Pistons related Free Agency Thread

[Snakebites]

Post play will never go away entirely. There will always be players who can use it effectively at various volumes.

But it’s never going to be the main course again, at least not for the foreseeable future.

Yep. It's made a bit of a comeback in recent years, but that's relative -- there were still only ten players who efficiently averaged at least 3 PPG in the post last season, and only Jokic and Embiid managed 5+ (Jokic led the league with 6.4).

And neither Jokic nor Embiid would be nearly as important if they weren’t offensively valuable in a myriad of other ways.

It’s why Shaq dislikes most modern elite bigs- none of them play like he did.

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[Crymson]

Yep, the Pistons are currently at 13 standard NBA contracts against a regular season maximum of 15 and minimum of 14. They'll need to be compliant by the close of the day on October 20th.

Jenkins is still a two-way RFA, so the Pistons have a two-way slot open as well.

Edit: Jenkins re-signed earlier this morning on a two-way deal, so all three slots are full at the moment. That could, of course, change at any time -- two-way players may be released at any time without any cap consequences.

[BadMofoPimp]

Killian Hayes shot 37% from 3 in G-League on 5 shots per game? Could maybe give a min contract and see if he pans out or invite to training camp.

[GreekAlex]

Killian Hayes shot 37% from 3 in G-League on 5 shots per game? Could maybe give a min contract and see if he pans out or invite to training camp.

Hell No

[A_dub06]

In the event we do get Beasley on a contract around $6-7m once the investigation is finished, am I completely high to ponder whether we should be interested in signing Ben Simmons to a minimum contract for pg and defensive depth?

We have a great locker room which could make Ben a happier player, and Detroit being a lower profile team might be able to offer less public pressure plus on a minimum we could just waive him with minimal implications.

[zeebneeb]

In the event we do get Beasley on a contract around $6-7m once the investigation is finished, am I completely high to ponder whether we should be interested in signing Ben Simmons to a minimum contract for pg and defensive depth?

We have a great locker room which could make Ben a happier player, and Detroit being a lower profile team might be able to offer less public pressure plus on a minimum we could just waive him with minimal implications.

Detroit has been a low profile team for years, because they have been terrible.

That changes next season with a ton of national games, and as the team gets even better, that will rise.

Pass on Simmons. The time for reclamation projects ended last season. He had his shot in the league, and did great things, before flaming out because he is mentally weak. Not what a young team needs.

[chrbal]

In the event we do get Beasley on a contract around $6-7m once the investigation is finished, am I completely high to ponder whether we should be interested in signing Ben Simmons to a minimum contract for pg and defensive depth?

We have a great locker room which could make Ben a happier player, and Detroit being a lower profile team might be able to offer less public pressure plus on a minimum we could just waive him with minimal implications.

If we were a lock top 3 team in the East, maybe. This a guy who’s allegedly even considering retiring. You’ve got a guy who might play ~50 games a season who treats contact like it’ll break him.

I like the idea of the other stats he brings. A bench combo forward who can give you strong defense with something like 5/5/5 (pts, assists, rebounds) per game.

It’ll be interesting to see if or when he signs somewhere, as well as how that goes

[GreekAlex]

In the event we do get Beasley on a contract around $6-7m once the investigation is finished, am I completely high to ponder whether we should be interested in signing Ben Simmons to a minimum contract for pg and defensive depth?

We have a great locker room which could make Ben a happier player, and Detroit being a lower profile team might be able to offer less public pressure plus on a minimum we could just waive him with minimal implications.

If we were a lock top 3 team in the East, maybe. This a guy who’s allegedly even considering retiring. You’ve got a guy who might play ~50 games a season who treats contact like it’ll break him.

I like the idea of the other stats he brings. A bench combo forward who can give you strong defense with something like 5/5/5 (pts, assists, rebounds) per game.

It’ll be interesting to see if or when he signs somewhere, as well as how that goes

I wouldn’t want his attitude, work ethic or mental weaknesses anywhere near our young core.

Ben Simmons has no place on a team like the Pistons.

[tradez401]

In the event we do get Beasley on a contract around $6-7m once the investigation is finished, am I completely high to ponder whether we should be interested in signing Ben Simmons to a minimum contract for pg and defensive depth?

We have a great locker room which could make Ben a happier player, and Detroit being a lower profile team might be able to offer less public pressure plus on a minimum we could just waive him with minimal implications.

No thanks on a 6’10 version of Killian Hayes.

[A_dub06]

In the event we do get Beasley on a contract around $6-7m once the investigation is finished, am I completely high to ponder whether we should be interested in signing Ben Simmons to a minimum contract for pg and defensive depth?

We have a great locker room which could make Ben a happier player, and Detroit being a lower profile team might be able to offer less public pressure plus on a minimum we could just waive him with minimal implications.

Detroit has been a low profile team for years, because they have been terrible.

That changes next season with a ton of national games, and as the team gets even better, that will rise.

Pass on Simmons. The time for reclamation projects ended last season. He had his shot in the league, and did great things, before flaming out because he is mentally weak. Not what a young team needs.

I disagree, I think even if Detroit was winning 50 games I don’t think they will be a “high” profile team with lots of media attention. We are always an afterthought, and the mental pressures that come with playing here are vastly different to a LA or NYK team.

