who could/would sign greg monroe to a max-level deal?

[Clarity]

Highly unlikely. Never trade big for small, that's elementary GM school. I promise I'll apologize if I'm wrong.

See, on point!

[Spider156]

I don't believe anybody will offer him the max. You don't pay a big man that can't shoot the mid range let alone the 3 a max contract. It's just a bad investment and he won't get you anywhere far. He's not a leader. I say trade him for a small forward. If we can get a PG for him, do it! We already have our big of the future and he doesn't need Monroe to clog up the paint anyway. I think Monroe is overrated and we can get a lot of talent back for him. Sign and trade!

[Neptune]

Highly unlikely. Never trade big for small, that's elementary GM school. I promise I'll apologize if I'm wrong.

See, on point!

I appreciate that. But back on the Moose topic, unless a team gets desperate, Moose isn't getting the max. The Blazers got desperate maxed out a 7'2 defensive juggernaut like Hibbert to please Aldridge, the Warriors didn't get desperate but they offered Jordan a big deal. I see the same happening with Monroe. Monroe's slow, he's a bad help defender, and his hands are iffy(iffy means sometimes good, sometimes bad). 4yrs/50mil is perfect for Moose. Favors got 48mil, Sanders got 44mil, and Cousins got 62mil, Moose fits right in the middle.

[Clarity]

I appreciate that. But back on the Moose topic, unless a team gets desperate, Moose isn't getting the max. The Blazers got desperate maxed out a 7'2 defensive juggernaut like Hibbert to please Aldridge, the Warriors didn't get desperate but they offered Jordan a big deal. I see the same happening with Monroe. Monroe's slow, he's a bad help defender, and his hands are iffy(iffy means sometimes good, sometimes bad). 4yrs/50mil is perfect for Moose. Favors got 48mil, Sanders got 44mil, and Cousins got 62mil, Moose fits right in the middle.

He is a 23 year old highly skilled offensive player. He averages 17 & 10 on a crappy team as the 2nd/3rd option. He is easily a 20/10 All Star on the Wizards for instance. The market determines your value, the market clearly says a 17 & 10 per game, 23 year old 7 footer is a max player.

Monroe's defense is below average otherwise the hands things & athleticism is more so a Pistons forum overreaction. The athleticism thing was never brought up until guys were spoiled by Drummond. Z Bo, Hibbert etc all have little lateral quickness etc. Moose is actually outstanding athletically both running the break & beating his man off the dribble in the high post.

& be clear, im not debating what he is worth, thats an opinion thing & not at all how FA works. I'm talking about how FA works.

[The Penguin]

Highly unlikely. Never trade big for small, that's elementary GM school. I promise I'll apologize if I'm wrong.

See, on point!

I appreciate that. But back on the Moose topic, unless a team gets desperate, Moose isn't getting the max. The Blazers got desperate maxed out a 7'2 defensive juggernaut like Hibbert to please Aldridge, the Warriors didn't get desperate but they offered Jordan a big deal. I see the same happening with Monroe. Monroe's slow, he's a bad help defender, and his hands are iffy(iffy means sometimes good, sometimes bad). 4yrs/50mil is perfect for Moose. Favors got 48mil, Sanders got 44mil, and Cousins got 62mil, Moose fits right in the middle.

Monroe is easily a top 10 available FA, potentially even a top 5 one. Someone will give him a max offer sheet because he's a 23 year old 7 footer whose proven himself to be a starter in the league. Had Dumars signed him before the year then we could base off of Favors and Sanders. Our hands are tied now, Monroe has no reason to give us a discount and someone will offer max knowing that's their only chance of getting him.

Eric Gordon got a max contract offer after playing only 9 games in a season. Asik was a backup and his cap number is $14.8 mil next year. 4 yrs/$56 mil is not unrealistic at all. As soon as you let a RFA hit the open market a value deal is dead.

[Neptune]

@Clarity and @Piston Prince: Good points from both of you guys. You guys know I hand out And 1's like candy.

I still don't see Monroe getting max money though, maybe close to max money. I'm a fan of Monroe too and I hope he gets a big deal. But just like Spider said, that wouldn't be a good investment. Monroe really isn't a max player, but RFA's always seem to get over-paid. Talented big's are hot commodities now-a-days so lets see what happens.

