Nurkic: "I don't see my future in Denver"

[The Rebel]

What are you guys looking to get if he is traded?

What is a young big with all star talent worth?

[DaFan334]

When was that article written? I can't make out a date on the cover. It may be due to the lack of English on it. I'm just kind of wondering if that was before or after his benching and if his benching was a result of those comments to an extent. I'm also a little surprised no mainstream media outlet would have something on it.

[NuggetsWY]

What are you guys looking to get if he is traded?

A helluva lot more than what the T&T posters are offering

ROFBL - Funny, but oh so true - Some Nuggets fans would probably want an all-star (wouldn't we all LOL) - realistically I think a young forward with strong potential or a mid-first round or a late-first round with an early-second

[Stackey]

When was that article written? I can't make out a date on the cover. It may be due to the lack of English on it. I'm just kind of wondering if that was before or after his benching and if his benching was a result of those comments to an extent. I'm also a little surprised no mainstream media outlet would have something on it.

It's from late December.

And this is what he said for the USA media

http://bsndenver.com/im-not-here-to-sit-on-the-bench-im-here-to-play-basketball-jusuf-nurkic-unhappy-with-current-role/

[jayu70]

What are you guys looking to get if he is traded?

A helluva lot more than what the T&T posters are offering

I guess the question is what are your team needs and what other players would/should be included in any trade with him to help balance your roster? Is denver trying to make the playoffs this year?

[The Rebel]

What are you guys looking to get if he is traded?

A helluva lot more than what the T&T posters are offering

I guess the question is what are your team needs and what other players would/should be included in any trade with him to help balance your roster? Is denver trying to make the playoffs this year?

Yes Denver is trying to make the playoffs this year, if they are looking for anything it is going to be a package deal bringing back a clear upgrade at PF or PG, or a Nurkic for a young high potential SF or likely lotto pick.

[NuggetsWY]

It's clearly time to move on from Nurkic. He had a nice rookie season but he just hasn't panned out.

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that you said the Nuggets should tear apart the team and go for a high draft pick?

He's a good enough defender to carve out a large bench role or a Mozgov type starting role somewhere.

However, he's going to command a rather large salary and given that he's completely unplayable with your franchise player (Jokic) it's time to move him while he has some trade value.

Since the Nuggets are still under the salary cap floor; how much they pay for anyone is relatively insignificant UNLESS it prevents the signing of a big time free agent - a problem other small market teams face - and in NBA terms, Denver is "small market" (not in football though).

As far as being "completely unplayable with your franchise player"; that's a matter of opinion. Most of the Nuggets faithful believe that Malone designed no plays to take advantage of his twin towers and perhaps even sabotaged that lineup which the fans were screaming for last year. Malone loves-LOVES the 2-PG or 3-guard lineups and he loves 2-SF-no-PF lineups and he loves shorter-PFs-at-center. Check the mpg stats on the Nuggets. Twin towers works when a team has a system designed for twin towers.

Jokic is a terrific offensive player but he's somewhat difficult to build a team around due to him not being able to play center defensively.

Misunderstanding of statistics here: Jokic is not a big-time shot-blocker but shooting percentages in the paint are fairly low when he is playing - better than many "rim protectors".

This means if the nuggets want to build a winner around Jokic they have to pay the utmost attention to roster construction. They dont have the benefit of just throwing a few talented players around him and that translating to wins. They will need to be intentional with their player selection.

Well, you got me there, but then again, doesn't every team need to pay the utmost attention to roster construction? The Nuggets aren't the only team with no all-star to build around and there are a couple of teams that have one all-star and just a few talented players around him. My view is that playoffs this year is less important than team development for future serious competition. As a long time Nuggets fan, reaching the playoffs and losing in the first or second round is something we have done too often over the years. Yes, we need more talent but we've accumulated loads of assets. We're hoping our front office will make the right deal and/or find the right all-star FA.

Nurkic will clearly command too large of a long term salary than he has value for the Nugs. Move on before you get nothing for him.

Thank you for your concern for the Nuggets.
We'll chat again. Keep watching and so how wrong I can be (or maybe I could be right-nobody knows LOL).

[skywalker33]

I'd call BOS and offer Nurkic and Nelson for Rozier, MEM 2019 1st (top 8 protected) and rights to Zizic. Zizic replaces Nurkic, Rozier/Murray step up to replace Nelson and we add a future 1st. BOS gets the C of the future now to pair with Horford and Nelson is a solid backup to either forward on in trade or backup IT.

