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Re: Michael Porter Jr 

Post#421 » by The Rebel » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:28 am

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He's not out yet, the unofficial word is that his issue *could* jeopardize his season. However even if true, if Jamal is back and the rest of starters remain healthy they will still have a decent chance.

Most guys coming off of ACLs may come back in 8-12 months, most of them take a full 18 months before they get to their top level again.

Honestly at this point, if MPJ is out for the season, than I think we sit Jokic for any excuse we can and tank the season. Give some of the young guys all the minutes they can handle and see if we can't develop a quality bench for next season.


Young guys also need to learn to play with Jokic, this is not OKC or Detroit though. I don't think Jamal plans to sit out the entire season, we'll see I guess. And tbh, the first game without MPJ was vs Heat and the Nuggets dominated one of the best Eastern teams, they are perfectly capable playing without him if everybody else are in form.

Of course Murray is coming back this season, but anybody who expects him to be 100% is ignoring history. Best case scenario is that he is back to himself next season.

While we looked good 1 game, a lot of that has to do with the Heat not knowing what we were doing, Bones not in the scouting reports, and Jokic carrying this entire roster. You can easily have JOkic play 30 mpg for 2 1/2 months and still get a decent lotto pick which may be a huge deal if MPJ is truly having nerve pain in his back. I also think if we lose MPJ than Nnaji is the long term fit at PF for this team, Bones can grow into a true 6th man for next year, and we can see what we have in the other young guys. If this is a long term problem for MPJ than we have to get our production out of our draft picks, especially next year.
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Re: Michael Porter Jr 

Post#422 » by TunaFish » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:17 am

The Rebel wrote:
Richard Miller wrote:
The Rebel wrote:Most guys coming off of ACLs may come back in 8-12 months, most of them take a full 18 months before they get to their top level again.

Honestly at this point, if MPJ is out for the season, than I think we sit Jokic for any excuse we can and tank the season. Give some of the young guys all the minutes they can handle and see if we can't develop a quality bench for next season.


Young guys also need to learn to play with Jokic, this is not OKC or Detroit though. I don't think Jamal plans to sit out the entire season, we'll see I guess. And tbh, the first game without MPJ was vs Heat and the Nuggets dominated one of the best Eastern teams, they are perfectly capable playing without him if everybody else are in form.

Of course Murray is coming back this season, but anybody who expects him to be 100% is ignoring history. Best case scenario is that he is back to himself next season.

While we looked good 1 game, a lot of that has to do with the Heat not knowing what we were doing, Bones not in the scouting reports, and Jokic carrying this entire roster. You can easily have JOkic play 30 mpg for 2 1/2 months and still get a decent lotto pick which may be a huge deal if MPJ is truly having nerve pain in his back. I also think if we lose MPJ than Nnaji is the long term fit at PF for this team, Bones can grow into a true 6th man for next year, and we can see what we have in the other young guys. If this is a long term problem for MPJ than we have to get our production out of our draft picks, especially next year.


Injuries like MPJ's are difficult to predict. There is as much likelihood that after some rest, his disc will heal without surgical intervention as most herniated discs do. If an operation does occur, he will likely return to the same form he showed last season after recovering from the operation, its' not a muscle problem.

Worse case scenario, MPJ retires and the Nuggets gain salary relief.
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Re: Michael Porter Jr 

Post#423 » by The Rebel » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:46 pm

TunaFish wrote:
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Young guys also need to learn to play with Jokic, this is not OKC or Detroit though. I don't think Jamal plans to sit out the entire season, we'll see I guess. And tbh, the first game without MPJ was vs Heat and the Nuggets dominated one of the best Eastern teams, they are perfectly capable playing without him if everybody else are in form.

Of course Murray is coming back this season, but anybody who expects him to be 100% is ignoring history. Best case scenario is that he is back to himself next season.

