Could it be??

retrolenny · Post #1 » by **retrolenny** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:04 pm

I'm sighting the article on BK in the Freep today.

Knight might not become Billups, but the Pistons will remain patient. After all, the organization thinks point guard is the toughest position to master.

"You have to manage everybody's attitude, everybody's ego," backup point guard Will Bynum said after the loss. "You got to know where and what time to deliver guys the basketball in the flow of the offense.

"At the same time, you have to do what the coach wants you to do within that whole frame. The flow and pace of the game has to be so that you can play at the level that you want to play at as a team."

Could it be that Frank is actually blowing games in favor of instilling the growth of the players? For example, say BK is given an assignment and yet keeps screwing up. Rather than replacing him with another player, who gets it a little better, and going for the win, Frank sticks with him to see if he finally gets it in the game setting? If that's the case then that is a HUGE sacrifice. Dumb, but huge

ParrottK · Post #2 » by **ParrottK** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:04 pm

Not necessarily.

Knight is still one of the better players on our team. The argument could be made that Stuckey should start in front of BK, but Knight still brings things to table that Stuckey lacks (spreading the floor, speed in transition, extreme effort). Stuckey may be a better at getting assists, Bynum too, but neither is drastically better than BK.

MrBigShot · Post #3 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:29 am

We have to find out if Knight is the future at PG...growing pains are apart of player development. We need to find out if he will develop into the scoring PG capable of running an offense that many believe he can develop into, otherwise we need to look elsewhere.

kurtis48239 · Post #4 » by **kurtis48239** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:42 am

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BadMofoPimp · Post #5 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:48 pm

Sounds to me like Will Bynum should be starting and playing 30mpg. What does this team have to lose?

Piston Pete · Post #6 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:15 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Sounds to me like Will Bynum should be starting and playing 30mpg. What does this team have to lose?

No!

There is no better way to stunt a player's growth by slashing his minutes in half in favor of a 30 year old player like Bynum. Knight needs to play in order to learn.

retrolenny · Post #7 » by **retrolenny** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:24 pm

Piston Pete wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Sounds to me like Will Bynum should be starting and playing 30mpg. What does this team have to lose?

No!

There is no better way to stunt a player's growth by slashing his minutes in half in favor of a 30 year old player like Bynum. Knight needs to play in order to learn.

I agree with this comment but I also think that if Knight is not playing well then Frank should make adjustments on the court and go for the W. There is no need to let us give up 20 pts due to error before this happens. I'd rather Frank see that someone (Knight or whoever) is taken out of the game long enough to compete and then allow the player committing errors back into the game for more realtime training. At the end of the day, it's a business and although I realize there is a juggling act player development and getting the W, player development will not put fans in the stand or get you to the playoffs. Going for the W does that.

I believe that Knight has the potential we are looking for but he's also very young and it could take another 2-3 years. Go for the W and bring Knight on slower if you have to. Geez... Drummond looks all worldly out there next to Knight yet AD only gets 20 min/game.

MrBigShot · Post #8 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:25 pm

Piston Pete wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Sounds to me like Will Bynum should be starting and playing 30mpg. What does this team have to lose?

No!

There is no better way to stunt a player's growth by slashing his minutes in half in favor of a 30 year old player like Bynum. Knight needs to play in order to learn.

I wholeheartedly agree. We have to think long-term. Perhaps starting Stuckey at PG or Will Bynum will net us a few more wins this year, but ultimately we would never find out if Knight will become the PG of the future if we did that.

We have to focus on allowing our core guys to develop and gain chemistry...

I like to win as much as the next guy, but ending up 9th or 10th in the conference is not a good thing. Would rather get one more solid pick to add to our core. I don't think we are good enough to make the playoffs.

BadMofoPimp · Post #9 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:01 pm

I say trade BK while they still can get value for him. There were teams that were high on him and Knight could get the Pistons a decent draft pick or another decent player. Maybe a starting shooting guard. Heck, do Tyreke Evans for Knight.

