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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#301 » by El Turco » Thu Sep 8, 2016 6:52 pm

bleu wrote:I just looked, and I do not believe there is a way to change the waiver order to reverse draft order. It's currently set to reset each week in reverse order of standings, and the only other option is move to last after claim


pretty sure if you switch it to move to last it will set it up as reverse of draft. reverse of standing is pretty bad idea.
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#302 » by MrMiyagi » Thu Sep 8, 2016 8:32 pm

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Zero Tolerance wrote:I PM'd this to Bdubs, but thought I might get more opinions here... lil help guys?

Someone in my office league offered me Eddie Lacy for Amari Cooper. Here is my team...

Marcus Mariota - QB
A.J. Green - WR
Amari Cooper - WR
Kelvin Benjamin - WR
Lamar Miller - RB
Darren Sproles - RB
Greg Olsen - TE
John Brown - FLEX
Matt Prater - K
Arizona - DEF
J.J. Watt - DEFP

Bench:
Torrey Smith SF - WR
Vance McDonald SF - TE
James Starks GB - RB
Ryan Tannehill Mia - QB

Is Lacy worth the risk of trading Cooper? I think its good value for me, but I am hesitant to pull the trigger even though I have Starks for the handcuff.


I personally wouldn't do it. IMO, Lacy is a high-risk, medium-reward player. Amari Cooper is a guarantee. With a sweetener it may be worth it, but straight up I would decline.


I don't like Lacy THAT much either, but he is back in shape, he has Starks who backs him up, and you really don't want to start Sproles. While Cooper may get more points, he has Green, Benjamin and Brown which is more than enough good receivers. I'd start Lacy and Miller, perhaps put Sproles in flex, and look for sleeper receivers. There are tons of good ones on most regular league's FA list. There is just too little depth on that team at RB, and good depth at WR.

Maybe counter with adding Sproles into the deal (since he is losing a RB) and taking back a WR from him that would be a good flex or bench WR. That's probably the ideal way to do it.

Every year RBs tend to be the least predictable position. I mean, I drafted Gurley 2nd overall in both leagues I'm in and that's only because he has a shot at being the leading non-QB. I don't think Lacy is going to score as well as Cooper, given Green Bay likes to throw the ball and Jordy Nelson is back. I'd personally run with the 4 wide outs you've got. Sproles is essentially the flex given Brown is a 1000 yard receiver and will probably have 6 touchdowns.
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Post#303 » by bleu » Thu Sep 8, 2016 8:34 pm

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bleu wrote:I just looked, and I do not believe there is a way to change the waiver order to reverse draft order. It's currently set to reset each week in reverse order of standings, and the only other option is move to last after claim


pretty sure if you switch it to move to last it will set it up as reverse of draft. reverse of standing is pretty bad idea.


Alright, done. Thanks for the heads up
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#304 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Sep 8, 2016 8:40 pm

Zero Tolerance wrote:I PM'd this to Bdubs, but thought I might get more opinions here... lil help guys?

Someone in my office league offered me Eddie Lacy for Amari Cooper. Here is my team...

Marcus Mariota - QB
A.J. Green - WR
Amari Cooper - WR
Kelvin Benjamin - WR
Lamar Miller - RB
Darren Sproles - RB
Greg Olsen - TE
John Brown - FLEX
Matt Prater - K
Arizona - DEF
J.J. Watt - DEFP

Bench:
Torrey Smith SF - WR
Vance McDonald SF - TE
James Starks GB - RB
Ryan Tannehill Mia - QB

Is Lacy worth the risk of trading Cooper? I think its good value for me, but I am hesitant to pull the trigger even though I have Starks for the handcuff.

Absolutely not. Keep Cooper.
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#305 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 8, 2016 8:41 pm

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I personally wouldn't do it. IMO, Lacy is a high-risk, medium-reward player. Amari Cooper is a guarantee. With a sweetener it may be worth it, but straight up I would decline.


I don't like Lacy THAT much either, but he is back in shape, he has Starks who backs him up, and you really don't want to start Sproles. While Cooper may get more points, he has Green, Benjamin and Brown which is more than enough good receivers. I'd start Lacy and Miller, perhaps put Sproles in flex, and look for sleeper receivers. There are tons of good ones on most regular league's FA list. There is just too little depth on that team at RB, and good depth at WR.

Maybe counter with adding Sproles into the deal (since he is losing a RB) and taking back a WR from him that would be a good flex or bench WR. That's probably the ideal way to do it.