100% agree that Simmons has his flaws, they are well documented and as an Australian my fists in for his actions are greater than most. Still, a 6’10” player that’s a great playmaker and decent defender/rebounder could still have value to us although with him declining the Knicks minimum contract it is doubtful he’d sign a minimum for us.

In this hypothetical though, on a minimum we could waive him should he be a distraction of any sort so I don’t understand the risk that you see as too great

[A_dub06]

In the event we do get Beasley on a contract around $6-7m once the investigation is finished, am I completely high to ponder whether we should be interested in signing Ben Simmons to a minimum contract for pg and defensive depth?

We have a great locker room which could make Ben a happier player, and Detroit being a lower profile team might be able to offer less public pressure plus on a minimum we could just waive him with minimal implications.

If we were a lock top 3 team in the East, maybe. This a guy who’s allegedly even considering retiring. You’ve got a guy who might play ~50 games a season who treats contact like it’ll break him.

I like the idea of the other stats he brings. A bench combo forward who can give you strong defense with something like 5/5/5 (pts, assists, rebounds) per game.

It’ll be interesting to see if or when he signs somewhere, as well as how that goes

I wouldn’t want his attitude, work ethic or mental weaknesses anywhere near our young core.

Ben Simmons has no place on a team like the Pistons.

Consider the teams he’s played on and the markets. He’s really only played in high pressure environments and none of those teams had a culture like we do. A team of guys that genuinely care about each other could lead to Ben buying in and maybe, just maybe find his love for basketball again.

A 6’10” versatile defender that’s a great playmaker and rebounder could help them team even if it’s only for 15ish minutes a night.

As I said to Zeeb, the hypothetical is signing him to a minimum contract which bears very little risk. Lord of ifs, buts and maybes granted, but the reward vs risk is worth it imo.

[bstein14]

If Ben Simmons was just a 13-15 MPG backup for Cade he would probably fit really well.

C: Duren / Stew
PF: Tobias / Duncan
SF: Ausar / Holland
SG: Ivey / Levert
PG: Cade / Simmons


On offense he plays PG and on defense he plays PF. If Holland's shot is improved the fit is actually really good. Not saying I like his attitude or anything but just the fact he can play PG and defend PF really helps that 2nd unit.

Late games when you really need to press or need a defensive stop you can shift him in as well.

[A_dub06]

If Ben Simmons was just a 13-15 MPG backup for Cade he would probably fit really well.

C: Duren / Stew
PF: Tobias / Duncan
SF: Ausar / Holland
SG: Ivey / Levert
PG: Cade / Simmons


On offense he plays PG and on defense he plays PF. If Holland's shot is improved the fit is actually really good. Not saying I like his attitude or anything but just the fact he can play PG and defend PF really helps that 2nd unit.

Late games when you really need to press or need a defensive stop you can shift him in as well.

This is what I’m thinking too. Gives us another angle that we don’t have and it’s such low risk it could really pay off.

[the_l_train]

If the Beasley signing falls through, Ben Simmons not the worst consolation prize.

Much rather have Levert take those backup PG mins next to Beasley though so we can have as many offensive-inclined players out there as possible. Sh*t, I’d feel more confident with Sasser at PG than Simmons at this point.

[Snakebites]

No Simmons please.

Just not a fan of his game at all, and we already have enough non shooters.

[chrbal]

If we were a lock top 3 team in the East, maybe. This a guy who’s allegedly even considering retiring. You’ve got a guy who might play ~50 games a season who treats contact like it’ll break him.

I like the idea of the other stats he brings. A bench combo forward who can give you strong defense with something like 5/5/5 (pts, assists, rebounds) per game.

It’ll be interesting to see if or when he signs somewhere, as well as how that goes

I wouldn’t want his attitude, work ethic or mental weaknesses anywhere near our young core.

Ben Simmons has no place on a team like the Pistons.

Consider the teams he’s played on and the markets. He’s really only played in high pressure environments and none of those teams had a culture like we do. A team of guys that genuinely care about each other could lead to Ben buying in and maybe, just maybe find his love for basketball again.

A 6’10” versatile defender that’s a great playmaker and rebounder could help them team even if it’s only for 15ish minutes a night.

As I said to Zeeb, the hypothetical is signing him to a minimum contract which bears very little risk. Lord of ifs, buts and maybes granted, but the reward vs risk is worth it imo.

That’s what I’m saying. At this point if we were to hypothetically sign him, it’s a very cheap contract and he’s like a 11th/12th man in the rotation at best. You’d obviously vet and background check him, cut him the moment he’s an issue.

Something like 50-55 games/low minutes per game. Most likely not a major factor in the playoffs.

That all said, I personally wouldn’t, but it’s not like we’re adding some toxic player.

I feel like he’d be better off trying to play overseas

[Canadafan]

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Gonna miss this guy

[MortSahlfan]

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Gonna miss this guy

Maybe we'll trade for him right before the deadline if we don't settle our backup pg

[Mr Peanut]

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Gonna miss this guy

Schroder seems like one of those players who isn't good enough to be a starter on a really good/contending team, but also is too good to be a bench player. Ultimately Sacramento offered him a role we couldn't, and money we weren't willing to. Wish him the best. Maybe not out of the question that he ends up on our team again in the future.