While we looked good 1 game, a lot of that has to do with the Heat not knowing what we were doing, Bones not in the scouting reports, and Jokic carrying this entire roster. You can easily have JOkic play 30 mpg for 2 1/2 months and still get a decent lotto pick which may be a huge deal if MPJ is truly having nerve pain in his back. I also think if we lose MPJ than Nnaji is the long term fit at PF for this team, Bones can grow into a true 6th man for next year, and we can see what we have in the other young guys. If this is a long term problem for MPJ than we have to get our production out of our draft picks, especially next year.


Injuries like MPJ's are difficult to predict. There is as much likelihood that after some rest, his disc will heal without surgical intervention as most herniated discs do. If an operation does occur, he will likely return to the same form he showed last season after recovering from the operation, its' not a muscle problem.

Worse case scenario, MPJ retires and the Nuggets gain salary relief.


Where are you getting that it is a disc injury? Every thing I have read is that it is a nerve problem, nerve problems are hard to diagnose and even harder to find the cause/treat. I have a nerve issue since my accident almost 4 years ago, and they are still trying to track down the cause. I hope the guy is okay and that he can continue in his career, but this can be more serious than a herniated disc.

As for worse case scenario, I don't think you understand how much it hurts if MPJ is forced to medically retire. We don't have cap space either way for the foreseeable future. We have over $159 million committed to next season, the following year even without MPJ's deal Jokic's cap hold/deal will put us over the salary cap. We have to find a way to restock the roster and draft picks are what Connelly has been best at.
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Re: Michael Porter Jr 

Post#424 » by TunaFish » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:07 pm

The Rebel wrote:
TunaFish wrote:
The Rebel wrote:Of course Murray is coming back this season, but anybody who expects him to be 100% is ignoring history. Best case scenario is that he is back to himself next season.

While we looked good 1 game, a lot of that has to do with the Heat not knowing what we were doing, Bones not in the scouting reports, and Jokic carrying this entire roster. You can easily have JOkic play 30 mpg for 2 1/2 months and still get a decent lotto pick which may be a huge deal if MPJ is truly having nerve pain in his back. I also think if we lose MPJ than Nnaji is the long term fit at PF for this team, Bones can grow into a true 6th man for next year, and we can see what we have in the other young guys. If this is a long term problem for MPJ than we have to get our production out of our draft picks, especially next year.


Injuries like MPJ's are difficult to predict. There is as much likelihood that after some rest, his disc will heal without surgical intervention as most herniated discs do. If an operation does occur, he will likely return to the same form he showed last season after recovering from the operation, its' not a muscle problem.

Worse case scenario, MPJ retires and the Nuggets gain salary relief.


Where are you getting that it is a disc injury? Every thing I have read is that it is a nerve problem, nerve problems are hard to diagnose and even harder to find the cause/treat. I have a nerve issue since my accident almost 4 years ago, and they are still trying to track down the cause. I hope the guy is okay and that he can continue in his career, but this can be more serious than a herniated disc.

As for worse case scenario, I don't think you understand how much it hurts if MPJ is forced to medically retire. We don't have cap space either way for the foreseeable future. We have over $159 million committed to next season, the following year even without MPJ's deal Jokic's cap hold/deal will put us over the salary cap. We have to find a way to restock the roster and draft picks are what Connelly has been best at.


"Disc reherniation is the most common cause of reoperation after primary disc surgery and is defined as disc herniation occurring at the same level in a patient after a definite pain-free period of at least six months from initial surgery."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4922511/

It seems obvious that the nerve injury is related to his previous microdiscectomy surgery. There is likely scar tissue in that area somewhere near the spine and if they go back in they will have to assess damage to nerve endings as well as assess the original surgery. Hopefully, he does not have to have a new microdiscectomy but that is a possibility.

There is another possibility that the nerve is pinched in another area of the spine which is a different operation.

Too soon to know which way MPJ is going with this but it sounds like rest is not working.

While it is true that if MPJ is forced to retire we will not have cap space, we will also drop back below the tax threshold. For what it is worth, TC will have some room to maneuver. Perhaps we will have another player whose game explodes into a max player in the future.
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