Where will Reggie Jackson rank among point guards this season?

[313 Professor]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/588736317330104320[/tweet]

Wait a second here. I was told that;

"If RJ stays as starting PG all year over Jennings & Dinwiddie, I think he will be one of the worst PG's in the league treated like a true franchise 1."

So this graphic tells me that while Jackson was starting for us he wasn't just an average, or even a very good pg to play the system that the Coach with 6th highest winning %(.610) of current NBA coaches loves to run, but the best in the league?

Man, the Pistons are screwed.

I'm just reading through and seen I was quoted lol

What can Reggie Jackson do without a pick? That's the real question here. Can he iso and get to the rack and finish high %? How is his pullup off the dribble? Is his handle good enough to get legit separation and create vs. good D? How is his composure when the pressure is highest? I'd say he's definitely 0-4 with those 4 questions. If you watched games down the stretch you saw this. He's a pick DEPENDENT primary ball-handler. Everybody uses it obviously, but WITHOUT a pick RJ is one of the worst PG's in the league who will get legit usage. With the shot clock going down and no time for a pick only an iso.... ?? There might be legit 50-70 players I'd rather have the rock than RJ to get a good look for himself or a teammate.

The alarming thing about that stat is that it points to the inflation of his numbers. All of those pick and pass weakside 3's, and light defensive efforts with favorable defensive matchups RJ gets in the 1st 3 1/2 quarters and regular season that rack up his stats won't be there in the playoffs and in close games in the 4th. He's going to get Tony Allen's ALL GAME as the primary guy not Beno Udrih's**. The P&R is defended MUCH tighter and everything is contested. The thing people miss with stats is that they are not filtered for difficulty. I'm not a big stat guy overall but if you filter RJ's stats down to the most important game-deciding minutes and eliminate the warm-up P&R's when guys aren't even playing forreal and just hoping guys will miss 3's they'd tell a different story. I watched every RJ Pistons game.

**Keep in mind I was actually VERY excited when we got Reggie. He's the reason I started getting on this forum again honestly because there was something new with potential worth talking about. But..... I slowly became let down with his performances and the L's.

very good regular season point guard... pretty solid in the long run.

I'm worried about his performances in close games and playoff basketball, with driving lanes way more congested.

This. I initially looked at this as a fear, but it still just might be good for our team and city. We might be able to get in the playoffs this year and if Reggie doesn't get benched his base numbers might look nice regular season. I want my Pistons to win titles again, but getting bodied in the 1st round of the playoffs because Reggie is our primary handler might not be a bad thing after all since it's been so long. It would actually be a step in the right direction! With Drummond, Stanley, Dinwiddie, Hilliard, and to a lesser extent KCP, Jennings, a benched RJ, Illyasova, Morris, and maybe Bullock there is more than enough to be excited about!

As a fan if you're reading this Reggie Jackson I challenge you to accept these truths about your game and work hard to prove me wrong! That would be AWESOME Mr. 80 Million Dollars! Cut me a couple hunnid grand for the inspiration too!

EDIT: I just pictured us getting the 8 seed... playing Cleveland 1st round.... and imagined what Iman Shumpert would do to Reggie Jackson in the playoffs on defense

[mattao313]

Spoiler:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/588736317330104320[/tweet]

Wait a second here. I was told that;

"If RJ stays as starting PG all year over Jennings & Dinwiddie, I think he will be one of the worst PG's in the league treated like a true franchise 1."

So this graphic tells me that while Jackson was starting for us he wasn't just an average, or even a very good pg to play the system that the Coach with 6th highest winning %(.610) of current NBA coaches loves to run, but the best in the league?

Man, the Pistons are screwed.

I'm just reading through and seen I was quoted lol

What can Reggie Jackson do without a pick? That's the real question here. Can he iso and get to the rack and finish high %? How is his pullup off the dribble? Is his handle good enough to get legit separation and create vs. good D? How is his composure when the pressure is highest? I'd say he's definitely 0-4 with those 4 questions. If you watched games down the stretch you saw this. He's a pick DEPENDENT primary ball-handler. Everybody uses it obviously, but WITHOUT a pick RJ is one of the worst PG's in the league who will get legit usage. With the shot clock going down and no time for a pick only an iso.... ?? There might be legit 50-70 players I'd rather have the rock than RJ to get a good look for himself or a teammate.

