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ComboGuardCity wrote:Everyone is titled to their opinion. Some people think RJ is a top 10 PG while others think Rubio and Rondo are top PGs.
ImHeisenberg wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:Everyone is titled to their opinion. Some people think RJ is a top 10 PG while others think Rubio and Rondo are top PGs.
Anyone who's claimed Rondo is a top 10 PG over the course of the last season, I immediately discredit anything they say going forward because they clearly don't pay attention to the NBA and are just spouting off. Rondo is a BOTTOM 10 PG in the NBA now. Rondo would gush at Jason Maxiell's shooting range and free throw shooting.
hoophabit wrote:Spider156 wrote:It's actually really interesting to me. I've been reading this forum almost every day even when there's nothing happening. There's a lot of new posters and although some are good I don't believe they give the respect that some posters like princeofpalace deserve. She's a fantastic poster and is realistic when it comes to this team. Loves it too much. However, she also likes her ignore list and like to add people on it really quickly. I myself don't have a person on the foe list. Even the guy who has me in his signature betting to make the Playoffs. That poster is really pessimistic but I'm not about to block him. It's not necessary. Sometimes they make good points but most of the time I just want to argue a lung out.
Me too. I never use the foe/ignore list. This stuff is just for fun. It doesn't make sense to get so invested that an opposing opinion or even a jerk would make you want to miss part of the exchange.
ImHeisenberg wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:Everyone is titled to their opinion. Some people think RJ is a top 10 PG while others think Rubio and Rondo are top PGs.
Anyone who's claimed Rondo is a top 10 PG over the course of the last season, I immediately discredit anything they say going forward because they clearly don't pay attention to the NBA and are just spouting off. Rondo is a BOTTOM 10 PG in the NBA now. Rondo would gush at Jason Maxiell's shooting range and free throw shooting.
princeofpalace wrote:Yes, having MCW as a bottom 8 starting PG really shows my bias...... LOL you all are seriously reaching. Also, I def don't have Rondo in my top 10 so there goes that nonsense claim as well.
Off the court issues aside, Lawson is a very good PG- he's a very good passer/has good court vision and can shoot the basketball. Character issues don't affect talent. He was an 18point/9 assist/4 board guy last season and a 15/10/3 guy this season- he clearly has a history of being a very good PG and was coveted prior to what is now his 3rd DUI.
Spider156 wrote:ImHeisenberg wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:Everyone is titled to their opinion. Some people think RJ is a top 10 PG while others think Rubio and Rondo are top PGs.
Anyone who's claimed Rondo is a top 10 PG over the course of the last season, I immediately discredit anything they say going forward because they clearly don't pay attention to the NBA and are just spouting off. Rondo is a BOTTOM 10 PG in the NBA now. Rondo would gush at Jason Maxiell's shooting range and free throw shooting.
Exactly what I thought too. Rondo dropped off pretty hard. He needs his lovely 3 HOFers to play with him or else he's garbage.
Blkbrd671 wrote:princeofpalace wrote:Yes, having MCW as a bottom 8 starting PG really shows my bias...... LOL you all are seriously reaching. Also, I def don't have Rondo in my top 10 so there goes that nonsense claim as well.
Off the court issues aside, Lawson is a very good PG- he's a very good passer/has good court vision and can shoot the basketball. Character issues don't affect talent. He was an 18point/9 assist/4 board guy last season and a 15/10/3 guy this season- he clearly has a history of being a very good PG and was coveted prior to what is now his 3rd DUI.
There no need to defend your list. It's there, it's your opinion , it is what it is. Doesn't make you right or wrong. Your stance is that rj is a average pg, then I'll let him prove you wrong
Detroit vs Everybody
Scout Taron wrote:princeofpalace wrote:Tier 1: Curry, Paul, Westbrook
Tier 2: Irving, Wall
Tier 3: Conley, Lowry, Teague, Lillard, Dragic
Tier 4: Holiday, Bledsoe, Rubio, Lawson, Rondo, Parker
Tier 5: Rose (moves up to Tier 2 if he gets healthy), Hill, Knight, Jackson, Jennings, Collison
Tier 6: MCW, Payton, Clarkson,
Tier 7: Walker, , Williams, Smart, Calderon, Canaan
RJ is not amongst the top 15 PGs in the league, which is why Jackson is an average starting PG and an average player.
If RJ gets close to matching his numbers last year with the Pistons, he'll easily be better than most of if not all of those guys you have as tier 4. And I could see him being better than a few of the tier 3 guys.
