Derozan to Detroit????

[Neptune]

You need to read everything instead of just conveniently cherry-picking sentence fragments.

DeRozan is not a 2 way player in any shape or form. I was conceding the fact that Luke isn't great in this area either. But you conveniently ignored EVERYTHING ELSE about the comparison: Age difference, how much they are paid, and the fact that what Luke excels at translates well in today's game.

Hamilton focused on 2 pt shots because the game of basketball back then was played differently than it is now; and plays for Detroit were designed with that play style in mind. Today's game is focused much more on maximizing efficiency; which includes three-point shooting. If you play Hamilton's style in today's NBA you will lose.

For the same reason above, saying that Derozan + Drummond + Blake is okay because back in 2004 we had a 'similar' duo of Rasheed and Ben with Hamilton is largely irrelevant. The game is played differently now.

I'll make this short for you buddy. This whole thing about translating into today's game is a bogus argument. As said earlier, Philly's spacing isn't that great but they're still a competitive team that wins games because of there defense. That's Piston basketball. Not shooting 3pters all day like we're the SVG's Magic.

And I'm not saying Demar is a beast defensively, I just know he's way better than Luke and would make us better now. (My bad for edits, I'm lifting weights and posting at the same time, lol)

I'll make this even shorter for you: Demar DeRozan doesn't play defense.

So he wouldn't fit your definition of Piston basketball in any stretch of the word.

Even shorter. Demar plays better defense then your boy Kennard!

[Pharaoh]

Sounds like a good deal, but Miami wouldnt like it.

In between your sets care to explain why Miami wouldn't do this deal (or a similar one) at the deadline?

Johnson hasn't done much this year. Winslow has been in and out with injuries this year and while he's a good player his strengths are mitigated to some extent thanks to Butler being what he is and Bam developing. Throw in Nunn, Herro and Robinson...Winslow isn't essential to their next phase.

If it came down to Winslow or their pick I'd take Waiters and their pick instead.

It's all about adding picks in order to acquire cheap, young talent under team control. If you hit on a pick it's gold!

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The Heat are stacked with PG's. Nunn, Goran, and Hero running a little point. Now they'll trade Winslow for another PG who also can't stay healthy to save his life. I just think if the Heat trade a Winslow(who has injury history himself), they'll look to continue to build younger.

I don't think we have much value with Reggie. This guy hasn't played well consistently for stretch of games in a while.

They'd be acquiring Reggie to clear cap space this off-season, not to retain him.

Thought that would be obvious

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[Invictus88]

I'll make this short for you buddy. This whole thing about translating into today's game is a bogus argument. As said earlier, Philly's spacing isn't that great but they're still a competitive team that wins games because of there defense. That's Piston basketball. Not shooting 3pters all day like we're the SVG's Magic.

And I'm not saying Demar is a beast defensively, I just know he's way better than Luke and would make us better now. (My bad for edits, I'm lifting weights and posting at the same time, lol)

I'll make this even shorter for you: Demar DeRozan doesn't play defense.

So he wouldn't fit your definition of Piston basketball in any stretch of the word.

Even shorter. Demar plays better defense then your boy Kennard!

I don't even know where to start with this... your boy?

It's clearly pointless to go down the "Which bad defensive player is better than the other?" route that you seem determined to steer this discussion towards. Neither are a defensive asset. Neither will ever play "Piston basketball" that you extol the virtues of above.

You won't talk about the elephant in the room that is the cost of DeRozan's contract now, his future contract demands, or his age.

You won't acknowledge that even if Kennard remains a 15 points-per-game player (which isn't guaranteed since he is still improving), the fact that he can be had for considerably cheaper means that overall it is a better move for the franchise to keep him and use the additional money elsewhere.

You also probably won't acknowledge the fact that DeRozan has a lot of the same skills of a player that we already have under contract: Derrick Rose who we have for 20 million dollars cheaper per season. Yes, Demar is 4 inches taller but both exhibit the same style of play. Oh, and we play Rose in the second unit most of the time because of the spacing issues caused by his style of play and the need for defense in the first unit.

Instead I fully expect another one line reply in which you find a singular clause somewhere to cherry-pick against; completely ignoring the rest of the discussion from myself and other posters in this thread. Perhaps you'll even do it between sets.

Time to grow the good old ignore population by another username. Enjoy your weight lifting.

[Manocad]

Thankfully not even Gores is dumb enough to take on Derozan.

[DetroitSho]

I'll make this even shorter for you: Demar DeRozan doesn't play defense.

So he wouldn't fit your definition of Piston basketball in any stretch of the word.

Even shorter. Demar plays better defense then your boy Kennard!

I don't even know where to start with this... your boy?

It's clearly pointless to go down the "Which bad defensive player is better than the other?" route that you seem determined to steer this discussion towards. Neither are a defensive asset. Neither will ever play "Piston basketball" that you extol the virtues of above.

You won't talk about the elephant in the room that is the cost of DeRozan's contract now, his future contract demands, or his age.

You won't acknowledge that even if Kennard remains a 15 points-per-game player (which isn't guaranteed since he is still improving), the fact that he can be had for considerably cheaper means that overall it is a better move for the franchise to keep him and use the additional money elsewhere.

You also probably won't acknowledge the fact that DeRozan has a lot of the same skills of a player that we already have under contract: Derrick Rose who we have for 20 million dollars cheaper per season. Yes, Demar is 4 inches taller but both exhibit the same style of play. Oh, and we play Rose in the second unit most of the time because of the spacing issues caused by his style of play and the need for defense in the first unit.

