[BREAKING]: Deshaun Watson Suspended 6 Games (NFL)

[anatomicbomb]

You mean the fact that 24 women sued him and he is settling?

Yep.

The same ones who swore it wasn't about money.

The guy is a freaking creep calling women on business matter and trying to have sex with them.

Nope.

There's a reason two separate grand juries chose to no-bill.


But go off.

it's largely because criminal proceedings are notoriously difficult for victims of sexual violence, regardless of whether the accused is wealthy. there was no reason for any of these women to subject themselves to being publicly shamed like this by pursuing a grand jury decision - if they were just looking for a payout then they would all have produced civil suits.

and should the victims not seek a settlement when that's the best option available to them? if they are, in fact, victims, should they just accept that the system does not work for them and pay for therapy from the wages of the job they possibly can no longer perform?

[RRyder823]

So the arbiter says herself that the NFL presented enough evidence to meet the standard for sexual assault but only hands out 6 games because it was "non violent" despite in her own words descibing sexual violence to describe what happened..........

Honestly the whole 16 page ruling is **** up and sounds like she had no idea what a proper punishment for that would be

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[JonFromVA]

So the arbiter says herself that the NFL presented enough evidence to meet the standard for sexual assault but only hands out 6 games because it was "non violent" despite in her own words descibing sexual violence to describe what happened..........

Honestly the whole 16 page ruling is **** up and sounds like she had no idea what a proper punishment for that would be

She states multiple times that Watson's actions cannot be deemed violent or judged as violent, what'd you see that said otherwise?

Inspite of that she chose to punish Watson with the same 6 game suspension that would have been handed out to a first time violent offender to demonstrate how egregious/unique she believes his behavior was.

I imagine if the NFL appeals, the player's union will push back hard on that point as well as the precedent of how owner's have been disciplined.

[HiDef]

Ok, I did my own 5 minute exploration of this when I first heard about this case and given I don't personally live in this world, I thought I'd bring it up for you guys to consider.

But here's the deal:

The first thing which seemed strange to me about the case was that these women were all hired via Instagram. Maybe that's common, I don't know ... but I'd probably personally first get a recommendation from the team and then maybe go look at google maps or something.

From what I can gather Craigslist was "the place" to hook up for prostitute's posing as massage therapists. The two sides agree on a price, proceed with the massage, and then end up having "consensual" sex/act by the end of the session.

Craigslist got tired of being exploited as a sex market and somehow managed to shut all this activity down.

Apparently all this "business" moved to Instagram.

I suspect Watson had it in his mind he was going to get a massage and likely something more with a woman he found attractive all while protected by an NDA to (in theory) spare him any embarrassment. And that's why his lawyer slipped up and mentioned "happy endings".

Here's a different theory... Almost every entrepreneur in the country uses social media to advertise their business. Especially anyone whose business involves getting clients (hair stylist, nail salon, personal trainer..)

If Watson wanted to assault these women or get sex from them why would he ever use somebody from the team? Or somebody who has a professional reputation? Or somebody who is financially secure, and wouldn't be worried about losing money if they said no?

If this is all some 'misunderstanding,' you would think maybe, he would learn after doing it over and over and over, and apologizing to these women over texts, and being dropped as a client?

His lawyer did not "slip up" by saying that

[BallerTalk]

Spoiler:

You mean the fact that 24 women sued him and he is settling?

Yep.

The same ones who swore it wasn't about money.

The guy is a freaking creep calling women on business matter and trying to have sex with them.

Nope.

There's a reason two separate grand juries chose to no-bill.


But go off.

it's largely because criminal proceedings are notoriously difficult for victims of sexual violence, regardless of whether the accused is wealthy. there was no reason for any of these women to subject themselves to being publicly shamed like this by pursuing a grand jury decision - if they were just looking for a payout then they would all have produced civil suits.

and should the victims not seek a settlement when that's the best option available to them? if they are, in fact, victims, should they just accept that the system does not work for them and pay for therapy from the wages of the job they possibly can no longer perform?

I addressed this earlier in this thread but the overwhelming majority of sexual assault cases that make it to the grand jury stage result in indictments, particularly in Harris county. Once it reaches that stage the process is essentially perfunctory because the standard of proof for indictment is merely "probable cause".