All depends. The Reggie Jackson argument isn't particularly interesting because there's nothing really we can say besides "I think it's a fluke", or "I think it's not." The production and eye test were both there, just depends on whether it's real. Pistons had no choice but to bet on it being real, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
I swear Reggie got offensive rebounds from catching his own shots after he got swatted (at 15 seconds*). Triple Double vs. PHI? Really? 4-17 Shooting, 10 AST, 5 TO, 11 REB in a 83-94 loss to PHI? One of the worst triple doubles EVER. Stats be having people SOOOOOO fooled.
I remembered it but checked to avoid sounding like a blind hater. I'm really not. I just have trouble lying to myself to be optimistic. I watched all those RJ games and none of them looked good until I saw the box score 
313 Professor wrote:Scout Taron wrote:princeofpalace wrote:Tier 1: Curry, Paul, Westbrook
Tier 2: Irving, Wall
Tier 3: Conley, Lowry, Teague, Lillard, Dragic
Tier 4: Holiday, Bledsoe, Rubio, Lawson, Rondo, Parker
Tier 5: Rose (moves up to Tier 2 if he gets healthy), Hill, Knight, Jackson, Jennings, Collison
Tier 6: MCW, Payton, Clarkson,
Tier 7: Walker, , Williams, Smart, Calderon, Canaan
RJ is not amongst the top 15 PGs in the league, which is why Jackson is an average starting PG and an average player.
If RJ gets close to matching his numbers last year with the Pistons, he'll easily be better than most of if not all of those guys you have as tier 4. And I could see him being better than a few of the tier 3 guys.
All depends. The Reggie Jackson argument isn't particularly interesting because there's nothing really we can say besides "I think it's a fluke", or "I think it's not." The production and eye test were both there, just depends on whether it's real. Pistons had no choice but to bet on it being real, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Numbers aren't everything. The eye test didn't tell me anything but that he's an average player playing in a PG dominant system where the only player on the floor at times that could even run a pick & roll was him. SVG's system last year with one PG and all shooters is 2k MyPlayer basketball for a PG. You will get stats. Every possession should be a bucket, primary, or secondary assist for the PG.
Kyrie Irving for example played with LeBron, Love, and JR Smith 3 guys able to run the pick and roll and iso which lowered his assist number. RJ's numbers will drop too if he plays more minutes with Jennings, Dinwiddie and Stanley (assuming he might be ready for some P&R/iso touches). More assists doesn't mean equal or better player. When you play with other players who can iso or run a pick and roll themselves there are just less opportunities to get them. Our offense last year was designed for JUST THE PG to initiate pretty much with a free lane and that's why everybody put up numbers that played the point for us. Who else was going to run P&R? Meeks and KCP were terrible options, so it was just MyPlayer ball for the PG until something happened.... and L's for our team during Reggie's tenure.
Those guard DREB all guards get are overrated too. I very rarely see a guard boxing out and getting a DREB his team wouldn't have gotten anyway. It's like they are showing off they can jump and are athletic just because. Westbrook is the worst.
*I didn't think I would find a video but I'm glad I looked...
Han Solo wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwizdOxZGQ[/youtube]
Good one... legit lol right there Scout Taron wrote:313 Professor wrote:Scout Taron wrote:If RJ gets close to matching his numbers last year with the Pistons, he'll easily be better than most of if not all of those guys you have as tier 4. And I could see him being better than a few of the tier 3 guys.
All depends. The Reggie Jackson argument isn't particularly interesting because there's nothing really we can say besides "I think it's a fluke", or "I think it's not." The production and eye test were both there, just depends on whether it's real. Pistons had no choice but to bet on it being real, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Numbers aren't everything. The eye test didn't tell me anything but that he's an average player playing in a PG dominant system where the only player on the floor at times that could even run a pick & roll was him. SVG's system last year with one PG and all shooters is 2k MyPlayer basketball for a PG. You will get stats. Every possession should be a bucket, primary, or secondary assist for the PG.
Kyrie Irving for example played with LeBron, Love, and JR Smith 3 guys able to run the pick and roll and iso which lowered his assist number. RJ's numbers will drop too if he plays more minutes with Jennings, Dinwiddie and Stanley (assuming he might be ready for some P&R/iso touches). More assists doesn't mean equal or better player. When you play with other players who can iso or run a pick and roll themselves there are just less opportunities to get them. Our offense last year was designed for JUST THE PG to initiate pretty much with a free lane and that's why everybody put up numbers that played the point for us. Who else was going to run P&R? Meeks and KCP were terrible options, so it was just MyPlayer ball for the PG until something happened.... and L's for our team during Reggie's tenure.
