Most underrated trade: Lind for Estrada

[TheDoctor]

Lind woulda only made this monster offense even scarier..... But that was not the need. Colabelo is better overall hitter than Lind anyway and Smoak the better fielder.

If the Jays dont have Estrada this season, things would not have played out as they did. He was our #5 guy but pitched like a #3 consistantly.... In the playoffs he's an Ace.

We wouldn't be in the playoffs if we didn't make this deal.

Who knew that AA knew what he was doing with damn near every move this year?

( to Saunders for letting us down... but not that shockingly.)

[Steelo Green]

Lind woulda only made this monster offense even scarier..... But that was not the need. Colabelo is better overall hitter than Lind anyway and Smoak the better fielder.

If the Jays dont have Estrada this season, things would not have played out as they did. He was our #5 guy but pitched like a #3 consistantly.... In the playoffs he's an Ace.

We wouldn't be in the playoffs if we didn't make this deal.

Who knew that AA knew what he was doing with damn near every move this year?

( to Saunders for letting us down... but not that shockingly.)

You know I didn't mean it like that.

Buy yeah AA is a wizard, didn't you know

[bluerap23]

I was not a big fan of the two trades (Lind for E and Happ for Saunders).

I guess that's why I'm not a GM.

[James_Raptors]

AA was interviewed and the quote was on fan590 baseball today, paraphrasing "AA is already working on 2016, 2017 and beyond. He has spoken to Estrada about returning to the Jays and there is mutual interest."

[mini]

AA was interviewed and the quote was on fan590 baseball today, paraphrasing "AA is already working on 2016, 2017 and beyond. He has spoken to Estrada about returning to the Jays and there is mutual interest."

Ok, so if we sign him, how much and how long? I would be very hesitant to sign him for big money or long term. He's been great, but so have lots of other guys for one year (especially after switching leagues).

Does bringing Navarro back become a thing too? I don't see any reason why he'd want to come back as a back-up unless we massively over-pay. Even then, I feel like he wants to play.

[James_Raptors]

AA was interviewed and the quote was on fan590 baseball today, paraphrasing "AA is already working on 2016, 2017 and beyond. He has spoken to Estrada about returning to the Jays and there is mutual interest."

Ok, so if we sign him, how much and how long? I would be very hesitant to sign him for big money or long term. He's been great, but so have lots of other guys for one year (especially after switching leagues).

Does bringing Navarro back become a thing too? I don't see any reason why he'd want to come back as a back-up unless we massively over-pay. Even then, I feel like he wants to play.

I remember Estrado discussing after game 4 (In Texas) that he Navarro has been huge to his success. He was asked about bot of their imconing Fee Agency and he expressed a desire for them both to play for the same team again.

[mini]

AA was interviewed and the quote was on fan590 baseball today, paraphrasing "AA is already working on 2016, 2017 and beyond. He has spoken to Estrada about returning to the Jays and there is mutual interest."

Ok, so if we sign him, how much and how long? I would be very hesitant to sign him for big money or long term. He's been great, but so have lots of other guys for one year (especially after switching leagues).

Does bringing Navarro back become a thing too? I don't see any reason why he'd want to come back as a back-up unless we massively over-pay. Even then, I feel like he wants to play.

I remember Estrado discussing after game 4 (In Texas) that he Navarro has been huge to his success. He was asked about bot of their imconing Fee Agency and he expressed a desire for them both to play for the same team again.

Right, which is a problem for bringing Estrada back. We don't need Navarro for the type of money he can get on the market.

[James_Raptors]

Ok, so if we sign him, how much and how long? I would be very hesitant to sign him for big money or long term. He's been great, but so have lots of other guys for one year (especially after switching leagues).

Does bringing Navarro back become a thing too? I don't see any reason why he'd want to come back as a back-up unless we massively over-pay. Even then, I feel like he wants to play.

I remember Estrado discussing after game 4 (In Texas) that he Navarro has been huge to his success. He was asked about bot of their imconing Fee Agency and he expressed a desire for them both to play for the same team again.

Right, which is a problem for bringing Estrada back. We don't need Navarro for the type of money he can get on the market.

Well, it's early in the process. First let's see if AA comes back (most assume he will), then we can get into contractual status and negotiations. It's not even a given that AA will be back 100% nor that Estrada would turn down a deal to Toronto if Navarro was heading elsewhere.

[Shimso]

I was not a big fan of the two trades (Lind for E and Happ for Saunders).

I guess that's why I'm not a GM.

Yeah, I was totally wrong about both trades. I didn't think Estrada would be worth anything more than a couple relief innings a week, and I thought that we'd regret not having Happ (and Janssen).

[MikeM]

I think we do regret not having Happ after seeing him go to work in Pittsburgh. Of course who could have seen that coming.

[Boogie!]

I think we do regret not having Happ after seeing him go to work in Pittsburgh. Of course who could have seen that coming.

guy has a career era over 4. who cares about happ. no way hes near as domiant if he stays on the jays or in the american league for that matter.

[Skin Blues]

I think we do regret not having Happ after seeing him go to work in Pittsburgh. Of course who could have seen that coming.

guy has a career era over 4. who cares about happ

Estrada's career ERA was 4.23 before we traded for him. And all of that came in the NL where he faces a pitcher 2-3 times per game. Players change and make adjustments/improvements, there's a lot more to pitchers than their career ERA.

[Boogie!]

I think we do regret not having Happ after seeing him go to work in Pittsburgh. Of course who could have seen that coming.

guy has a career era over 4. who cares about happ

Estrada's career ERA was 4.23 before we traded for him. And all of that came in the NL where he faces a pitcher 2-3 times per game. Players change and make adjustments/improvements, there's a lot more to pitchers than their career ERA.

happ was pitching like he normally does in seattle and the change didnt happen until halfway through the season after he got traded to pittsburgh. id say the improvement is more likely due to the team/league change rather than him suddenly becoming amazing.

[Skin Blues]

I didn't think he was amazing, either. But his career ERA was irrelevant. And I liked the trade, it was a good price for Saunders and we needed an OF because Pompey was a complete unknown coming into the season and while Pillar was likely to be a steady defensive player that didn't kill you with the bat, he was far from a sure-thing as well. Obviously, losing Stroman for the year changed things, and Norris/Sanchez not being ready didn't help (although shouldn't have been a big surprise), but at the time we had more of a need for an OF than a starter.

[ldnk]

I'm perfectly happy to admit that I didn't like the trade. I was a fan of Lind's. I think if Lind was used properly he is a fantastic addition to the roster (made irrelevant by Colabello having an amazing season). I really thought he would get rocked in the AL East. AA got this one right in a big way.

[zong]

I agree, I think Colabello's breakout season made this trade feel even sweeter.

[Raps in 4]

I think we do regret not having Happ after seeing him go to work in Pittsburgh. Of course who could have seen that coming.

guy has a career era over 4. who cares about happ. no way hes near as domiant if he stays on the jays or in the american league for that matter.

He's put up better numbers than Estrada this year.

[Rbk_3]

I think we do regret not having Happ after seeing him go to work in Pittsburgh. Of course who could have seen that coming.

guy has a career era over 4. who cares about happ. no way hes near as domiant if he stays on the jays or in the american league for that matter.

He's put up better numbers than Estrada this year.

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Also, how has he faired in 2 elimination playoff games?