The alarming thing about that stat is that it points to the inflation of his numbers. All of those pick and pass weakside 3's, and light defensive efforts with favorable defensive matchups RJ gets in the 1st 3 1/2 quarters and regular season that rack up his stats won't be there in the playoffs and in close games in the 4th. He's going to get Tony Allen's ALL GAME as the primary guy not Beno Udrih's**. The P&R is defended MUCH tighter and everything is contested. The thing people miss with stats is that they are not filtered for difficulty. I'm not a big stat guy overall but if you filter RJ's stats down to the most important minutes and eliminate the warm-up P&R's when guys aren't even playing forreal and just hoping guys will miss 3's they'd tell a different story. I watched every RJ Pistons game.


**Keep in mind I was actually VERY excited when we got Reggie. He's the reason I started getting on this forum again honestly because there was something new with potential worth talking about. But..... I slowly became let down with his performances and the L's.

very good regular season point guard... pretty solid in the long run.

I'm worried about his performances in close games and playoff basketball, with driving lanes way more congested.

This. I initially looked at this as a fear, but it still just might be good for our team and city. We might be able to get in the playoffs this year and if Reggie doesn't get benched his base numbers might look nice regular season. I want my Pistons to win titles again, but getting bodied in the 1st round of the playoffs because Reggie is our primary handler might not be a bad thing after all since it's been so long. It would actually be a step in the right direction! With Drummond, Stanley, Dinwiddie, Hilliard, and to a lesser extent KCP, Jennings, a benched RJ, Illyasova, Morris, and maybe Bullock there is more than enough to be excited about!

As a fan if you're reading this Reggie Jackson I challenge you to accept these truths about your game and work hard to prove me wrong! That would be AWESOME Mr. 80 Million Dollars! Cut me a couple hunnid grand for the inspiration too!

Reggie was a bad iso player in DET but terrific in OKC but both are on small sample size. Reggie has a good pull up game shot 42% between 10 and 16ft. Most guards are very P&R dependent you can see that with Curry the best in the game struggle to go 1v1 against Delladova. Idk what you talking about warm up P&R.

Reggie was good for OKC in the playoff in a small sample size. Jennings was horrid in the PO in Milwaukee.

[313 Professor]

Reggie was a bad iso player in DET but terrific in OKC but both are on small sample size. Reggie has a good pull up game shot 42% between 10 and 16ft. Most guards are very P&R dependent you can see that with Curry the best in the game struggle to go 1v1 against Delladova. Idk what you talking about warm up P&R

Reggie was good for OKC in the playoff in a small sample size. Jennings was horrid in the PO in Milwaukee.

Thank you for the spoiler thing. I never thought of that I HATE those long quotes. I'll actually go in and take out the parts that don't matter lol

The underlined part sounds like stats to me though. The quality of your iso game is directly connected with the quality of the defender you're iso'ing against, and the difficulty of the shot depends on the quality of the defense overall and amount of pressure on you.

Translation: If the same gimme 1st quarter warmup heat check pullup is in the same stat as a iso pullup in the 4th with the shot clock running down and the game semi on the line then the entire stat might as well be void. If iso's vs. Tony Allen in the 4th are in the same stat as iso's vs. Beno Udrih in the 2nd the the stat might as well be void.

For the P&R dependent part I said:

He's a pick DEPENDENT primary ball-handler. Everybody uses it obviously, but WITHOUT a pick RJ is one of the worst PG's in the league who will get legit usage.

Curry's only struggles with Delly were mental. Big stage, big pressure, his 1st finals, and he's not the most physically imposing guy. He just missed some shots. He absolutely cooked Delly on numerous occasions once he got his "I'm playing in the Finals" composure. Sure he uses P&R too like everybody, but Reggie ain't never cooking no quality defender to the point where you can rely on him 1-on-1. Curry and most playmakers BENEFIT from P&R. Reggie is DEPENDENT on the P&R. Without a pick Curry and a lot of other players can still be effective... Reggie not so much.

