The Trade Thread

[Neptune]

Any way to lose Jennings in the process?

There's no reason to trade Jennings. But give me a minute to figure one out, I'll be open minded.

[paQo the BAWSER]

How do you think about give our 8 pick with Jennings and Smith for expirings?

[jakebernat]

Iam not debating jennings vs rubio,but if the guy cant get the wolfs to the playoffs with love and pec,I dont think hes going to have much more luck with dre smith/moose.

the wolves have next to no interior defense, and other than kevin martin, have a very little perimeter scoring. pec and love are a poor fit next to each other as both are poor defenders that play below the rim. simply put, that team is just poorly constructed, and they still managed to play .500 ball in the much tougher western conference despite constant rumors swirling about love's inevitable departure.

you're out of your mind if you don't think rubio could do a better job with our team than jennings. i'll just leave it at that.

[jakebernat]

How do you think about give our 8 pick with Jennings and Smith for expirings?

so give up a 1st to sign smith, and then give up another one a year later just to trade him?
i would burn the palace down if that happened.

[Q00]

Jennings gets criticized a lot for his 37% FG this season, but Rubio has a career 37% FG.

He's a better defender, but their playmaking is about even, and Jennings is a much better 3 pt shooter.

You would basically just be trading 3 pt shooting for defense, and being that this team needs both equally, I'm not sure you would really gain anything.

I think the best PG for this team might be a defensive guy who is a threat from 3, and might not be the best playmaker, but knows how to run an offense and doesn't turn it over.

Some might say we had that in Knight, but he had no clue how to run an offense.

1) rubio's FG% is underwhelming albiet his scoring is efficient. the dude only takes 8 shots a game netting almost 10 points each night. he knows he's limited as a scorer, but he's insanely gifted as a passer, so he simply plays to his strengths unlike jennings who averages 6 more shot attempts which translate to only 6 more points. also, rubio averages one more assist than jennings despite having a 7% disadvantage in their respected usage rates (rubio 16.4%, jennings 23.4%)

2) jennings is a mediocre 3 point shooter who thinks he can drain it from anywhere at any time (not too much unlike his buddy). 34% isn't a bad percentage, but when you take into account the fact that he's taking nearly 6 a game and basically sparking easy fast break opportunities for the other team, you have to draw the line. again, rubio understands both his limitations in his shooting ability as well as the consequences of bad shots, so he only takes 1.6 3's a game. give me the guy that will do everything to find drumroe or an open shooter over the guy who's already thinking about a stepback jumper with 20 seconds on the shot clock.

3) DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE...DEFENSE.

how can you even put rubio and jennings in the same stratosphere of running an offense? you can win with one guy. you can win the lottery with the other.

also, you basically described chauncey at the end of your post...

Iam not debating jennings vs rubio,but if the guy cant get the wolfs to the playoffs with love and pec,I dont think hes going to have much more luck with dre smith/moose.

This. Can't say you can win with Rubio when he's never had a winning record in his career.

[ComboGuardCity]

I don't like Rubio and I don't like Jennings. Yes, Rubio can pass and play D, but he cannot get his own in any way. He's worst than Jennings in that regard.

[jakebernat]

i guess we need a scoring PG all of a sudden. i swear this board is bipolar.

[jakebernat]

I don't like Rubio and I don't like Jennings. Yes, Rubio can pass and play D, but he cannot get his own in any way. He's worst than Jennings in that regard.

if by "getting his own" you mean launching off-balanced fadeaways and countless pull up 3's, then yes jennings is king.

i would rather have a PG do nothing but pass on offense before i take one with whatever the hell play style jennings has.

[ImHeisenberg]

i guess we need a scoring PG all of a sudden. i swear this board is bipolar.

You need the PG to at least have a 3-point shot. He doesn't have to be an insanely ball dominant player, but he has to be able to keep the defense honest.

In hindsight, Jose Calderon would have been a better option than Jennings this last season. It's not like his defense is worse than Jennings', but his shooting, passing and efficiency is superior.

[jakebernat]

this is seriously shocking to me that you guys wouldn't unanimously prefer rubio over jennings.

