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Post#21 » by MHZ » Tue May 20, 2008 7:55 pm

phil77 wrote:If Melo is gone, AI will leave and JR Smith will leave.

And can we please stop talking about prospects like they are proven talents. Rose has talent but I have seen more talented player not pan out in the NBA. He could be a future all-star type PG or he can be a bust that is why they are called prospects.

If you put Melo in the draft right now he would be far and away the number #1 pick.

You have to kid yourself if a team wouldnt trade there number #1 pick for a proven all-star that can average 30 ppg in the NBA and who is only 23 and already has five years of NBA experience. Maybe some fans wouldn't do it because they hate Melo but I doubt any actual GM would turn down a chance to get a 23 year old franchise player.


Agreed with the last part. Especially Beasley. As if Beasley brings anything different to the table than what Melo brings... a rebound or two better a game at best... And let's keep in mind only Kobe is a more versatile scorer than Melo. The absolute best case scenario is that Beasley becomes the player Melo already is, in my opinion.
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Post#22 » by Peanut » Tue May 20, 2008 8:00 pm

I can see GMs turning down Melo for the number 1 pick. Not every team in the lottery needs a wingman and a pg can always be used. But 2nd pick up, I can see being traded for Carmelo.

Damn, imagine how Carmelo must feel. He came into the league with all the hype surrounding him and Lebron, now its being said that he might be dealt and the team pretty much gave up on him. Thats a crushing blow.
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Post#23 » by stefano2006 » Wed May 21, 2008 10:49 pm

Peanut wrote:I can see GMs turning down Melo for the number 1 pick. Not every team in the lottery needs a wingman and a pg can always be used. But 2nd pick up, I can see being traded for Carmelo.

Damn, imagine how Carmelo must feel. He came into the league with all the hype surrounding him and Lebron, now its being said that he might be dealt and the team pretty much gave up on him. Thats a crushing blow.


Well, that s not really nice in fact,but it look like .....i don t know, a lot of game i have seen he was lazy or snubbing his opponent, i prefered him last year even.
5 years here, might want to go in a city where sponsors will be bigger, you remember that all story about him not happy with a sponsor not paying im enough....
Dude, these guys are paid like hell, and we take care of them so much, c mon, if tommorrow they ll tell you you take 15million a year, i ran until i puke on the floor man even if it is 100games a year or 120...
basketball is there job and for mostly their hobby and they get paid hell for it...
So do you think Melo is really sad like the way you think he is!!!!
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Post#24 » by lou4gehrig » Thu May 22, 2008 3:33 am

Carmelo isn't worth a top two pick in this draft. He's a great player, no doubt. But a shot at Beasley or Rose (who both have potential to be a top 5 player) isn't worth Carmelo.

Rose + Jefferson for Anthony? Come on. That's a huge overpayment. Maybe Jefferson + No 9 pick is about right.
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Post#25 » by airchibundo507 » Thu May 22, 2008 4:10 am

lou4gehrig wrote:Carmelo isn't worth a top two pick in this draft. He's a great player, no doubt. But a shot at Beasley or Rose (who both have potential to be a top 5 player) isn't worth Carmelo.

Rose + Jefferson for Anthony? Come on. That's a huge overpayment. Maybe Jefferson + No 9 pick is about right.


first of all...melo doesn't have the potential to be a top 5 player? isn't he only 23 years old? isn't he already a top 10 player?

second of all...the key word in your post is "potential". there's as big a downside to their "potential" as their upside.
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Post#26 » by stefano2006 » Thu May 22, 2008 2:09 pm

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first of all...melo doesn't have the potential to be a top 5 player? isn't he only 23 years old? isn't he already a top 10 player?

second of all...the key word in your post is "potential". there's as big a downside to their "potential" as their upside.


We don t even know what Beasley will do in Nba, so many kids came out quick to get money and all, they know this year they could top 5 draft, next they might top 15....I have no object to trade Carmelo, but i would rather get few 25-26 years old proven guy, than one exiting college boy....
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Post#27 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Thu May 22, 2008 4:32 pm

lou4gehrig wrote:Carmelo isn't worth a top two pick in this draft. He's a great player, no doubt. But a shot at Beasley or Rose (who both have potential to be a top 5 player) isn't worth Carmelo.

Rose + Jefferson for Anthony? Come on. That's a huge overpayment. Maybe Jefferson + No 9 pick is about right.

A guy who could give you 25-30 PPG on 50% plus shooting with 9-10 boards a game, and 4-5 assists isn't worth either of the top two picks?

That's quite funny. And yes, Melo could put up numbers like those in the right system. Or actually.. a system. Denver has none. His Defense can improve too. He isn't as bad as people make him out to be, he does need to focus more on it, but it also hard to focus when you're clueless as what to do. Which is how most of Denver's players looked on defense when needing to rotate this year.

Seemed all Karl coached was, let people drive to Camby, Camby block.
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Post#28 » by JRmakes_it_rain » Thu May 22, 2008 11:16 pm

airchibundo507 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



first of all...melo doesn't have the potential to be a top 5 player? isn't he only 23 years old? isn't he already a top 10 player?

second of all...the key word in your post is "potential". there's as big a downside to their "potential" as their upside.