[Powder Blue]

I have a lot more faith in the future of Nurkic than I do Michael Malone....and probably Tim Connelly. Faried/DA aren't centers, everyone except the coach knows that.

If Nurk is traded and it's not part of a package that brings in a really good player this front office is clueless.

[jayu70]

A helluva lot more than what the T&T posters are offering

I guess the question is what are your team needs and what other players would/should be included in any trade with him to help balance your roster? Is denver trying to make the playoffs this year?

Yes Denver is trying to make the playoffs this year, if they are looking for anything it is going to be a package deal bringing back a clear upgrade at PF or PG, or a Nurkic for a young high potential SF or likely lotto pick.

Anything from the Hawks interest you?

[GlenRiceARoni]

#1 Mozgov has a huge salary and Nurkic is significantly younger than him so yes he will get a large contract.

#2 Nurkic and jokic can not share the floor together. Not enough athleticism on defense you'd get killed (check the stats they have been a disaster).

Besides, why do you guys even want Nurkic? You have jokic and he's money. You need to start putting shooters around him.

Don't get so defensive I have a friend in your front office so i consider myself a fan. Hell i wear nuggets gear as much as Hornets and get their cell phone updates. I have them winning 44 games in my big $$$ prediction pool from preseason.

It looks like the decision has already been made to move on from Nurkic. Hence the benching. I'd be relatively surprised if hes not moved before the deadline.

Enough with this "twin towers" stuff you sound like Philly fans. It's 2017, "twin towers" will get you blown out

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[NuggetsWY]

I guess the question is what are your team needs and what other players would/should be included in any trade with him to help balance your roster? Is denver trying to make the playoffs this year?

Yes Denver is trying to make the playoffs this year, if they are looking for anything it is going to be a package deal bringing back a clear upgrade at PF or PG, or a Nurkic for a young high potential SF or likely lotto pick.

Anything from the Hawks interest you?

Millsap was discussed during the off-season - he'd be worth a lot of assets. Unfortunately, he's about the only one of much interest and even there, he's old enough that he'll be out of his prime before our youth is in their prime. Most of your players don't fit or are just too old, compared to our youth. Chandler at SF is as good as our better than your players of similar age (more or less). I just don't know.

[jayu70]

Yes Denver is trying to make the playoffs this year, if they are looking for anything it is going to be a package deal bringing back a clear upgrade at PF or PG, or a Nurkic for a young high potential SF or likely lotto pick.

Anything from the Hawks interest you?

Millsap was discussed during the off-season - he'd be worth a lot of assets. Unfortunately, he's about the only one of much interest and even there, he's old enough that he'll be out of his prime before our youth is in their prime. Most of your players don't fit or are just too old, compared to our youth. Chandler at SF is as good as our better than your players of similar age (more or less). I just don't know.

What is the fit issue? Style of play? too many players requiring the ball to be effective? Too many at 1 position?
I understand the older vs young player part.

[NuggetsWY]

Anything from the Hawks interest you?

Millsap was discussed during the off-season - he'd be worth a lot of assets. Unfortunately, he's about the only one of much interest and even there, he's old enough that he'll be out of his prime before our youth is in their prime. Most of your players don't fit or are just too old, compared to our youth. Chandler at SF is as good as our better than your players of similar age (more or less). I just don't know.

What is the fit issue? Style of play? too many players requiring the ball to be effective? Too many at 1 position?
I understand the older vs young player part.

Different teams/trades bring different issues and different Nuggets fans have different issues. Here's a list that I think is complete; realizing that "fit issue" can be overcome with the right offer. TPE and expiring contracts are offered and they are useless to Denver since we are under the salary cap floor, although a really big one, if we use it next year, might let us sign two top-tier free agents - if we can get them interested in Denver.

Denver is looking for young players with good potential - especially forwards. A center might be nice. Guards would be more difficult. Nelson is over 30. Barton is 25. Harris is 22 and the rest of our guards can't even buy alcohol yet. We have 3 SGs, 2 PGs, 1 combo and we've been offered SGs in trades. To bring in a SG, he'd need to be a current all-star, I would think.