My comment about the settlement was in response to the quoted posters suggesting that the settlement was an indication of guilt.

If I may ask, what public shaming were you referring to in your comment?
Considering that the accusers names weren't public unless they individually chose to make it known and the grand jury process in Harris county (not certain about Brazoria) is completely private.

[JujitsuFlip]

So the arbiter says herself that the NFL presented enough evidence to meet the standard for sexual assault but only hands out 6 games because it was "non violent" despite in her own words descibing sexual violence to describe what happened..........

Honestly the whole 16 page ruling is **** up and sounds like she had no idea what a proper punishment for that would be

She states multiple times that Watson's actions cannot be deemed violent or judged as violent, what'd you see that said otherwise?

Inspite of that she chose to punish Watson with the same 6 game suspension that would have been handed out to a first time violent offender to demonstrate how egregious/unique she believes his behavior was.

I imagine if the NFL appeals, the player's union will push back hard on that point as well as the precedent of how owner's have been disciplined.

Considering Roger Goodell is the one hearing the appeal, not sure how well that will go over.

[Quattro]

Meanwhile Josh Gordon gets suspended for 25 games for smoking weed and drinking alcohol. Ass backwards league.

Anyway here’s hoping the Browns suck forever.

Gordon's problem was that he couldn't correct his behavior ... tbd about Watson.

That might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read here. He did it to THIRTY women. I think he’s already had multiple attempts to “correct his behaviour”.

[Duffman100]

Meanwhile Josh Gordon gets suspended for 25 games for smoking weed and drinking alcohol. Ass backwards league.

Anyway here’s hoping the Browns suck forever.

Gordon's problem was that he couldn't correct his behavior ... tbd about Watson.

That might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read here. He did it to THIRTY women. I think he’s already had multiple attempts to “correct his behaviour”.

All 30 women are lying. Duh.

Apparently it's more likely that 30 women are lying than one guy is a creep.

[JonFromVA]

So the arbiter says herself that the NFL presented enough evidence to meet the standard for sexual assault but only hands out 6 games because it was "non violent" despite in her own words descibing sexual violence to describe what happened..........

Honestly the whole 16 page ruling is **** up and sounds like she had no idea what a proper punishment for that would be

She states multiple times that Watson's actions cannot be deemed violent or judged as violent, what'd you see that said otherwise?

Inspite of that she chose to punish Watson with the same 6 game suspension that would have been handed out to a first time violent offender to demonstrate how egregious/unique she believes his behavior was.

I imagine if the NFL appeals, the player's union will push back hard on that point as well as the precedent of how owner's have been disciplined.

Considering Roger Goodell is the one hearing the appeal, not sure how well that will go over.

Huge risk of alienating the player's union by stepping in and over-ruling the independent arbitrator.

Might just end up in an actual court, so if they appeal I'd expect the NFL to attempt something more discrete than handing it to Goodell.

Would make sense for them to just appeal to Judge Robinson if they think she missed something.

[JonFromVA]

Gordon's problem was that he couldn't correct his behavior ... tbd about Watson.

That might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read here. He did it to THIRTY women. I think he’s already had multiple attempts to “correct his behaviour”.

All 30 women are lying. Duh.

Apparently it's more likely that 30 women are lying than one guy is a creep.

Don't be dense, this is the first time the NFL has accused him of wrongdoing, and if anyone had done something earlier he never would have gotten up to 24+.

Part of the problem is these guys are so entitled they're used to getting whatever they want. The other part is that sex workers flocking to Instagram is likely causing a lot of uncomfortable moments for legit therapists.

[RRyder823]

She states multiple times that Watson's actions cannot be deemed violent or judged as violent, what'd you see that said otherwise?

Inspite of that she chose to punish Watson with the same 6 game suspension that would have been handed out to a first time violent offender to demonstrate how egregious/unique she believes his behavior was.

I imagine if the NFL appeals, the player's union will push back hard on that point as well as the precedent of how owner's have been disciplined.

Considering Roger Goodell is the one hearing the appeal, not sure how well that will go over.

Huge risk of alienating the player's union by stepping in and over-ruling the independent arbitrator.