EDIT: Oh yea... and by warm up P&R I'm factoring in the lack of intensity of some P&R plays early in the game. You run P&R then pass weakside, and the weakside defender is not really hustling. He does a generic closeout pretty much just hoping the guy misses the shot. This doesn't happen when games are on the line, and a lot of assists RJ gets are of this variety (see the game I posted where 10 of his assists were on shots 20+ ft from the basket)

[mattao313]

Spoiler:

Reggie was a bad iso player in DET but terrific in OKC but both are on small sample size. Reggie has a good pull up game shot 42% between 10 and 16ft. Most guards are very P&R dependent you can see that with Curry the best in the game struggle to go 1v1 against Delladova. Idk what you talking about warm up P&R

Reggie was good for OKC in the playoff in a small sample size. Jennings was horrid in the PO in Milwaukee.

Thank you for the spoiler thing. I never thought of that I HATE those long quotes. I'll actually go in and take out the parts that don't matter lol

The underlined part sounds like stats to me though. The quality of your iso game is directly connected with the quality of the defender you're iso'ing against, and the difficulty of the shot depends on the quality of the defense overall and amount of pressure on you.

Translation: If the same gimme 1st quarter warmup heat check pullup is in the same stat as a iso pullup in the 4th with the shot clock running down and the game semi on the line then the entire stat might as well be void. If iso's vs. Tony Allen in the 4th are in the same stat as iso's vs. Beno Udrih in the 2nd the the stat might as well be void.

For the P&R dependent part I said:

He's a pick DEPENDENT primary ball-handler. Everybody uses it obviously, but WITHOUT a pick RJ is one of the worst PG's in the league who will get legit usage.

Curry's only struggles with Delly were mental. Big stage, big pressure, his 1st finals, and he's not the most physically imposing guy. He just missed some shots. He absolutely cooked Delly on numerous occasions once he got his "I'm playing in the Finals" composure. Sure he uses P&R too like everybody, but Reggie ain't never cooking no quality defender to the point where you can rely on him 1-on-1. Curry and most playmakers BENEFIT from P&R. Reggie is DEPENDENT on the P&R. Without a pick Curry and a lot of other players can still be effective... Reggie not so much.

EDIT: Oh yea... and by warm up P&R I'm factoring in the lack of intensity of some P&R plays early in the game. You run P&R then pass weakside, and the weakside defender is not really hustling. He does a generic closeout pretty much just hoping the guy misses the shot. This doesn't happen when games are on the line, and a lot of assists RJ gets are of this variety (see the game I posted where 10 of his assists were on shots 20+ ft from the basket)

Yea I used stats to backup my argument not just my opinion. I clearly saw the guy use the put up in right why when the defense backed off and put a body on Drummond.
Iso game is not about the difficulty of a shot it's about breaking down the defense and getting the best shot available. A guy making a fade away three don't make him a good iso player. I've seen Reggie fry up both Nick Calathes and Tony Allen before.

That's not what I saw from Curry I saw a guy that Couldn't get past or really breakdown Delladova consistently and instead took low percentage step-back 3pts that he made a couple but missed a lot. Curry cooked the Cavs in the first game in the P&R and the next game the Cavs started to doubled off the pick and he struggled. I don't see the big deal with Reggie being dependent on the P&R.

I still don't under stand the warm up P&R thing, the Pistons run a P&R heavy offense so this applies to all the PG's we had so far what makes Reggie's 20+ assist game different than Jennings?

[313 Professor]

Spoiler:

Reggie was a bad iso player in DET but terrific in OKC but both are on small sample size. Reggie has a good pull up game shot 42% between 10 and 16ft. Most guards are very P&R dependent you can see that with Curry the best in the game struggle to go 1v1 against Delladova. Idk what you talking about warm up P&R

Reggie was good for OKC in the playoff in a small sample size. Jennings was horrid in the PO in Milwaukee.

Thank you for the spoiler thing. I never thought of that I HATE those long quotes. I'll actually go in and take out the parts that don't matter lol

The underlined part sounds like stats to me though. The quality of your iso game is directly connected with the quality of the defender you're iso'ing against, and the difficulty of the shot depends on the quality of the defense overall and amount of pressure on you.

Translation: If the same gimme 1st quarter warmup heat check pullup is in the same stat as a iso pullup in the 4th with the shot clock running down and the game semi on the line then the entire stat might as well be void. If iso's vs. Tony Allen in the 4th are in the same stat as iso's vs. Beno Udrih in the 2nd the the stat might as well be void.

For the P&R dependent part I said:

He's a pick DEPENDENT primary ball-handler. Everybody uses it obviously, but WITHOUT a pick RJ is one of the worst PG's in the league who will get legit usage.