Instead I fully expect another one line reply in which you find a singular clause somewhere to cherry-pick against; completely ignoring the rest of the discussion from myself and other posters in this thread. Perhaps you'll even do it between sets.

Time to grow the good old ignore population by another username. Enjoy your weight lifting.

Lol this post is hilarious. Honestly ole boy doesn't deserve more than a post or two of your time. It's the same hamster wheel in every discussion with him.

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[Neptune]

In between your sets care to explain why Miami wouldn't do this deal (or a similar one) at the deadline?

Johnson hasn't done much this year. Winslow has been in and out with injuries this year and while he's a good player his strengths are mitigated to some extent thanks to Butler being what he is and Bam developing. Throw in Nunn, Herro and Robinson...Winslow isn't essential to their next phase.

If it came down to Winslow or their pick I'd take Waiters and their pick instead.

It's all about adding picks in order to acquire cheap, young talent under team control. If you hit on a pick it's gold!

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The Heat are stacked with PG's. Nunn, Goran, and Hero running a little point. Now they'll trade Winslow for another PG who also can't stay healthy to save his life. I just think if the Heat trade a Winslow(who has injury history himself), they'll look to continue to build younger.

I don't think we have much value with Reggie. This guy hasn't played well consistently for stretch of games in a while.

They'd be acquiring Reggie to clear cap space this off-season, not to retain him.

Thought that would be obvious

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Yeah, that's my point. Why trade for an expiring point-guard who isn't going to play when they could possibly get a young player on a cheaper deal that can actually play help them win now.

[Neptune]

Thankfully not even Gores is dumb enough to take on Derozan.

Right, like he was dumb enough to make Dumars trade our young pieces for Jennings. You remember Kris Middleton. Yeah, he's a smart guy. Give him a thumbs up!

[Neptune]

I'll make this even shorter for you: Demar DeRozan doesn't play defense.

So he wouldn't fit your definition of Piston basketball in any stretch of the word.

Even shorter. Demar plays better defense then your boy Kennard!

I don't even know where to start with this... your boy?

It's clearly pointless to go down the "Which bad defensive player is better than the other?" route that you seem determined to steer this discussion towards. Neither are a defensive asset. Neither will ever play "Piston basketball" that you extol the virtues of above.

You won't talk about the elephant in the room that is the cost of DeRozan's contract now, his future contract demands, or his age.

You won't acknowledge that even if Kennard remains a 15 points-per-game player (which isn't guaranteed since he is still improving), the fact that he can be had for considerably cheaper means that overall it is a better move for the franchise to keep him and use the additional money elsewhere.

You also probably won't acknowledge the fact that DeRozan has a lot of the same skills of a player that we already have under contract: Derrick Rose who we have for 20 million dollars cheaper per season. Yes, Demar is 4 inches taller but both exhibit the same style of play. Oh, and we play Rose in the second unit most of the time because of the spacing issues caused by his style of play and the need for defense in the first unit.

Instead I fully expect another one line reply in which you find a singular clause somewhere to cherry-pick against; completely ignoring the rest of the discussion from myself and other posters in this thread. Perhaps you'll even do it between sets.

Time to grow the good old ignore population by another username. Enjoy your weight lifting.

I don't care about the cost if we're getting a better player. I don't care about his future contract demands if it makes us more competitive. And I don't care about his age because it fits with Blake and Rose window(I previously stated that). I don't agree we rebuilding because our front office is trash at drafting. I don't agree that Kennard and Demar has the same style of play at all. Demar is a two-way slaher that gives you 20+ a game and Kennard is just a shooter who will average 15pts max. I'll take Demar for 2 years then invest in an another guard instead of investing in Kennard for 5 years who's already hit his ceiling. Hope that answered your questions. As you can see, I'm not a fan of average players at the 2-spot.

Now to your last sentences. Well ignore me and get a hobby bro. But please, stop making your comments sound like your emotional! And thanks, the lift was great!

Oh, and tell @DetroitSho to do the same!

[Manocad]

Thankfully not even Gores is dumb enough to take on Derozan.

Right, like he was dumb enough to make Dumars trade our young pieces for Jennings. You remember Kris Middleton. Yeah, he's a smart guy. Give him a thumbs up!

I didn’t say he was smart. I clearly alluded to Gores being dumb. Just not dumb enough to take on Derozan.

There’s no reason for you to throw these little tantrums every time you present an idea that no one supports. If you need someone to support you no matter what, adopt a dog. They’re really good that way.

[Neptune]

Thankfully not even Gores is dumb enough to take on Derozan.

Right, like he was dumb enough to make Dumars trade our young pieces for Jennings. You remember Kris Middleton. Yeah, he's a smart guy. Give him a thumbs up!

I didn’t say he was smart. I clearly alluded to Gores being dumb. Just not dumb enough to take on Derozan.

There’s no reason for you to throw these little tantrums every time you present an idea that no one supports. If you need someone to support you no matter what, adopt a dog. They’re really good that way.

Lol, bro I'm having fun. No tantrums being thrown at all. Notice I don't get sensitive and ignore folks like some others here. I'm not lame and life for me is fun outside these forums so I don't this too seriously. Again, it's fun hearing others opinions and arguing like we're really GM's. But that's just me. Keep the opinions coming!