[sc8581]

I appreciate that. But back on the Moose topic, unless a team gets desperate, Moose isn't getting the max. The Blazers got desperate maxed out a 7'2 defensive juggernaut like Hibbert to please Aldridge, the Warriors didn't get desperate but they offered Jordan a big deal. I see the same happening with Monroe. Monroe's slow, he's a bad help defender, and his hands are iffy(iffy means sometimes good, sometimes bad). 4yrs/50mil is perfect for Moose. Favors got 48mil, Sanders got 44mil, and Cousins got 62mil, Moose fits right in the middle.

He is a 23 year old highly skilled offensive player. He averages 17 & 10 on a crappy team as the 2nd/3rd option. He is easily a 20/10 All Star on the Wizards for instance. The market determines your value, the market clearly says a 17 & 10 per game, 23 year old 7 footer is a max player.

Monroe's defense is below average otherwise the hands things & athleticism is more so a Pistons forum overreaction. The athleticism thing was never brought up until guys were spoiled by Drummond. Z Bo, Hibbert etc all have little lateral quickness etc. Moose is actually outstanding athletically both running the break & beating his man off the dribble in the high post.

& be clear, im not debating what he is worth, thats an opinion thing & not at all how FA works. I'm talking about how FA works.

You know I've said it before, if we max him out to be our starting center of the future and then mold the team correctly beginning with trading Drummond for a stud perimeter player, fine, but I do not want to pay him more than like $9-10M per to be our starting PF. He's worth the max to teams that need a center, not to us which is why we should have traded him at the deadline.

[Clarity]

You know I've said it before, if we max him out to be our starting center of the future and then mold the team correctly beginning with trading Drummond for a stud perimeter player, fine, but I do not want to pay him more than like $9-10M per to be our starting PF. He's worth the max to teams that need a center, not to us which is why we should have traded him at the deadline.

Your opinion is he isnt a PF, well he is going to be paid as a skilled 7 footer, not as a position. However while he is clearly capable of playing PF contrary to your belief, its not debatable that he is better as a C, that is his natural position 4 years in.

However its not about PF/C as I just said, & for us we dont have a better option at PF. If we let go of a dude as skilled as Monroe at 23 we deserve 09-14 all over again. That would be the height of front office failure.

Max Ben Gordon, sign Charlie V, Sign Jennings, near Max Josh Smith, let Greg Monroe walk. That would be a run of incompetence that I doubt could be touched.

@Clarity and @Piston Prince: Good points from both of you guys. You guys know I hand out And 1's like candy.

I still don't see Monroe getting max money though, maybe close to max money. I'm a fan of Monroe too and I hope he gets a big deal. But just like Spider said, that wouldn't be a good investment. Monroe really isn't a max player, but RFA's always seem to get over-paid. Talented big's are hot commodities now-a-days so lets see what happens.

Again, not about what our own opinions of what he is worth is.

Thats not how FA works.

[kurtis48239]

We should have traded him earlier in the year,now were either stuck paying him or letting him go for pennies on the dollar.

[sc8581]

You know I've said it before, if we max him out to be our starting center of the future and then mold the team correctly beginning with trading Drummond for a stud perimeter player, fine, but I do not want to pay him more than like $9-10M per to be our starting PF. He's worth the max to teams that need a center, not to us which is why we should have traded him at the deadline.

Your opinion is he isnt a PF, well he is going to be paid as a skilled 7 footer, not as a position. However while he is clearly capable of playing PF contrary to your belief, its not debatable that he is better as a C, that is his natural position 4 years in.

However its not about PF/C as I just said, & for us we dont have a better option at PF. If we let go of a dude as skilled as Monroe at 23 we deserve 09-14 all over again. That would be the height of front office failure.

Max Ben Gordon, sign Charlie V, Sign Jennings, near Max Josh Smith, let Greg Monroe walk. That would be a run of incompetence that I doubt could be touched.

@Clarity and @Piston Prince: Good points from both of you guys. You guys know I hand out And 1's like candy.

I still don't see Monroe getting max money though, maybe close to max money. I'm a fan of Monroe too and I hope he gets a big deal. But just like Spider said, that wouldn't be a good investment. Monroe really isn't a max player, but RFA's always seem to get over-paid. Talented big's are hot commodities now-a-days so lets see what happens.

Again, not about what our own opinions of what he is worth is.

Thats not how FA works.

Which is why we should have traded him before the deadline. If we sign him because we plan on trading him asap fine but I don't want him out there next to Drummond next year.