Curry's only struggles with Delly were mental. Big stage, big pressure, his 1st finals, and he's not the most physically imposing guy. He just missed some shots. He absolutely cooked Delly on numerous occasions once he got his "I'm playing in the Finals" composure. Sure he uses P&R too like everybody, but Reggie ain't never cooking no quality defender to the point where you can rely on him 1-on-1. Curry and most playmakers BENEFIT from P&R. Reggie is DEPENDENT on the P&R. Without a pick Curry and a lot of other players can still be effective... Reggie not so much.

EDIT: Oh yea... and by warm up P&R I'm factoring in the lack of intensity of some P&R plays early in the game. You run P&R then pass weakside, and the weakside defender is not really hustling. He does a generic closeout pretty much just hoping the guy misses the shot. This doesn't happen when games are on the line, and a lot of assists RJ gets are of this variety (see the game I posted where 10 of his assists were on shots 20+ ft from the basket)

Yea I used stats to backup my argument not just my opinion. I clearly saw the guy use the put up in right why when the defense backed off and put a body on Drummond.
Iso game is not about the difficulty of a shot it's about breaking down the defense and getting the best shot available. A guy making a fade away three don't make him a good iso player. I've seen Reggie fry up both Nick Calathes and Tony Allen before.

That's not what I saw from Curry I saw a guy that Couldn't get past or really breakdown Delladova consistently and instead took low percentage step-back 3pts that he made a couple but missed a lot. Curry cooked the Cavs in the first game in the P&R and the next game the Cavs started to doubled off the pick and he struggled. I don't see the big deal with Reggie being dependent on the P&R.

I still don't under stand the warm up P&R thing, the Pistons run a P&R heavy offense so this applies to all the PG's we had so far what makes Reggie's 20+ assist game different than Jennings?

On the underlined two points you made do you think you can rely on Reggie Jackson consistently to do those things at an efficient/winning** level? When the game is on the line? When Reggie runs a P&R and creates ZERO space against good defense, then 911 passes off to KCP and KCP throws up a off-the dribble brick there is NO stat for that. That is a negative contribution from your primary ball-handler for not creating offense and dishing off to a teammate in poor scoring position. Not recorded.

That's how and why we lost with Reggie. Where is the stat for his FAILED P&R's? When a guy runs it and passes to a guy in terrible scoring position or turns it over? It's like Matthew Stafford's inflated passing yards because of his inflated ATTEMPTS. If Reggie created as many points as the stat posted says he did***, then common sense from watching the games would tell me 3 things:

1) he probably was privileged with running a lot of P&R's at a VERY high rate (which he was)
2) he made a lot of passes for 3's over 2's (which he did)
3) he was the only chance at creating offense on his team and was very P&R dependent (which he was)

He's nowhere near an elite pick & roll PG. Yall buy that he's better than OR EVEN CLOSE as good at the P&R Chris Paul? Really? So with points the stats people are smart enough to understand that 30 PPG on 34% shooting is not good, but can't carry over that SAME psychology to P&R PPG? And Curry is better than Reggie in every phase of offensive basketball. Anything Curry struggles with on offense will put Reggie on the bench.

**We lost with Reggie. Like 10 straight. Real playoff hope killing L's. If he was SO GOOD at the P&R and we run a P&R heavy system why the hell were we taking those L's? If we played our best basketball WITH Monroe, but win a few games WITHOUT Monroe but WITH Reggie how is Monroe now the misfit? Jennings is not all that either because he's pie at the rack, but we looked like a playoff team with him and Monroe. Did we not? Cutting Josh Smith looked like the best transaction of the year until Brandon got hurt and Reggie came in.

Reggie Jackson's stats and L's apparently are >>>>> The W's with Jennings & Monroe though

***By warm up P&R I just made that up to make one point. A P&R in the 4th quarter in a close game is not equal to a P&R in the 1st quarter when players aren't playing that hard. The P&R success Reggie did have in that Memphis game getting 20 assists was primarily a result Beno Udrih's TERRIBLE perimeter defense being unable to keep him out of the lane, and Zach Randolph honestly taking the game off. Zach Randolph saw old Tayshaun, and a scrub like Anthony Tolliver on the 3pt line and had ZERO motivation to stop them Zach Randolph probably saw our roster and decided it was a rest game for him. WATCH BENO UDRIH AND ZACH RANDOLPH EARN REGGIE JACKSON 80 MILLION DOLLARS HERE --- ONLY WATCH BENO & ZACH LOL I DON'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP

[mattao313]

Spoiler:

Thank you for the spoiler thing. I never thought of that I HATE those long quotes. I'll actually go in and take out the parts that don't matter lol

The underlined part sounds like stats to me though. The quality of your iso game is directly connected with the quality of the defender you're iso'ing against, and the difficulty of the shot depends on the quality of the defense overall and amount of pressure on you.