Might just end up in an actual court, so if they appeal I'd expect the NFL to attempt something more discrete than handing it to Goodell.

Would make sense for them to just appeal to Judge Robinson if they think she missed something.

Yeah uhmmm they don't care two **** about that.



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[HiDef]

That might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read here. He did it to THIRTY women. I think he’s already had multiple attempts to “correct his behaviour”.

All 30 women are lying. Duh.

Apparently it's more likely that 30 women are lying than one guy is a creep.

Don't be dense, this is the first time the NFL has accused him of wrongdoing, and if anyone had done something earlier he never would have gotten up to 24+.

Part of the problem is these guys are so entitled they're used to getting whatever they want. The other part is that sex workers flocking to Instagram is likely causing a lot of uncomfortable moments for legit therapists.

So if a bunch of these women are actually prostitutes. and Watson is just an entitled guy looking for a happy ending.

Why did he need to see 60 massage therapists to get what he wanted?

He’s a sexual predator. He probably, most likely enjoyed doing it repeatedly and to people who didn't want to do it.


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Edit: In the decision they said Watson never asked about the women's credentials. you can read that as "watson was just trying to get off and didn't care" or whatever. You can also read it as "watson didn't give a **** if they were actually just qualified masseuses who weren't willing to do what he wanted." It's basically a smoking gun that he was probably going to force himself on them either way.

[JujitsuFlip]

She states multiple times that Watson's actions cannot be deemed violent or judged as violent, what'd you see that said otherwise?

Inspite of that she chose to punish Watson with the same 6 game suspension that would have been handed out to a first time violent offender to demonstrate how egregious/unique she believes his behavior was.

I imagine if the NFL appeals, the player's union will push back hard on that point as well as the precedent of how owner's have been disciplined.

Considering Roger Goodell is the one hearing the appeal, not sure how well that will go over.

Huge risk of alienating the player's union by stepping in and over-ruling the independent arbitrator.

Might just end up in an actual court, so if they appeal I'd expect the NFL to attempt something more discrete than handing it to Goodell.

Would make sense for them to just appeal to Judge Robinson if they think she missed something.

No, I'm saying that is legit the process. If the NFL appeals the retired judges recommendation, it goes to Goodell.

"Although the new collective bargaining agreement took away Goodell's power to hand out a punishment, he didn't really lose very much power since he's the one who oversees the appeal process".

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watsons-suspension-drama-might-not-be-over-qbs-ban-could-get-lengthened-if-nfl-decides-to-appeal/

Also, Brady, Rice, and Peterson all ended up in actual court over suspensions/length of suspensions.

[JonFromVA]

All 30 women are lying. Duh.

Apparently it's more likely that 30 women are lying than one guy is a creep.

Don't be dense, this is the first time the NFL has accused him of wrongdoing, and if anyone had done something earlier he never would have gotten up to 24+.

Part of the problem is these guys are so entitled they're used to getting whatever they want. The other part is that sex workers flocking to Instagram is likely causing a lot of uncomfortable moments for legit therapists.

So if a bunch of these women are actually prostitutes. and Watson is just an entitled guy looking for a happy ending.

Why did he need to see 60 massage therapists to get what he wanted?

He’s a sexual predator. He probably, most likely enjoyed doing it repeatedly and to people who didn't want to do it.


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Edit: In the decision they said Watson never asked about the women's credentials. you can read that as "watson was just trying to get off and didn't care" or whatever. You can also read it as "watson didn't give a **** if they were actually just qualified masseuses who weren't willing to do what he wanted." It's basically a smoking gun that he was probably going to force himself on them either way.

Why did Wilt sleep with 20,000 woman?

Because he's a sexual predator?

Because he's a sex addict?

Because he could?

You can complicate things if you want. You may be right, but the simple answer might be "because he could".

Also I admit I'm naive about this stuff so anyone feel free to educate me, but I know how to search the web and you don't have to go far to read comments like this "A lady did extensive research traveling all over country to see what percentage of massages she could get more than a standard massage and her rate was at 50%.".

[JonFromVA]

Considering Roger Goodell is the one hearing the appeal, not sure how well that will go over.

