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Post#1 » by Banger_bro » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:25 pm

I found this to be a bit surprising. They do have the best outfield defense, with a healthy Johnson.

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Post#2 » by T.Duncan21 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:55 pm

A healthy Rolen, Overbay, Johnson, Rios and Wells are above average.
Hill is average
Zaun is below average

I honestly havn't seen enough Eckstein to say anything concrete but I would put him between Hill and Zaun. It's a good defensive team but we're weak at an important position which is Catcher.
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Post#3 » by The_Hater » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:01 pm

I saw a detailed report last winter that also had us ranked with the best OF defense in baseball. It basically said that with Reed out in LF, we were playing 3 CF's at the same time.

And the infield D should be improved this year, especially with JMac available as a late inning D replacement.

Of course Lind is a huge negative when he plays in LF for RJ and Zaun can't throw anybody out to save his life.
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Post#4 » by Duffman100 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:14 pm

T.Duncan21 wrote:A healthy Rolen, Overbay, Johnson, Rios and Wells are above average.
Hill is average
Zaun is below average

I honestly havn't seen enough Eckstein to say anything concrete but I would put him between Hill and Zaun. It's a good defensive team but we're weak at an important position which is Catcher.


Hill is above average.
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Post#5 » by raps4life~ » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:43 am

T.Duncan21 wrote:A healthy Rolen, Overbay, Johnson, Rios and Wells are above average.
Hill is average
Zaun is below average

I honestly havn't seen enough Eckstein to say anything concrete but I would put him between Hill and Zaun. It's a good defensive team but we're weak at an important position which is Catcher.





:o :o :o :o :o :o :o WTF!?!?!?!?!?


have you even watched a jays game?


Hill is one of the best defensive 2nd basemen in the LEAGUE.


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Post#6 » by Schad » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:07 am

FWIW, Hill was statistically a frontrunner for the Gold Glove.
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Post#7 » by kavan » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:22 am

V-Dubs a GOld Glover
Rios a Cannon potential CF with potential GG but VDubs has that
Johnson great arm and speed potential CF with some GG chance but again Vdubs if not Rios :>

McD and Hill are wicked 1-2 punch. Rolen and Overbay.. cant doubt the D they bring. We need a catcher who can HIT and play D that improves the team A HOLE LOT.
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Post#8 » by risktaker91 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:32 am

Eckstein and Zaun are the weak spots on our team defensively.
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Post#9 » by Michael Bradley » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:04 pm

When they play Johnson in LF and McDonald at SS, then I'd say they easily have the best defense in baseball. Of course, Eckstein is the starting SS and Stairs figures to get time in LF against RHP, so there will be some weak spots, but overall I'd say the Jays will be one of (if not the) top defensive teams in the league next year.

Rolen really helps a lot because he can cover a bit of ground for Eckstein. If Rolen and McDonald play together, then teams will have a tough time getting the ball past the infield if it's hit on the ground. Johnson-Wells-Rios is a fantastic defensive outfield. Speed, range, and strong arms....can't really ask for much more from your outfielders. The only real weak spot is Zaun's arm.
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Post#10 » by OldNo7 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:07 pm

Yeah I think the upgrade of Rolen at 3B, combined with the health of everyone else in the field, will just make Zaun's short comings more blatant. Though, I guess the hope is that our fielders get every ball their way so that no one is ever on base for Zaun to worry about ;)
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Post#11 » by The_Hater » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:51 pm

whosthebosh? wrote:Yeah I think the upgrade of Rolen at 3B, combined with the health of everyone else in the field, will just make Zaun's short comings more blatant. Though, I guess the hope is that our fielders get every ball their way so that no one is ever on base for Zaun to worry about ;)


Generally speaking, when you surround a poor defensive player with a bunch of really good ones, doesn't that actually help cover up his short comings and/or make them easier to live with?
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Post#12 » by Holmes » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:09 pm

The_Hater wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Generally speaking, when you surround a poor defensive player with a bunch of really good ones, doesn't that actually help cover up his short comings and/or make them easier to live with?


Unless Aaron Hill is really Dhalsim, he's not going to help Zaun a whole lot with the throw to second.
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Post#13 » by The_Hater » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:04 pm

Holmes wrote:
Unless Aaron Hill is really Dhalsim, he's not going to help Zaun a whole lot with the throw to second.


True. But with a bunch of vacuums out there, there should be less baserunners and less opportunites for opponents to steal. Hence that weakness won't be tested as often.
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Post#14 » by TR50 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:23 pm

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Post#15 » by T.Duncan21 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:02 pm

I don't know why but I was really unimpressed with Hill's Defense last year. Sure he had his highlights but I didn't think he was gold glove worthy at all. Can someone posts some numbers to prove otherwise. Maybe it was because I was comparing him to O-Dog.

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