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Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#1 » by 5DOM » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:55 pm

6:40pm: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports hear from a major league source who says the LA Times report below is "not accurate." However, FOX Sports hears that the Rangers have a legitimate chance of trading for Halladay.


6:06pm: MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan hears that the Rangers have "significant ongoing communications" with the Blue Jays. He also suggests that the Rangers won't let money prevent them from acquiring Halladay if they can do so for a reasonable price.


I don't think we have a thread dedicated to the Rangers' pieces.
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#2 » by TMLBLUE » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:08 am

Anyone two of Feliz, Smoak, Holland and one of their none top prospects would have me happy that we did not trade with Philly. Although I doubt Rangers fans would like that too much.
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#4 » by Avenger » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:53 am

TMLBLUE wrote:Anyone two of Feliz, Smoak, Holland and one of their none top prospects would have me happy that we did not trade with Philly. Although I doubt Rangers fans would like that too much.

i agree and i would even pay some of Doc's salary to make it happen. The rangers always had the best prospects but we weren't sure if they really wanted Doc because he's not really gonna push them over the hump.
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#5 » by youngLion » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:59 am

Wilner has said a few times that he doesn't believe that Halladay would accept a trade to Texas, but we've also heard that he's already given JP a list of acceptable teams. If Texas isn't on that list then JP obviously wouldn't be wasting his time. One of these things, or this Texas rumour itself, must be untrue.
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#6 » by -MetA4- » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:28 am

youngLion wrote:Wilner has said a few times that he doesn't believe that Halladay would accept a trade to Texas, but we've also heard that he's already given JP a list of acceptable teams. If Texas isn't on that list then JP obviously wouldn't be wasting his time. One of these things, or this Texas rumour itself, must be untrue.


Halladay has not indicated that he will not accept a trade to Texas. These talks wouldn't be going on if he wouldn't accept a trade. The Twins made an inquisition about Halladay a few days ago but were told that they were not on the list of teams he'd accept a trade to.
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#7 » by Mustard_Tiger » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:37 am

Giving a list is a little bit different than actually accepting it on the last day when you are presented with a deal. I would be surprised if he willingly chooses to go to Texas, a team that hasn't been in the playoffs for a long time, and a park that hurts pitching numbers.
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#8 » by studcrackers » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:08 am

the park hasnt hurt pitching numbers this year, it's an anemic offense

anyways as a rangers fan im gonna guess if u trade him it'll be to us. enjoy derek holland, an amazing performance tonight, i love the guy and feel that you guys are gonna rip us off. just treat dutch well, probably gonna enjoy justin smoak too
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Post#9 » by s_other » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:10 am

Avenger wrote:The rangers always had the best prospects but we weren't sure if they really wanted Doc because he's not really gonna push them over the hump.


Exactly. There's no doubt, overall, Texas can offer more high-ceiling guys than LA, Anaheim, Boston, and Philly, but they're not a playoff team so the trade makes little sense. Of course, this is the same team that previously acquired Carlos Lee for no good reason, plus their GM (Jon Daniels) is fantastic at getting ripped off in trades. Same guy that gave Chris Young and Adrian Gonzalez away for Adam Eaton, and refused to part with Brad Wilkerson for Alex Rios.

I'd love a Texas trade. Not as much as an Anaheim deal, but it's close. Grabbing Smoak and Holland would be ridiculous.
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#10 » by studcrackers » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:16 am

you do realize we're only 3 games back and are 7-2 vs. the angels this year and have dominated the al west head to head this year right?

as for the carlos lee trade, not a dumb deal by any means, we gave up our crap for nelson cruz and lee and then got 2 draft picks for lee.

and daniels is a gigantic reason why we're in such a great position to trade for halladay and are as good a team as ever heading into the future. you're crazy if you'd rather deal w/anaheim rather than texas
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Post#11 » by 5DOM » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:16 am

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Post#12 » by Raptors Realtor » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:22 am

studcrackers wrote:the park hasnt hurt pitching numbers this year, it's an anemic offense

anyways as a rangers fan im gonna guess if u trade him it'll be to us. enjoy derek holland, an amazing performance tonight, i love the guy and feel that you guys are gonna rip us off. just treat dutch well, probably gonna enjoy justin smoak too


...and don't forget about Feliz, too!
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#13 » by studcrackers » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:25 am

if the trade goes through id guess it'd be holland and smoak, no reason to get greedy
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Re: Rangers the Frontrunners? 

Post#14 » by s_other » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:03 am

studcrackers wrote:you do realize we're only 3 games back and are 7-2 vs. the angels this year and have dominated the al west head to head this year right?


You do realize their schedule is easier and they're actually a better team, right?? If either Lackey or Saunders would start pitching like their supposed to, that 3-game gap is going to widen pretty quickly. Texas is remarkably mediocre but has done a commendable job hanging around. I'm not convinced they're an ace pitcher away from overtaking a superior Anaheim team.

as for the carlos lee trade, not a dumb deal by any means, we gave up our crap for nelson cruz and lee and then got 2 draft picks for lee.