Every year RBs tend to be the least predictable position. I mean, I drafted Gurley 2nd overall in both leagues I'm in and that's only because he has a shot at being the leading non-QB. I don't think Lacy is going to score as well as Cooper, given Green Bay likes to throw the ball and Jordy Nelson is back. I'd personally run with the 4 wide outs you've got. Sproles is essentially the flex given Brown is a 1000 yard receiver and will probably have 6 touchdowns.


What happens when Lamar Miller has a bye or if he gets injured? He's absolutely screwed. WRs are a dime a dozen. There are always a bunch of breakout WRs on the waiver wire...on occasion RBs, but that's what people will be watching for. I'd go with 4 wideouts two. I think you need 3 starting RBs and right now he only has 1. I bet there are at least 10 starting WRs on the free agent list.
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#306 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 8, 2016 8:42 pm

I appear to be outnumbered here. Good luck!
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Post#307 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Sep 8, 2016 8:45 pm

Lacy for Cooper. No way. Not even a fair trade. He's had 2 weeks to pick up Spencer Ware and Michael off the waiver wire. Its his own fault he is weak at RB.
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#308 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 8, 2016 8:51 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Lacy for Cooper. No way. Not even a fair trade. He's had 2 weeks to pick up Spencer Ware and Michael off the waiver wire. Its his own fault he is weak at RB.


Dude, ESPN has Lacy rated 9 spots HIGHER in their overall rankings. It's not just him REALLY NEEDING A rb, Lacy is 20th overall in relation to Cooper at 29th. http://www.espn.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/16287927/2016-fantasy-football-rankings-fantasy-football-player-rankings-top-fantasy-football-players-fantasy-football-draft
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#309 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 8, 2016 8:54 pm

bleu wrote:I just looked, and I do not believe there is a way to change the waiver order to reverse draft order. It's currently set to reset each week in reverse order of standings, and the only other option is move to last after claim


Oh yeah, it has to be reverse order of standings. Obviously you can't change that or you could put yourself first every time. This year it was better to have the last pick than the first anyway imo.
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#310 » by MrMiyagi » Thu Sep 8, 2016 9:07 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Lacy for Cooper. No way. Not even a fair trade. He's had 2 weeks to pick up Spencer Ware and Michael off the waiver wire. Its his own fault he is weak at RB.


Dude, ESPN has Lacy rated 9 spots HIGHER in their overall rankings. It's not just him REALLY NEEDING A rb, Lacy is 20th overall in relation to Cooper at 29th. http://www.espn.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/16287927/2016-fantasy-football-rankings-fantasy-football-player-rankings-top-fantasy-football-players-fantasy-football-draft

I think Lacy's best cast scenario is Mark Ingram from last season, ~800 yards and 7 TDs. He'll likely get 700 and 5
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#311 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 8, 2016 9:12 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Lacy for Cooper. No way. Not even a fair trade. He's had 2 weeks to pick up Spencer Ware and Michael off the waiver wire. Its his own fault he is weak at RB.


Dude, ESPN has Lacy rated 9 spots HIGHER in their overall rankings. It's not just him REALLY NEEDING A rb, Lacy is 20th overall in relation to Cooper at 29th. http://www.espn.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/16287927/2016-fantasy-football-rankings-fantasy-football-player-rankings-top-fantasy-football-players-fantasy-football-draft

I think Lacy's best cast scenario is Mark Ingram from last season, ~800 yards and 7 TDs. He'll likely get 700 and 5


I think Green Bay's offense will be pretty good, and they'll move the ball a lot, and with him finally being back in shape, he will have lots of opportunities to score. But I'd almost always take a starting RB on a really good offense over a WR on a pretty good offense. I think Cooper has more potential and upside, but Lacy is a safer bet to get you a pretty solid # every week, especially when compared to someone like Sproles, who will give you a bunch of low scores and then a nice score on occasion. That hole in my lineup would be my primary concern here, not really trying to straight up compare Cooper to Lacy. Cooper could very well do better, but Lacy + other WR is better than Cooper + Sproles even if Cooper outperforms Lacy.
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#312 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Sep 8, 2016 9:14 pm

I have the 2nd pick coming up, who do I take?
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#313 » by El Turco » Thu Sep 8, 2016 9:23 pm

i am actually with bw here, i am pretty high on cooper but having sproles as your rb2 is terrible. even without cooper he has solid wr group.
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#314 » by MrMiyagi » Thu Sep 8, 2016 10:34 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:I have the 2nd pick coming up, who do I take?

Hope aboard the Gurley hype train. Julio Jones and Ezekial Elliot were the other two I was considering at 2, but I just couldn't pull the trigger that high on a rookie, no matter how good his situation seems. I got burned on Melvin Gordon last season, and that was in round 4 or 5.
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Post#315 » by MrMiyagi » Thu Sep 8, 2016 10:38 pm

Arda K wrote:i am actually with bw here, i am pretty high on cooper but having sproles as your rb2 is terrible. even without cooper he has solid wr group.

