Offseason not going well

[rmfc]

This offseason hasn't been good at all. We signed a good shooter in Meeks, yes, but we paid him way too much! Our draft pick was just laughable, we still have Monroe for some reason when we could currently have 2 quality players in exchange for him oh and to top it all off, the east is getting bigger and badder again. So I say we finish near the bottom of the conference this season unless immediate moves are made. I'm a pistons fan as much as anyone else here, but I'm also a realist, and in my honest opinion I think we went from potentially gaining a playoff spot last season to being even worse now. SVG has GOT to make some moves before the season begins.

Other than the line "our draft pick was laughable", I agree with you.

Very underwhelming from SVG....so far.

[ripchard32]

This offseason hasn't been good at all. We signed a good shooter in Meeks, yes, but we paid him way too much! Our draft pick was just laughable, we still have Monroe for some reason when we could currently have 2 quality players in exchange for him oh and to top it all off, the east is getting bigger and badder again. So I say we finish near the bottom of the conference this season unless immediate moves are made. I'm a pistons fan as much as anyone else here, but I'm also a realist, and in my honest opinion I think we went from potentially gaining a playoff spot last season to being even worse now. SVG has GOT to make some moves before the season begins.

Other than the line "our draft pick was laughable", I agree with you.

Very underwhelming from SVG....so far.

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

[The Penguin]

Additionally, the acquisition of DJ Augustin will make a significant difference by creating a competitive environment.

Popular opinion aside, this guy is going to PUSH KCP for the starting position. Anybody who can compete against Kobe Bryant on a daily basis and take all the verbal abuse in practice and end up winning the confidence and respect of the prima diva of the league...is a dude worth having.

You hit the nail on the head. Stan has laid the groundwork to create a competitive atmosphere for every single spot on the roster and every minute of playing time. With guys like CV31, Gordon, Stuckey and even Rip at the end you had a bunch of guys who operated with a sense of entitlement. Gordon, Stuckey and Rip all believe they had earned the right to be the focal point of the offense and they knew they'd get paid and play regardless of what they did. CV31 knew his money was guaranteed and checked out as soon as the ink dried. We had a string of sad sack coaches no player listened to because they knew they could just run to Joe and complain.

Stan will demand accountability, force people to earn their burn and has someone to push every single spot on the roster. There's no one to go above his head and complain to. If we get buy in and everyone plays up to their potential we could be a legitimate sleeper, similar to the Denver team from '12-'13 that went 57-25 because they were DEEP and played together. Stan has said his vision is San Antonio, everyone on their team is a professional, who's happy playing their role and giving it their all for 25-30 minutes a night opposed to playing ~40. If we get that buy in we've got the pieces to surprise people. You can win a lot of games in the NBA simply by having a team that goes hard and pushes it for 48 minutes.

[The Penguin]

This offseason hasn't been good at all. We signed a good shooter in Meeks, yes, but we paid him way too much! Our draft pick was just laughable, we still have Monroe for some reason when we could currently have 2 quality players in exchange for him oh and to top it all off, the east is getting bigger and badder again. So I say we finish near the bottom of the conference this season unless immediate moves are made. I'm a pistons fan as much as anyone else here, but I'm also a realist, and in my honest opinion I think we went from potentially gaining a playoff spot last season to being even worse now. SVG has GOT to make some moves before the season begins.

Other than the line "our draft pick was laughable", I agree with you.

Very underwhelming from SVG....so far.

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

That's an incredibly ignorant take. Dinwiddie had Colorado at 14-2 with a win over Kansas and only losses coming against 2 ranked teams before he got hurt. If he didn't go down he's likely an easy first round pick as a 6'6" guy who can handle the ball and shoot (over 40% for 3, over 85% from the line). Plenty of people watch more than just UM basketball games and have heard of Dinwiddie.

[sc8581]

Tell these kids what's up Penguin lol. I'm very satisfied with the moves do far and I have faith that SVG will make the right decision with Monroe.

[bballnmike]

This offseason hasn't been good at all. We signed a good shooter in Meeks, yes, but we paid him way too much! Our draft pick was just laughable, we still have Monroe for some reason when we could currently have 2 quality players in exchange for him oh and to top it all off, the east is getting bigger and badder again. So I say we finish near the bottom of the conference this season unless immediate moves are made. I'm a pistons fan as much as anyone else here, but I'm also a realist, and in my honest opinion I think we went from potentially gaining a playoff spot last season to being even worse now. SVG has GOT to make some moves before the season begins.

Other than the line "our draft pick was laughable", I agree with you.

Very underwhelming from SVG....so far.

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

I haven't heard of him, therefore he sucks

[ripchard32]

Other than the line "our draft pick was laughable", I agree with you.

Very underwhelming from SVG....so far.

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

I haven't heard of him, therefore he sucks

That wasn't even my intention but ok. I know that most of the time players that are unheard of or have little popularity do so for a reason. I hadn't heard of dinwiddie till we literally drafted him, if he turns out to be good then that's great but knowing our draft history he will probably be a bust or, like usual, flourish somewhere else. Also he's 6'6" and weak and will get pushed around in the league. He's obviously no KD so it's like he'll have another arsenal of skills to go to. Some people are just in denial everytime it comes to the draft. Happens every year.