Translation: If the same gimme 1st quarter warmup heat check pullup is in the same stat as a iso pullup in the 4th with the shot clock running down and the game semi on the line then the entire stat might as well be void. If iso's vs. Tony Allen in the 4th are in the same stat as iso's vs. Beno Udrih in the 2nd the the stat might as well be void.

For the P&R dependent part I said:



Curry's only struggles with Delly were mental. Big stage, big pressure, his 1st finals, and he's not the most physically imposing guy. He just missed some shots. He absolutely cooked Delly on numerous occasions once he got his "I'm playing in the Finals" composure. Sure he uses P&R too like everybody, but Reggie ain't never cooking no quality defender to the point where you can rely on him 1-on-1. Curry and most playmakers BENEFIT from P&R. Reggie is DEPENDENT on the P&R. Without a pick Curry and a lot of other players can still be effective... Reggie not so much.

EDIT: Oh yea... and by warm up P&R I'm factoring in the lack of intensity of some P&R plays early in the game. You run P&R then pass weakside, and the weakside defender is not really hustling. He does a generic closeout pretty much just hoping the guy misses the shot. This doesn't happen when games are on the line, and a lot of assists RJ gets are of this variety (see the game I posted where 10 of his assists were on shots 20+ ft from the basket)

Yea I used stats to backup my argument not just my opinion. I clearly saw the guy use the put up in right why when the defense backed off and put a body on Drummond.
Iso game is not about the difficulty of a shot it's about breaking down the defense and getting the best shot available. A guy making a fade away three don't make him a good iso player. I've seen Reggie fry up both Nick Calathes and Tony Allen before.

That's not what I saw from Curry I saw a guy that Couldn't get past or really breakdown Delladova consistently and instead took low percentage step-back 3pts that he made a couple but missed a lot. Curry cooked the Cavs in the first game in the P&R and the next game the Cavs started to doubled off the pick and he struggled. I don't see the big deal with Reggie being dependent on the P&R.

I still don't under stand the warm up P&R thing, the Pistons run a P&R heavy offense so this applies to all the PG's we had so far what makes Reggie's 20+ assist game different than Jennings?

Spoiler:

On the underlined two points you made do you think you can rely on Reggie Jackson consistently to do those things at an efficient/winning** level? When the game is on the line? When Reggie runs a P&R and creates ZERO space against good defense, then 911 passes off to KCP and KCP throws up a off-the dribble brick there is NO stat for that. That is a negative contribution from your primary ball-handler for not creating offense and dishing off to a teammate in poor scoring position. Not recorded.

That's how and why we lost with Reggie. Where is the stat for his FAILED P&R's? When a guy runs it and passes to a guy in terrible scoring position or turns it over? It's like Matthew Stafford's inflated passing yards because of his inflated ATTEMPTS. If Reggie created as many points as the stat posted says he did***, then common sense from watching the games would tell me 3 things:

1) he probably was privileged with running a lot of P&R's at a VERY high rate (which he was)
2) he made a lot of passes for 3's over 2's (which he did)
3) he was the only chance at creating offense on his team and was very P&R dependent (which he was)

He's nowhere near an elite pick & roll PG. Yall buy that he's better than OR EVEN CLOSE as good at the P&R Chris Paul? Really? So with points the stats people are smart enough to understand that 30 PPG on 34% shooting is not good, but can't carry over that SAME psychology to P&R PPG? And Curry is better than Reggie in every phase of offensive basketball. Anything Curry struggles with on offense will put Reggie on the bench.

**We lost with Reggie. Like 10 straight. Real playoff hope killing L's. If he was SO GOOD at the P&R and we run a P&R heavy system why the hell were we taking those L's? If we played our best basketball WITH Monroe, but win a few games WITHOUT Monroe but WITH Reggie how is Monroe now the misfit? Jennings is not all that either because he's pie at the rack, but we looked like a playoff team with him and Monroe. Did we not? Cutting Josh Smith looked like the best transaction of the year until Brandon got hurt and Reggie came in.