Melo deserved rookie of the year over Lebron...I don't think anybody would debate that. Since then he's been the best player on the olympic team.....and made the playoffs every year. Before AI arrived in Denver, Melo was considered the best offensive player in the L with Kobe. Versatile scorer, who was capable of scoring in a lot of different ways. A bad defender, who showed glimpses of being an average defender. Which to be honest, an average defender is really who we need him to be...I'd love him to be a great defender, but not everybody puts in the effort that it takes to do so.

Let's not forget what we have here people....I'm as pissed at Melo as much as any Nugget fan for this year...on and off the court....but the potential is still there, and he's going to rebound from this year. I think its easy for people to forget what exactly this guy is capable of....
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Post#29 » by sportsmikegm23 » Mon May 26, 2008 1:37 am

JRmakes_it_rain wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




Melo deserved rookie of the year over Lebron...I don't think anybody would debate that. Since then he's been the best player on the olympic team.....and made the playoffs every year. Before AI arrived in Denver, Melo was considered the best offensive player in the L with Kobe. Versatile scorer, who was capable of scoring in a lot of different ways. A bad defender, who showed glimpses of being an average defender. Which to be honest, an average defender is really who we need him to be...I'd love him to be a great defender, but not everybody puts in the effort that it takes to do so.

Let's not forget what we have here people....I'm as pissed at Melo as much as any Nugget fan for this year...on and off the court....but the potential is still there, and he's going to rebound from this year. I think its easy for people to forget what exactly this guy is capable of....



Great post...

We were a 17-65 before Melo and he has helped the Nuggets become semi relevant. He has does many good things for this franchise... Potential? I think we have all seen the talent already and that is what makes some of his actions on the court so maddening... He's got more skill and talent and we all just want him to use it. He can be a top 5 player if he wants to be.

This being said, he has to mature on and off the court. He's smart enough to learn from what he has done wrong and improve. He must become more of a leader... Status quo Melo won't do...
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Post#30 » by airchibundo507 » Mon May 26, 2008 2:01 am

JRmakes_it_rain wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




Melo deserved rookie of the year over Lebron...I don't think anybody would debate that. Since then he's been the best player on the olympic team.....and made the playoffs every year. Before AI arrived in Denver, Melo was considered the best offensive player in the L with Kobe. Versatile scorer, who was capable of scoring in a lot of different ways. A bad defender, who showed glimpses of being an average defender. Which to be honest, an average defender is really who we need him to be...I'd love him to be a great defender, but not everybody puts in the effort that it takes to do so.

Let's not forget what we have here people....I'm as pissed at Melo as much as any Nugget fan for this year...on and off the court....but the potential is still there, and he's going to rebound from this year. I think its easy for people to forget what exactly this guy is capable of....


I think people like to blow melo's defensive woes out of proportion. I think he's a capable man defender...but his problems defensively are with rotating (as with every nugget besides najera) and help D. help D especially...because when melo's man doesn't have the ball, melo has a tendency to sink in and/or not watch his man and give up a wide open perimeter jumper.

he's leaps and bounds a better defender than when he first came into the league, and I think we can all take pride in that.

as for the offensive end of the court, melo has solidified himself as a superstar scorer, especially considering no spacing on the floor and no point guard setting him up. but I really don't think he can get any better offensively until the nuggets get some shooters. he struggles with double teams, force bad shots, and turns the ball over all because of lack of spacing. he has proven to be a great passer out of the post, but until he gets outside shooters, he'll never be at the offensive level that kobe is at.

kobe understands that he uses his scoring and penetrating ability to get the best shot possible for the team...not necessarily for himself. sometimes he looks to draw the double purposely so he can get his teammates open 3's or open lay-ups. melo can get to that level; all he needs is the shooters and some sort of off-ball movement (system).
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Post#31 » by el loco » Mon May 26, 2008 3:52 am

JRmakes_it_rain wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




Melo deserved rookie of the year over Lebron...I don't think anybody would debate that. Since then he's been the best player on the olympic team.....and made the playoffs every year. Before AI arrived in Denver, Melo was considered the best offensive player in the L with Kobe. Versatile scorer, who was capable of scoring in a lot of different ways. A bad defender, who showed glimpses of being an average defender. Which to be honest, an average defender is really who we need him to be...I'd love him to be a great defender, but not everybody puts in the effort that it takes to do so.

Let's not forget what we have here people....I'm as pissed at Melo as much as any Nugget fan for this year...on and off the court....but the potential is still there, and he's going to rebound from this year. I think its easy for people to forget what exactly this guy is capable of....


Well put... :nod: I completely agree
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Post#32 » by el loco » Mon May 26, 2008 4:00 am

airchibundo507 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think people like to blow melo's defensive woes out of proportion. I think he's a capable man defender...but his problems defensively are with rotating (as with every nugget besides najera) and help D. help D especially...because when melo's man doesn't have the ball, melo has a tendency to sink in and/or not watch his man and give up a wide open perimeter jumper.

he's leaps and bounds a better defender than when he first came into the league, and I think we can all take pride in that.


I thought he made a few improvements in the second half of the season. At least I could see where he was making an effort on the defensive end. He does lose his man when the ball is moving, but some of that is due to Karl's gambling (cheating) style on defense of playing the passing lanes and the fact that we try to get out on the break. I don't think his defense would even be much of a factor and noticed so much if the Nuggets crashed the boards instead of leaking out on the break all the time.

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