[Redeemed]

This offseason hasn't been good at all. We signed a good shooter in Meeks, yes, but we paid him way too much! Our draft pick was just laughable, we still have Monroe for some reason when we could currently have 2 quality players in exchange for him oh and to top it all off, the east is getting bigger and badder again. So I say we finish near the bottom of the conference this season unless immediate moves are made. I'm a pistons fan as much as anyone else here, but I'm also a realist, and in my honest opinion I think we went from potentially gaining a playoff spot last season to being even worse now. SVG has GOT to make some moves before the season begins.

We signed good shooters in Meeks, Carter, Augustin, and Butler. That was one of our glaring weaknesses.

You mentioned the east is getting bigger and badder...yeah maybe. That's all the more reason to keep Monroe and develop a future twin towers with shooters to compliment them.

We also have a serviceable big in Aaron Gray, not a spectacular big ticket put butts in the seats player, but a player who will be able to give us plus minutes while Drummond rests.

We have a recovering 6'6" pg who plays the 1, 2, and 3. He has been a pg at every stage of his basketball life. He's a guy who has that elusive feel for the game. He plays solid defense and takes pride in rising to the occasion. Those who wanted MCW, will love Spencer. The dude is a playmaker.

We are in the midst of a scenario where a team is being built with pieces that fit, run by a coach who knows what he's doing. It's been a long time since we were able to say that.

[sc8581]

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

I haven't heard of him, therefore he sucks

That wasn't even my intention but ok. I know that most of the time players that are unheard of or have little popularity do so for a reason. I hadn't heard of dinwiddie till we literally drafted him, if he turns out to be good then that's great but knowing our draft history he will probably be a bust or, like usual, flourish somewhere else. Also he's 6'6" and weak and will get pushed around in the league. He's obviously no KD so it's like he'll have another arsenal of skills to go to. Some people are just in denial everytime it comes to the draft. Happens every year.

Anything you get from a 2nd round pick is a bonus and by likely taking the season off to get healthy im assuming he will add weight.

[The Penguin]

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

I haven't heard of him, therefore he sucks

That wasn't even my intention but ok. I know that most of the time players that are unheard of or have little popularity do so for a reason. I hadn't heard of dinwiddie till we literally drafted him, if he turns out to be good then that's great but knowing our draft history he will probably be a bust or, like usual, flourish somewhere else. Also he's 6'6" and weak and will get pushed around in the league. He's obviously no KD so it's like he'll have another arsenal of skills to go to. Some people are just in denial everytime it comes to the draft. Happens every year.

Denial works both ways, for every person who believes in every 2nd round pick there's a person who thinks we'd be a championship team if we looked like:


Zach Randolph / Adrian Payne
Draymond Green / Mitch McGary
Alan Anderson / Glenn Robinson III
Jamal Crawford / Jason Richardson / Tim Hardaway JR. / Shannon Brown / Gary Harris / Nik Stauskas
Trey Burke

[ripchard32]

I haven't heard of him, therefore he sucks

That wasn't even my intention but ok. I know that most of the time players that are unheard of or have little popularity do so for a reason. I hadn't heard of dinwiddie till we literally drafted him, if he turns out to be good then that's great but knowing our draft history he will probably be a bust or, like usual, flourish somewhere else. Also he's 6'6" and weak and will get pushed around in the league. He's obviously no KD so it's like he'll have another arsenal of skills to go to. Some people are just in denial everytime it comes to the draft. Happens every year.

Denial works both ways, for every person who believes in every 2nd round pick there's a person who thinks we'd be a championship team if we looked like:


Zach Randolph / Adrian Payne
Draymond Green / Mitch McGary
Alan Anderson / Glenn Robinson III
Jamal Crawford / Jason Richardson / Tim Hardaway JR. / Shannon Brown / Gary Harris / Nik Stauskas
Trey Burke

The people who think that are delusional and are just UM and MSU fanboys. Not every single player from the big 2 universities in Michigan is gonna be a good or even decent player. There have been plenty of scrubs that came out of both. But in my opinion GR was a no brainer seeing as where we were picking and who was on the board.

[whitehops]

personally I think the pistons have quietly had a very good offseason thus far.

[sc8581]

That wasn't even my intention but ok. I know that most of the time players that are unheard of or have little popularity do so for a reason. I hadn't heard of dinwiddie till we literally drafted him, if he turns out to be good then that's great but knowing our draft history he will probably be a bust or, like usual, flourish somewhere else. Also he's 6'6" and weak and will get pushed around in the league. He's obviously no KD so it's like he'll have another arsenal of skills to go to. Some people are just in denial everytime it comes to the draft. Happens every year.

