will likely start the season there, and at the rate of one level per season here on in to allow his power to develop 2017 might be a little bullish. If any outfielder not named Pompey rushes through the system, it could be Alford.
Dagger, is this a good squad outside of the names that are currently on the team?
Hard to say. What would Bautista, Reyes and Encarnation have left in the tank? Plus, those young players are hard to project for 2017. Obviously they have promise, but except for the most exceptional phenoms, it takes a few years to become a top major leaguer. That's why I am lukewarm about going with this core for another season, unless there are moves made to shore up the lineup this winter.
2019 will never be forgotten because FLAGS FLY FOREVER
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 38,052
- And1: 21,163
- Joined: Dec 07, 2009
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
CrookedJ wrote:I suspect that they had decided to give Gose an extended run in a consistent role to see if he was a piece for us or a trade piece.
Because all those other times they gave him an extended run just weren't enough. Had to watch him fail that one last time.
One flew east, one flew west, one flew over the cuckoo’s nest.
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
- Graham's Cracker
- Analyst
- Posts: 3,203
- And1: 647
- Joined: Nov 12, 2004
- Location: location location
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
The only thing I want to know is what Travis' walkoff bunt ratio is. We've lost Gose and potentially Kawasaki. I'm concerned.
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
-
- Pro Prospect
- Posts: 902
- And1: 475
- Joined: Aug 07, 2004
- Contact:
-
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
Hopefully this means they are prepared to give Melky the extra 1-2 years because I would argue your outfield is only a position of strength if you have Melk and Joey Bats at the corners with honorable mention to Pompey.
The media spin should be adding to a position of need 2B and having to give up quality to get it done versus "dealing from a position of strength" if both Melky and Rasmus are in fact being shown the door.
The media spin should be adding to a position of need 2B and having to give up quality to get it done versus "dealing from a position of strength" if both Melky and Rasmus are in fact being shown the door.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
- Skin Blues
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,625
- And1: 872
- Joined: Nov 24, 2010
Re: Gose traded for Tigers' 2B prospect Devon Travis
Kevin Willis wrote:torontoaces04 wrote:I think what this indicates, more than anything, is how high the Jays are on Dalton Pompey.
Your 2016-2017 Toronto Blue Jays
C- Max Pentecost
1B- Rowdy Tellez
2B- Devon Travis
SS- Franklin Barreto
3B- Brett Lawrie
LF- Jose Reyes
CF- Dalton Pompey
RF- Jose Bautista
DH - Edwin Encarnacion
SP - Aaron Sanchez
SP - Daniel Norris
SP - Marcus Stroman
SP - Roberto Osuna
SP - Drew Hutchison
I'm not sure - but is this a lineup we should be excited about? How good is Roberto Osuna?
You have to count on at least half of those prospects busting. Tellez likely will not pan out, Pentecost- who knows, Travis - decent shot, Barreto - maybe, Pompey - maybe, Sanchez - decent shot, Norris - decent shot at being a useful starter, Osuna - who knows. They're not all going to be starting lineup-calibre, not by a longshot, but it's not a bad group of prospects.