[jakebernat]

i guess we need a scoring PG all of a sudden. i swear this board is bipolar.

You need the PG to at least have a 3-point shot. He doesn't have to be an insanely ball dominant player, but he has to be able to keep the defense honest.

jason kidd arguably never developed a great outside shot...

[ImHeisenberg]

this is seriously shocking to me that you guys wouldn't unanimously prefer rubio over jennings.

Well, I'm not debating Rubio v Jennings.

If it had to be one or the other, I'll take Rubio. I'll be honest and say that I'd take Rubio over Jennings strictly due to personality. Rubio isn't a team cancer, for that alone I would prefer him.

But, that simply is not the case. Rubio isn't hitting the open market, and Detroit isn't going to be chasing him as a restricted free agent or in a trade anyways.

[jakebernat]

but, that simply is not the case. Rubio isn't hitting the open market, and Detroit isn't going to be chasing him as a restricted free agent or in a trade anyways.

well rubio and the wolves are reportedly at odds over his next contract's size, and with love's future murky as ever, there's a chance they could look to clean house. that's the only reason i even brought up the possibility of adding rubio. now i have people telling me that he and jennings are basically the same tier of point guard...

[Neptune]

How do you think about give our 8 pick with Jennings and Smith for expirings?

No

[ImHeisenberg]

i guess we need a scoring PG all of a sudden. i swear this board is bipolar.

You need the PG to at least have a 3-point shot. He doesn't have to be an insanely ball dominant player, but he has to be able to keep the defense honest.

jason kidd arguably never developed a great outside shot...

Besides the 4 seasons he shot over 40% from 3? Or the 10 seasons he shot 35+%?

Kidd was a lights out 3-point shooter when he was in his second stint in Dallas. Coincidentally, also the same time he won a championship.

[ImHeisenberg]

but, that simply is not the case. Rubio isn't hitting the open market, and Detroit isn't going to be chasing him as a restricted free agent or in a trade anyways.

well rubio and the wolves are reportedly at odds over his next contract's size, and with love's future murky as ever, there's a chance they could look to clean house. that's the only reason i even brought up the possibility of adding rubio. now i have people telling me that he and jennings are basically the same tier of point guard...

I would rank them in the same tier. They're both greatly flawed players, with relative upsides.

They're certainly not the same player. I read about Rubio's agent wanting a 10+ million contract. I doubt he finds that on the open market.

[jakebernat]

Besides the 4 seasons he shot over 40% from 3? Or the 10 seasons he shot 35+%?

Kidd was a lights out 3-point shooter when he was in his second stint in Dallas. Coincidentally, also the same time he won a championship.

11 season 34% or under from 3 for the first ballot hall of famer. not to mention some ridiculous year-to-year shooting inconsistency from deep.

and by the time kidd was back with dallas, he was 34 years old...

i get it. he added a respectable outside jumper, but a great outside shot? i don't think so.

[ComboGuardCity]

i guess we need a scoring PG all of a sudden. i swear this board is bipolar.

You need the PG to at least have a 3-point shot. He doesn't have to be an insanely ball dominant player, but he has to be able to keep the defense honest.

jason kidd arguably never developed a great outside shot...

Let me know when Rubio can hold a candle to Kidd.

[jakebernat]

I would rank them in the same tier. They're both greatly flawed players, with relative upsides.

They're certainly not the same player. I read about Rubio's agent wanting a 10+ million contract. I doubt he finds that on the open market.

you're starting a team. you have to add a point guard, and you have to choose from jennings and rubio. you're telling me that comes down to a coin flip? please. i hope you're just playing devil's advocate.

[jakebernat]

You need the PG to at least have a 3-point shot. He doesn't have to be an insanely ball dominant player, but he has to be able to keep the defense honest.

jason kidd arguably never developed a great outside shot...

Let me know when Rubio can hold a candle to Kidd.

i knew someone would go there. heisenberg said that a PG needs a 3-point shot. i'm simply disproving that. also, now that i'm thinking about it, that rondo guy's pretty good too.