Reggie Jackson's stats and L's apparently are >>>>> The W's with Jennings & Monroe though

***By warm up P&R I just made that up to make one point. A P&R in the 4th quarter in a close game is not equal to a P&R in the 1st quarter when players aren't playing that hard. The P&R success Reggie did have in that Memphis game getting 20 assists was primarily a result Beno Udrih's TERRIBLE perimeter defense being unable to keep him out of the lane, and Zach Randolph honestly taking the game off. Zach Randolph saw old Tayshaun, and a scrub like Anthony Tolliver on the 3pt line and had ZERO motivation to stop them Zach Randolph probably saw our roster and decided it was a rest game for him. WATCH BENO UDRIH AND ZACH RANDOLPH EARN REGGIE JACKSON 80 MILLION DOLLARS HERE --- ONLY WATCH BENO & ZACH LOL I DON'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP

Sigh,
You can't have a perfect play ever possession bro it basketball, do you really think Chris Paul passes to an open guy everytime he runs the P&R? So I think the part about KCP you're just making up cause I certainly didn't see this with my "EYE TEST".

Yup we lost ten game with a butchered squad that lost shooting and depth. Monroe didn't want to be here he did everything he could not to be. SVG got a guy that played good in the P&R he even said it in an interview that was the reason Reggie was traded for. Reggie and Greg just don't fit they don't compliment each other at all Jennings did because he is more perimeter oriented. Yup we looked like a Playoff team with BJ playing out of his mind mostly on 3pt jumpers and fadeaway long 2's. I like BJ but the way he was playing was most likely unsustainable.

LMAO, so your sayin' Reggie ran GOAT level P&R in the first 2 quarters then is straight trash the next 2? C'mon man that's were you use your EYE Test and stats to back yourself up and that is just straight wrong.

[Darko Miliminutes]

I want for him to best Wall. I can't stand the idiot to begin with, but after joking up the signing, i'd reall y like to see Wall eat crow. Yeah yeah, i'll never disagree that wall is a phenomenal athlete, and is very high skill. But he's a moron, has no poise, and a significantly over inflated sense of his own super stardom.

Just make Wall your B a couple times Reggie. please. It'll be good for both teams.

[Blkbrd671]

I want for him to best Wall. I can't stand the idiot to begin with, but after joking up the signing, i'd reall y like to see Wall eat crow. Yeah yeah, i'll never disagree that wall is a phenomenal athlete, and is very high skill. But he's a moron, has no poise, and a significantly over inflated sense of his own super stardom.

Just make Wall your B a couple times Reggie. please. It'll be good for both teams.

Appreciate the honesty. I can't wait for our first game. I think RJ shows up, and Wall retracts and plays it off

[Blkbrd671]

Spoiler:

Wait a second here. I was told that;

"If RJ stays as starting PG all year over Jennings & Dinwiddie, I think he will be one of the worst PG's in the league treated like a true franchise 1."

So this graphic tells me that while Jackson was starting for us he wasn't just an average, or even a very good pg to play the system that the Coach with 6th highest winning %(.610) of current NBA coaches loves to run, but the best in the league?

Man, the Pistons are screwed.

I'm just reading through and seen I was quoted lol

What can Reggie Jackson do without a pick? That's the real question here. Can he iso and get to the rack and finish high %? How is his pullup off the dribble? Is his handle good enough to get legit separation and create vs. good D? How is his composure when the pressure is highest? I'd say he's definitely 0-4 with those 4 questions. If you watched games down the stretch you saw this. He's a pick DEPENDENT primary ball-handler. Everybody uses it obviously, but WITHOUT a pick RJ is one of the worst PG's in the league who will get legit usage. With the shot clock going down and no time for a pick only an iso.... ?? There might be legit 50-70 players I'd rather have the rock than RJ to get a good look for himself or a teammate.