Those guard DREB all guards get are overrated too. I very rarely see a guard boxing out and getting a DREB his team wouldn't have gotten anyway. It's like they are showing off they can jump and are athletic just because. Westbrook is the worst.
*I didn't think I would find a video but I'm glad I looked...
He scored efficiently and the offense ran smoothly. Lol, I'm not gonna blame him for having a high usage rate. You NEED a high usage rate in order to put up big stats. As long as he stays efficient, it's A GOOD THING, not a knock on him.
You're just cherry picking games to fit your opinion, man... Calling out one random game, geez. As a whole he scored points and created offense, and once he got acclimated, the team started winning games with Caron Butler and Anthony Tolliver as the forwards.
Watch that video. I swear Reggie only grabbed one rebound that could've gone the other way when he came down on Vucevic.
313 Professor wrote:Scout Taron wrote:313 Professor wrote:
Numbers aren't everything. The eye test didn't tell me anything but that he's an average player playing in a PG dominant system where the only player on the floor at times that could even run a pick & roll was him. SVG's system last year with one PG and all shooters is 2k MyPlayer basketball for a PG. You will get stats. Every possession should be a bucket, primary, or secondary assist for the PG.
Kyrie Irving for example played with LeBron, Love, and JR Smith 3 guys able to run the pick and roll and iso which lowered his assist number. RJ's numbers will drop too if he plays more minutes with Jennings, Dinwiddie and Stanley (assuming he might be ready for some P&R/iso touches). More assists doesn't mean equal or better player. When you play with other players who can iso or run a pick and roll themselves there are just less opportunities to get them. Our offense last year was designed for JUST THE PG to initiate pretty much with a free lane and that's why everybody put up numbers that played the point for us. Who else was going to run P&R? Meeks and KCP were terrible options, so it was just MyPlayer ball for the PG until something happened.... and L's for our team during Reggie's tenure.
Those guard DREB all guards get are overrated too. I very rarely see a guard boxing out and getting a DREB his team wouldn't have gotten anyway. It's like they are showing off they can jump and are athletic just because. Westbrook is the worst.
*I didn't think I would find a video but I'm glad I looked...
He scored efficiently and the offense ran smoothly. Lol, I'm not gonna blame him for having a high usage rate. You NEED a high usage rate in order to put up big stats. As long as he stays efficient, it's A GOOD THING, not a knock on him.
You're just cherry picking games to fit your opinion, man... Calling out one random game, geez. As a whole he scored points and created offense, and once he got acclimated, the team started winning games with Caron Butler and Anthony Tolliver as the forwards.
I DVR'd every game Reggie played. Aint no ONE game. I saw EVERY possession.
Btw, anybody have an opinion on guard rebound padding?
bballnmike wrote:
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2guhtfxxID0&app=desktop[/youtube]
Let this be a reminder to people panicking over summer league play. I put more value in how Dinwiddie played in real games than any SL game.
Scout Taron wrote:
And I think I'm done on Reggie for now we'll see. I just hope Brandon Jennings isn't mean to him when he takes his spot back... and Dinwiddie. I think RJ's a nice guy. I've never seen a player get benched for a rookie, start a losing streak, and put up misleading system stats, but then get rewarded with 5 years 80 million and the unwavering support of knowledgeable fans. Reggie Jackson is like an optical illusion to me. Really. I don't get it. 313 Professor wrote:bballnmike wrote:
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2guhtfxxID0&app=desktop[/youtube]
Let this be a reminder to people panicking over summer league play. I put more value in how Dinwiddie played in real games than any SL game.
Dinwiddie is a baller. Little upper body strength... couple threes... he's the best player on our team. That young boy can ball but he's so weak. If Dinwiddie rose for a corner 3 and Kevin Love bench press pushed him with all his strength Dinwiddie would be in the 16th rowScout Taron wrote:
Yea man, I hated the Westbrook triple double streak. It's literally stealing rebounds from bigs and just.... cute. That triple double though? That's rare.
Han Solo wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwizdOxZGQ[/youtube]
bballnmike wrote:
With embed.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2guhtfxxID0&app=desktop[/youtube]
Let this be a reminder to people panicking over summer league play. I put more value in how Dinwiddie played in real games than any SL game.