You know one of those "crap" pieces has over 100 saves since then, right?? Nelson Cruz was thought of the same way by Milwaukee as you think of Cordero.

and daniels is a gigantic reason why we're in such a great position to trade for halladay and are as good a team as ever heading into the future. you're crazy if you'd rather deal w/anaheim rather than texas


I never said Daniels wasn't good at drafting. I said he was terrible at trading. All the prospects Texas is offering up weren't traded for.

I'd rather deal with Anaheim, anyway. It works better with Toronto's goal of contending sooner-than-later; Weaver is superior to Holland while Aybar and Wood, while obviously not being as gifted as Smoak, play more desirable positions (SS and 3rd). Smoak is a better 1B than Aybar is a SS (although he's extremely talented in his own right), but you take the high-ceiling SS over the high-ceiling 1B everyday.
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Post#15 » by -MetA4- » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:10 am

"It's still premature to make a prediction whether it will happen,'' Ryan said of a deal for Holladay. "Obviously, we'd like to have him"
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Post#16 » by -MetA4- » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:17 am

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I'd rather deal with Anaheim, anyway. It works better with Toronto's goal of contending sooner-than-later; Weaver is superior to Holland while Aybar and Wood, while obviously not being as gifted as Smoak, play more desirable positions (SS and 3rd). Smoak is a better 1B than Aybar is a SS (although he's extremely talented in his own right), but you take the high-ceiling SS over the high-ceiling 1B everyday.


That deal isn't even on the table, and never was.

Weaver isn't even what we want to acquire...we want young cheap talent, not a Boras client who is going to hold us up for an enormous payday (which I believe he is in line for soon).
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Post#17 » by Raptors Realtor » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:01 am

studcrackers wrote:if the trade goes through id guess it'd be holland and smoak, no reason to get greedy



"No reason to get greedy"... I can assure you that JP, not to mention our fanbase, is gonna require a little more than a 22 year old premium 1B prospect, and a 23 year old pitcher with a 4-6 record, and an era over 6!

I might be wrong, but Riccardi was asking for Drabek, who ;s expected to be better than Holland, Happ and Brown!

I just don't see 2 prospects getting this deal done!
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Post#18 » by Mustard_Tiger » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:44 am

Holland is a much better prospect than Drabek.

I could see Holland, Smoak, and a few other lower prospects possibly getting it done. But even then, I'm not sure the Jays will take it. The Jays will also probably have to pay for some of his salary which they don't want to do, and Halladay would also have to waive his no-trade clause to go to a place he's never liked pitching in.
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Post#19 » by -MetA4- » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:55 am

Mustard_Tiger wrote:But even then, I'm not sure the Jays will take it.


They will. We've been doing a lot of posturing with the whole "we want every single prospect plus more" approach but they know what the realistic offer is going to look like and a deal centered around Holland/Feliz + Smoak is easily the best you can hope for and it is certain you wont get a better offer than that again. Lets make it clear that they clearly want to trade Halladay no matter what they say...that offer is more than fair (top pitching prospect + top hitting prospect + more).

The Jays will also probably have to pay for some of his salary which they don't want to do


Not that big of a deal. Halladay is only due $4.75 million the rest of this season, paying part of that isn't really that much considering Rogers saves the entire $16+ million he makes next year if they dont trade him (and they'd still have to pay the entire $4.75 mill he makes this year too).

and Halladay would also have to waive his no-trade clause to go to a place he's never liked pitching in.


If Halladay wasn't willing to go to Texas these talks wouldn't even be going on right now. Ricciardi has a list of teams that Doc is willing to go to, the Twins made an inquiry about Halladay a few days ago and were told that they weren't on his list of teams he'd accept a trade to.
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Post#20 » by Mustard_Tiger » Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:42 am

-MetA4- wrote:They will.

Unless you work with JP Ricciardi and Paul Beeston, you have no idea what they will do if they are presented with that offer. You have to have guts to make a franchise-altering move that could alienate a majority of the fans, and I'm not sure either of the two will pull it off. Especially when they both may not even be with the team after this winter.

We've been doing a lot of posturing with the whole "we want every single prospect plus more" approach but they know what the realistic offer is going to look like and a deal centered around Holland/Feliz + Smoak is easily the best you can hope for and it is certain you wont get a better offer than that again. Lets make it clear that they clearly want to trade Halladay no matter what they say...that offer is more than fair (top pitching prospect + top hitting prospect + more).

If they clearly wanted to trade Halladay, they would have done it already with Philly before they moved onto Cliff Lee. The Jays are in a state of disarray.

Not that big of a deal. Halladay is only due $4.75 million the rest of this season, paying part of that isn't really that much considering Rogers saves the entire $16+ million he makes next year if they dont trade him (and they'd still have to pay the entire $4.75 mill he makes this year too).

Again...you don't know what the team is willing to do. All signs have pointed to their unwillingness to pay for any of his contract.

If Halladay wasn't willing to go to Texas these talks wouldn't even be going on right now. Ricciardi has a list of teams that Doc is willing to go to, the Twins made an inquiry about Halladay a few days ago and were told that they weren't on his list of teams he'd accept a trade to.

Rosenthal's source tonight on Foxsports.com indicated that Halladay has not said he would approve a deal to Texas yet.

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