The alarming thing about that stat is that it points to the inflation of his numbers. All of those pick and pass weakside 3's, and light defensive efforts with favorable defensive matchups RJ gets in the 1st 3 1/2 quarters and regular season that rack up his stats won't be there in the playoffs and in close games in the 4th. He's going to get Tony Allen's ALL GAME as the primary guy not Beno Udrih's**. The P&R is defended MUCH tighter and everything is contested. The thing people miss with stats is that they are not filtered for difficulty. I'm not a big stat guy overall but if you filter RJ's stats down to the most important minutes and eliminate the warm-up P&R's when guys aren't even playing forreal and just hoping guys will miss 3's they'd tell a different story. I watched every RJ Pistons game.


**Keep in mind I was actually VERY excited when we got Reggie. He's the reason I started getting on this forum again honestly because there was something new with potential worth talking about. But..... I slowly became let down with his performances and the L's.

very good regular season point guard... pretty solid in the long run.

I'm worried about his performances in close games and playoff basketball, with driving lanes way more congested.

This. I initially looked at this as a fear, but it still just might be good for our team and city. We might be able to get in the playoffs this year and if Reggie doesn't get benched his base numbers might look nice regular season. I want my Pistons to win titles again, but getting bodied in the 1st round of the playoffs because Reggie is our primary handler might not be a bad thing after all since it's been so long. It would actually be a step in the right direction! With Drummond, Stanley, Dinwiddie, Hilliard, and to a lesser extent KCP, Jennings, a benched RJ, Illyasova, Morris, and maybe Bullock there is more than enough to be excited about!

As a fan if you're reading this Reggie Jackson I challenge you to accept these truths about your game and work hard to prove me wrong! That would be AWESOME Mr. 80 Million Dollars! Cut me a couple hunnid grand for the inspiration too!

Reggie was a bad iso player in DET but terrific in OKC but both are on small sample size. Reggie has a good pull up game shot 42% between 10 and 16ft. Most guards are very P&R dependent you can see that with Curry the best in the game struggle to go 1v1 against Delladova. Idk what you talking about warm up P&R.

Reggie was good for OKC in the playoff in a small sample size. Jennings was horrid in the PO in Milwaukee.

I am just going of pure eye test, but RJ isn't a bad iso player, he's just not flashy. he uses his length to his advantage , puts the defender on his hip and goes to the rack. What he's good at doing is getting in the lane. This isn't really a concern for now, as he's shown to have handles, however when he gets older, he's going to have to count less on his physical ability and more on his bball skill

[Canadafan]

I want for him to best Wall. I can't stand the idiot to begin with, but after joking up the signing, i'd reall y like to see Wall eat crow. Yeah yeah, i'll never disagree that wall is a phenomenal athlete, and is very high skill. But he's a moron, has no poise, and a significantly over inflated sense of his own super stardom.

Just make Wall your B a couple times Reggie. please. It'll be good for both teams.

Me too. I saw that idiot in Vegas a few weeks ago . Attempted to say hi to him and he totally brushed me off. Looked right at me and ignored me. Lol . Oh well I hope Reggie eats him up

[ZGendron317]

Ahead of Reggie:

Steph
CP3
Russ
Wall
Kyrie
Lillard
Teague
Rose
Lowry

I'd put him in this group:

Reggie
Conley
Bledsoe
Dragic
Holiday
Lawson
Kemba
Collison

I think he will be anywhere 11-16.

[Goon]

No way are Lowry, Rose, Teague and Lillard in the same tier as Steph, CP3, Russ, Wall and Kyrie. Especially Rose. And Collison is there and no Parker?

My prediction for 2015-16, not how they were last season, not how they're percieved atm, but what I expect for the upcoming season.

TIER 1: 1-3 (just have to put these 3 guys into their own tier, too good)
Curry
CP3
Westbrook

TIER 2: 4-6
Wall
Kyrie
Parker (returns in good form after an injury plagued season, if not he drops to tier 3)

7-13
Conley
Lowry
Lillard
Teague
Jackson
Dragic
Bledsoe

14-18
Rose (He was cancer last season, I expect a bit of improvement but not much, maybe he gets in tier 3)
Holiday
Lawson
Kemba
Rubio

I expect Jackson to start where he left of in march and april and to build on it during the season. No doubt he'll have some ups and downs, but it's his first season as a full starter and one of the most important players on his team, but he is in a system that suits him perfectly and that has to be acknowledged. If he continues improvements on his shot and gets better on D (very important), he gets close to J.Wall, I think that's his celling, still potential there, hope he fulfills it.