Huge risk of alienating the player's union by stepping in and over-ruling the independent arbitrator.

Might just end up in an actual court, so if they appeal I'd expect the NFL to attempt something more discrete than handing it to Goodell.

Would make sense for them to just appeal to Judge Robinson if they think she missed something.

No, I'm saying that is legit the process. If the NFL appeals the retired judges recommendation, it goes to Goodell.

"Although the new collective bargaining agreement took away Goodell's power to hand out a punishment, he didn't really lose very much power since he's the one who oversees the appeal process".

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watsons-suspension-drama-might-not-be-over-qbs-ban-could-get-lengthened-if-nfl-decides-to-appeal/

Also, Brady, Rice, and Peterson all ended up in actual court over suspensions/length of suspensions.

There's a nuance there between overseeing the appeal process and being the adjudicator of the appeal process.

[Yacky]

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So much wrong with this. An arbitrator agreed to by both the league and the players' association recommended the 6 game suspension, this isn't the league's ruling. Also, the recommendation is based on the 5 cases submitted to the arbitrator, not the 20+ total we've heard about. Stupid tweet.

Because sexually assaulting 5 women is better than sexually assaulting 20+, right?

[JujitsuFlip]

Huge risk of alienating the player's union by stepping in and over-ruling the independent arbitrator.

Might just end up in an actual court, so if they appeal I'd expect the NFL to attempt something more discrete than handing it to Goodell.

Would make sense for them to just appeal to Judge Robinson if they think she missed something.

No, I'm saying that is legit the process. If the NFL appeals the retired judges recommendation, it goes to Goodell.

"Although the new collective bargaining agreement took away Goodell's power to hand out a punishment, he didn't really lose very much power since he's the one who oversees the appeal process".

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watsons-suspension-drama-might-not-be-over-qbs-ban-could-get-lengthened-if-nfl-decides-to-appeal/

Also, Brady, Rice, and Peterson all ended up in actual court over suspensions/length of suspensions.

There's a nuance there between overseeing the appeal process and being the adjudicator of the appeal process.

Nope, no nuance, from the article, "If the NFL decides to appeal, it will create a new layer of drama and that's because the appeal would be heard by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell ".

[JonFromVA]

No, I'm saying that is legit the process. If the NFL appeals the retired judges recommendation, it goes to Goodell.

"Although the new collective bargaining agreement took away Goodell's power to hand out a punishment, he didn't really lose very much power since he's the one who oversees the appeal process".

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watsons-suspension-drama-might-not-be-over-qbs-ban-could-get-lengthened-if-nfl-decides-to-appeal/

Also, Brady, Rice, and Peterson all ended up in actual court over suspensions/length of suspensions.

There's a nuance there between overseeing the appeal process and being the adjudicator of the appeal process.

Nope, no nuance, from the article, "If the NFL decides to appeal, it will create a new layer of drama and that's because the appeal would be heard by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell ".

Uhhh ... the actual quote from the article you linked was this:

"If the NFL decides to appeal, it will create a new layer of drama and that's because the appeal would be heard by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell or someone he designates. "

[JujitsuFlip]

There's a nuance there between overseeing the appeal process and being the adjudicator of the appeal process.

Nope, no nuance, from the article, "If the NFL decides to appeal, it will create a new layer of drama and that's because the appeal would be heard by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell ".

Uhhh ... the actual quote from the article you linked was this:

"If the NFL decides to appeal, it will create a new layer of drama and that's because the appeal would be heard by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell or someone he designates. "

Yeah, it's gonna be Roger Goodell lol

[JonFromVA]

Nope, no nuance, from the article, "If the NFL decides to appeal, it will create a new layer of drama and that's because the appeal would be heard by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell ".

Uhhh ... the actual quote from the article you linked was this:

"If the NFL decides to appeal, it will create a new layer of drama and that's because the appeal would be heard by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell or someone he designates. "

Yeah, it's gonna be Roger Goodell lol

And unless he plans to agree with the player's union, that would be a really piss poor move because the player's union would just take the NFL to court again, but this time they'd have the on record opinion of a retired judge supporting them.

If the NFL wants to appeal, they really need to take it back to Judge Robinson and try to convince her she missed something.