At forward, we've got Faried & Arthur plus Gallinari & Chandler. Good role players/and or bench players and/or 3rd/4th options depending on which one. They are all over 25 and by the time our young players are ready to seriously contend, which could be 3-5 years, they will be starting their decline. Faried is a rebounding machine. Arthur can shoot some and defend more. Gallinari can shoot and get to the line. Chandler is the most well-rounded of the four and the one Denver probably ought to keep. What Denver needs at forward is 2 or 3 players that might make all-star. Players that can play both ends of the court and shoot some 3s. What we don't need is more 27 yr old one dimensional players. Those guys belong on championship contenders where they can be used when they are needed. We are relying on ours and until adding Jokic into the mix, they weren't getting it done. Good players, but not the kind that will lead a team to greatness.

Long story to say young two way forwards at both slots would be ideal and of course, like so many teams, a shot-blocking backup center would be nice. Of course good draft picks are always a plus.

[GlenRiceARoni]

The nuggets have a good young core the real question is do you continue to let Mudiay try to work through his "growing agonies"? (pains doesn't seem like a strong enough word). If the answer is yes you blow it up because he's still a few years away from leading a competitive team even if he keeps developing.

If it was up to me I'd blow up the Chandler/Faried pairing, dumped nurkic and build a squad around Jokic instead of gunning for this 8 seed. I mean interest in the team and ticket sales are already awful.

That gives you time to figure out what you've got In Mudiay and Murray without sacrificing your draft capital.

Hernangomez looks as good as advertised. Barton is a nice bench player and Harris is one of the brightest young perimeter players in the league.

Personally I'd dump Gallo because of his injury history and the fact that he doesn't fit your time line very well but I can understand why they'd hang onto him.

People just don't realize how young this Denver team truly is.



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[NuggetsWY]

The nuggets have a good young core the real question is do you continue to let Mudiay try to work through his "growing agonies"? (pains doesn't seem like a strong enough word). If the answer is yes you blow it up because he's still a few years away from leading a competitive team even if he keeps developing.

If it was up to me I'd blow up the Chandler/Faried pairing, dumped nurkic and build a squad around Jokic instead of gunning for this 8 seed. I mean interest in the team and ticket sales are already awful.

That gives you time to figure out what you've got In Mudiay and Murray without sacrificing your draft capital.

Hernangomez looks as good as advertised. Barton is a nice bench player and Harris is one of the brightest young perimeter players in the league.

Personally I'd dump Gallo because of his injury history and the fact that he doesn't fit your time line very well but I can understand why they'd hang onto him.

People just don't realize how young this Denver team truly is.

There are a log of people that will agree with every bit of what you said.

Malone seems to love Mudiay at PG and we can't figure out why. By many statistical measurements, he comes near the bottom of the league. If he's not at PG, he sometimes plays next to Nelson who is probably Malone's favorite PG anyway. Mudiay's minutes are getting reduced rapidly.

Why not give Murray a shot? He's been a PG all of his life until Kentucky moved him over to play Ulis.

Many love Chandler but wouldn't object to trading him.
Many are sick of Gallinari for multiple reasons; holding the ball, lack of defense - but he does have skills.
We can't figure out why the front office signed Arthur to sit on the bench with a nice contract.
Why didn't we stash Beasley and Hernangomez?
Most are more than willing to trade Faried. He's high-energy and great attitude, even when not starting or playing much.
Many would like to keep Nurkic, but if Malone isn't going to play him - some say it's time to trade him.

Jokic - Harris - Murray looks to be the core. Beasley & Hernangomez are question marks yet. Barton is nice for SG/SF but he could be traded. Yuppers, like your ideas. Send them to the front office.

[psimanic1]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jd2poaa what do you guys think?

[The Rebel]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jd2poaa what do you guys think?

If TC does that deal he should be fired, Brewer is a terrible deal, and Harrel is basically a younger Faried.

[The Rebel]

I guess the question is what are your team needs and what other players would/should be included in any trade with him to help balance your roster? Is denver trying to make the playoffs this year?

Yes Denver is trying to make the playoffs this year, if they are looking for anything it is going to be a package deal bringing back a clear upgrade at PF or PG, or a Nurkic for a young high potential SF or likely lotto pick.

Anything from the Hawks interest you?

Not for me, some like Millsap but he is too old to fit with Jokic and our young guards.

[skywalker33]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jd2poaa what do you guys think?

Decker is the only piece I see as value, Harrell looks like another bench guy but may bring some toughness. Brewer is redundant with Barton. I see both Chandler and Nurkic being starter capable material, Chandler a 6MOTY candidate at worst....so I'd say not thanks.