[Han Solo]

8-9

[Pharaoh]

I want for him to best Wall. I can't stand the idiot to begin with, but after joking up the signing, i'd reall y like to see Wall eat crow. Yeah yeah, i'll never disagree that wall is a phenomenal athlete, and is very high skill. But he's a moron, has no poise, and a significantly over inflated sense of his own super stardom.

Just make Wall your B a couple times Reggie. please. It'll be good for both teams.

Me too. I saw that idiot in Vegas a few weeks ago . Attempted to say hi to him and he totally brushed me off. Looked right at me and ignored me. Lol . Oh well I hope Reggie eats him up

You attempted to say hi?

You shoulda said "Reggie Jackson thinks you're overpaid too ****"

Might have got his attention!

[vic]

He'll be top 10... Based on how his skills fit the SVG system and he'll always have 3 shooters.

He did well in the playoffs with OKC so I don't think he's just a reg season or 1st 3 quarters player. With the fit of this team the whole is going to be greater than the sum of the parts anyway

[MrBigShot]

I want for him to best Wall. I can't stand the idiot to begin with, but after joking up the signing, i'd reall y like to see Wall eat crow. Yeah yeah, i'll never disagree that wall is a phenomenal athlete, and is very high skill. But he's a moron, has no poise, and a significantly over inflated sense of his own super stardom.

Just make Wall your B a couple times Reggie. please. It'll be good for both teams.

Me too. I saw that idiot in Vegas a few weeks ago . Attempted to say hi to him and he totally brushed me off. Looked right at me and ignored me. Lol . Oh well I hope Reggie eats him up

Me too. You just don't talk about another player's contract publicly. Curry makes less than all of his peers and he's miles above most of them and slightly ahead of Westbrook and CP3, you certainly don't see him coming out and calling them overpaid.

[ImHeisenberg]

I want for him to best Wall. I can't stand the idiot to begin with, but after joking up the signing, i'd reall y like to see Wall eat crow. Yeah yeah, i'll never disagree that wall is a phenomenal athlete, and is very high skill. But he's a moron, has no poise, and a significantly over inflated sense of his own super stardom.

Just make Wall your B a couple times Reggie. please. It'll be good for both teams.

Me too. I saw that idiot in Vegas a few weeks ago . Attempted to say hi to him and he totally brushed me off. Looked right at me and ignored me. Lol . Oh well I hope Reggie eats him up

Me too. You just don't talk about another player's contract publicly. Curry makes less than all of his peers and he's miles above most of them and slightly ahead of Westbrook and CP3, you certainly don't see him coming out and calling them overpaid.

Curry is the reigning MVP and NBA Champion (and really should have been Finals MVP). He's definitely the best point guard in the league and is wildly underpaid.

[Canadafan]

Me too. I saw that idiot in Vegas a few weeks ago . Attempted to say hi to him and he totally brushed me off. Looked right at me and ignored me. Lol . Oh well I hope Reggie eats him up[/quote]


You attempted to say hi?

You shoulda said "Reggie Jackson thinks you're overpaid too ****"
Might have got his attention![/quote]

I know right?? My bud likes him so I figured it would be cool to get a pic with him but whatever. Dudes a dick head in my opinion lol

[Brapman]

Curry, Westbrook, CP3 - at their best have the capacity and historical performances to be the dominant player on the court virtually every game. Kyrie is closest of the rest of the PGs to being that level, but there's something missing for me about him. He doesn't play well with others. He's also too often injured.

After that, Wall can be the most dominant PG, but he's a terrible shooter, and that decreases his value. Parker's been a wonderful player in a great system with great talent in San Antonio, but he's older now. Rose is simply a shell of himself, and is not a top player anymore.

Conley
Lowry
Lillard
Teague
Jackson
Dragic
Bledsoe

14-18
Rose
Holiday
Lawson
Kemba
Rubio

As far as I'm concerned, you pretty much can put the rest of these guys in a hat. Any of them can emerge if surrounded by the right talent. Lillard is the most proven of them, but let's see how he does without Aldridge and Batum. I'll bet his efficiency takes a nosedive. Dragic might thrive in year two in Miami if his supporting cast stays healthy - big "if" there. Teague is going to totally miss his breakout SF, but Lowry will love having him in Toronto. Jackson is as talented as any of the players in this grouping, and is just as likely to move up a full tier as any of them, especially since it seems more likely than not that his surrounding cast is a fine fit for him.