It's a matter of whether you think Lacy will rush for 1000 yards this season and get more than 6 touchdowns. Cooper had a bit of an up and down year last season and got those numbers. I'd take 4 1000 yard receivers with at least 6 touchdowns each than swapping one for a 700 yard 5 touchdown back. Sproles is basically his flex as John Brown is easily a starting receiver. He'll have one week without Lamar Miller, but it'll be fine overall. At the very least he should counter to get more back.
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Post#316 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 8, 2016 10:41 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:I have the 2nd pick coming up, who do I take?


I guess it depends on whether you want a premier RB or a premier WR. I take a premier RB whether at 1 or 10. There are about 6 of them, so if you want RB, any of those guys, except since Bell is out for 2 weeks I pass on him and go with Gurley, Elliott, Johnson or Peterson. Freeman could be in there with those guys too, but the first four are sure things. Or you can go Antonio Brown or Beckam if either are there...or Jones I guess if you want a WR.
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Post#317 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Sep 8, 2016 10:43 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:I have the 2nd pick coming up, who do I take?

Hope aboard the Gurley hype train. Julio Jones and Ezekial Elliot were the other two I was considering at 2, but I just couldn't pull the trigger that high on a rookie, no matter how good his situation seems. I got burned on Melvin Gordon last season, and that was in round 4 or 5.

Too late. I ended up taking Odell.

My roster is...

QB: Big Ben
RB's: L.Bell, M.Ingram, C.Anderson, L.Murray, D. Williams
WR's: Odell, K. Allen, Baldwin, Floyd, Lockett
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Post#318 » by MrMiyagi » Thu Sep 8, 2016 10:49 pm

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MrMiyagi wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:I have the 2nd pick coming up, who do I take?

Hope aboard the Gurley hype train. Julio Jones and Ezekial Elliot were the other two I was considering at 2, but I just couldn't pull the trigger that high on a rookie, no matter how good his situation seems. I got burned on Melvin Gordon last season, and that was in round 4 or 5.

Too late. I ended up taking Odell.

My roster is...

QB: Big Ben
RB's: L.Bell, M.Ingram, C.Anderson, L.Murray, D. Williams
WR's: Odell, K. Allen, Baldwin, Floyd, Lockett
TE: Gates

What was it, an 8 person draft?
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Post#319 » by bwgood77 » Thu Sep 8, 2016 10:49 pm

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Arda K wrote:i am actually with bw here, i am pretty high on cooper but having sproles as your rb2 is terrible. even without cooper he has solid wr group.

It's a matter of whether you think Lacy will rush for 1000 yards this season and get more than 6 touchdowns. Cooper had a bit of an up and down year last season and got those numbers. I'd take 4 1000 yard receivers with at least 6 touchdowns each than swapping one for a 700 yard 5 touchdown back. Sproles is basically his flex as John Brown is easily a starting receiver. He'll have one week without Lamar Miller, but it'll be fine overall. At the very least he should counter to get more back.


Well in the two years prior to last year he rushed for over 1,100 yards, and had 11 and 9 tds (in the 9 td rushing year, he also had 4 receiving tds). Out of shape last year, he rushed for 750 yards with 3 tds, and had about 200 yards receiving with 2 more tds. I expect him to be quite a big better than last years total 950 yards and 5 tds in a very down year.

2013 Rushing 1178, 11, Receiving 257 (total 1,435 total yards, 11 tds)
2014 Rushing 1,139, 9, Receiving 427, 4 (that's 1566 total yards and 13 tds)
Fat 2015 Rushing 758, 3, Receiving 188, 2 (total 946, 5 in down year)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15848/eddie-lacy

There are articles all over the place saying he looks so much different back in shape.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=eddie%20lacy%20in%20shape
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Re: Real GM Fantasy Football League - Week one projections and spreads up 

Post#320 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Sep 8, 2016 10:49 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Hope aboard the Gurley hype train. Julio Jones and Ezekial Elliot were the other two I was considering at 2, but I just couldn't pull the trigger that high on a rookie, no matter how good his situation seems. I got burned on Melvin Gordon last season, and that was in round 4 or 5.

Too late. I ended up taking Odell.

My roster is...

QB: Big Ben
RB's: L.Bell, M.Ingram, C.Anderson, L.Murray, D. Williams
WR's: Odell, K. Allen, Baldwin, Floyd, Lockett
TE: Gates

What was it, an 8 person draft?

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