Denial works both ways, for every person who believes in every 2nd round pick there's a person who thinks we'd be a championship team if we looked like:


Zach Randolph / Adrian Payne
Draymond Green / Mitch McGary
Alan Anderson / Glenn Robinson III
Jamal Crawford / Jason Richardson / Tim Hardaway JR. / Shannon Brown / Gary Harris / Nik Stauskas
Trey Burke

The people who think that are delusional and are just UM and MSU fanboys. Not every single player from the big 2 universities in Michigan is gonna be a good or even decent player. There have been plenty of scrubs that came out of both. But in my opinion GR was a no brainer seeing as where we were picking and who was on the board.

Obviously there's a reason he was also passed by many other teams don't you think?

[Kilo]

This is a clandestine rebuild by Stan Van and Co. It's all about putting laser focus on developing Andre Drummond over the next two years with the hopes at the end of these next two years he'll be a superstar center than can then be used to attract other big fish free agents from the 2016 FA Class.

This off-season was never about improving the team to make the play-offs, though if it happens that would be great - mostly because it would mean Drummond carried the team there on his back. There were sexier moves that could have been made that could have made us a better team, but it would have just made us a treadmill team, and would have meant bringing in a #1 option scorer wing player that would have took touches and shots away from Drummond and been the focal point of the offense, not Dre.

Meeks was brought in to be the floor spacing shooter as we don't know what we have, if anything, in KCP yet. They can battle each other, iron sharpens iron, and may the better player win. Notice he's the only player who got a three year deal - meaning he's in the post 2016 off-season plans.

Cartier Martin is a fiery/passionate guy and a team player. Stan said he wanted to see more passion and energy out of the team.

Aaron Gray is a big bodied low post grinder - he's a funny guy/lockerroom comedian type and said to be a good one-on-one defender. He's basically brought in to be the NBA equivalent of the tackling dummy for Dre to abuse during practice as he works on his low post game. With Sheed not brought back and 72 yr old Brendan Malone the defacto big man coach on Stan's staff, somebody was needed for Dre to body up as he worked on his game.

DJ Augustin was brought in to keep Jennings in check. If Brandon doesn't buy into Stan's vision there was little Stan could do before considering it would have meant benching Jennings in favor of Bynum or Siva - and Brandon knows that was an empty threat to happen. However Augustin can legitimately start over Jennings - meaning Jennings has to win his minutes and play Stan's way in order to keep the minutes.

Caron Butler is a leader of men. He played for Stan in Miami and thus they are familiar with each other. Butler also is a UCONN man, as is Drummond. Even if a decade apart, players tend to spend time around their alma maters in the off-season and one might assume Caron and Dre's paths have crossed previously. Dre seemed to indicate as much in a tweet shortly after word leaked that Butler had signed. Also the second year being non-guaranteed is more for the Pistons benefit to use in a trade next off-season.

[Bakuto]

Other than the line "our draft pick was laughable", I agree with you.

Very underwhelming from SVG....so far.

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

That's an incredibly ignorant take. Dinwiddie had Colorado at 14-2 with a win over Kansas and only losses coming against 2 ranked teams before he got hurt. If he didn't go down he's likely an easy first round pick as a 6'6" guy who can handle the ball and shoot (over 40% for 3, over 85% from the line). Plenty of people watch more than just UM basketball games and have heard of Dinwiddie.

Off topic - but are you Piston Prince?

[The Penguin]

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

That's an incredibly ignorant take. Dinwiddie had Colorado at 14-2 with a win over Kansas and only losses coming against 2 ranked teams before he got hurt. If he didn't go down he's likely an easy first round pick as a 6'6" guy who can handle the ball and shoot (over 40% for 3, over 85% from the line). Plenty of people watch more than just UM basketball games and have heard of Dinwiddie.

Off topic - but are you Piston Prince?

End of the Dumars - Prince - "Going to work era" = time for a fresh look

[whitehops]

I feel like stan is making the best out of a bad situation, there's not much more you can ask for, really.

[Notanoob]

This offseason hasn't been good at all. We signed a good shooter in Meeks, yes, but we paid him way too much! Our draft pick was just laughable, we still have Monroe for some reason when we could currently have 2 quality players in exchange for him oh and to top it all off, the east is getting bigger and badder again. So I say we finish near the bottom of the conference this season unless immediate moves are made. I'm a pistons fan as much as anyone else here, but I'm also a realist, and in my honest opinion I think we went from potentially gaining a playoff spot last season to being even worse now. SVG has GOT to make some moves before the season begins.

Other than the line "our draft pick was laughable", I agree with you.

Very underwhelming from SVG....so far.

We could have took Glen Robinson III, which in college was a pretty good shooter and defender, instead we take some guy no one has heard of. Hell, even KCP had SOME kind of hype coming from college.

Take it from someone who went to every home game...GRIII is not a good shooter or defender.

Or just look at his actual stats.
Dinwiddie: 41% from 3, 1.5 steals, .2 blocks
GR3: 30% from 3, .9 steals, .3 blocks

Steals and blocks are only an approximation of defense, but GR3 was nothing special on defense.

And for the record, I had heard of Dinwiddie plenty before the draft and he was my #1 target for us.