ComboGuardCity · Post #10 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:17 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I say trade BK while they still can get value for him. There were teams that were high on him and Knight could get the Pistons a decent draft pick or another decent player. Maybe a starting shooting guard. Heck, do Tyreke Evans for Knight.

Gross. I think Knight is being undervalued here. He's shown flashes of being a great player and has shown he can score when he's let loose. However, unlike other teams, the team has other options on offense so Knight is not featured like many of the other point guards. He's been given a very specific role to fit into and that's hard for any player.

Brapman · Post #11 » by **Brapman** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:19 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I say trade BK while they still can get value for him. There were teams that were high on him and Knight could get the Pistons a decent draft pick or another decent player. Maybe a starting shooting guard. Heck, do Tyreke Evans for Knight.

Absolutely not. BK has the potential to be a star in this league, at the hardest (and most important) or second hardest (and second most important) position on the court - PG. He might not become a star, but he absolutely has that potential. He could become as good as Billups. As David Thorpe says, that what he expects Knight can become, and those two had the exact same PER at the same age.

If we trade him now, at best, we can bring in, by that trade, a competant guy at that position, but no way will we be getting a great player back. We have plenty of time to let Knight sort this out. Certainly we have the rest of this season, and probably next season as well. This is a 21 year old, high character kid, with a lot of talent. There is nothing to do right now except hope it goes click for him - which I expect it will.

That's the smart and only play here. And it's the one that makes sense for our team. We're a team in development with some great pieces, but it'll take a few seasons to be a contender -- about the same time frame for when Knight should take off.

Blkbrd671 · Post #12 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:37 pm

i actually think its the opposite. i think Frank states what he wants from knight on the offense and is hindering him. Granted knight needs to learn how to finish. If i was Frank i would have told knight a long time ago shoot the ball when he gets in the lane instead of going all the way to the rim(where knight has struggled to finish), either that or use a floater. Also FO and Frank have made it clear that Winning is first and foremost

2Mas · Post #13 » by **2Mas** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:35 pm

Hey fellas, Celtic fan here. Knights one of my favorite players who's a nonceltic.

What does he do that people think he should be benched. Obviously he's not a pure pg but I think he'll assists will be up around 6.5-7 within another year or so, especially with playing with who he has.

I think your pg, pf, c are locked up for a long time in Knight, Monroe & Drummond. You guys got a ton of talent that's young. Trade your lottery pick & Villanueva for another younger vet & sign a stud in FA. I know easier said than done, but you guts got the opportunities.

Anywayss.. What's the positives & negatives about Knight?! I only watch like 5-10 Det games all year.

BadMofoPimp · Post #14 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:50 pm

2Mas wrote:Hey fellas, Celtic fan here. Knights one of my favorite players who's a nonceltic.

What does he do that people think he should be benched. Obviously he's not a pure pg but I think he'll assists will be up around 6.5-7 within another year or so, especially with playing with who he has.

I think your pg, pf, c are locked up for a long time in Knight, Monroe & Drummond. You guys got a ton of talent that's young. Trade your lottery pick & Villanueva for another younger vet & sign a stud in FA. I know easier said than done, but you guts got the opportunities.

Anywayss.. What's the positives & negatives about Knight?! I only watch like 5-10 Det games all year.

His 30 year old career 5mpg backup is outplaying him.

retrolenny · Post #15 » by **retrolenny** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:09 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
2Mas wrote:Hey fellas, Celtic fan here. Knights one of my favorite players who's a nonceltic.

What does he do that people think he should be benched. Obviously he's not a pure pg but I think he'll assists will be up around 6.5-7 within another year or so, especially with playing with who he has.

I think your pg, pf, c are locked up for a long time in Knight, Monroe & Drummond. You guys got a ton of talent that's young. Trade your lottery pick & Villanueva for another younger vet & sign a stud in FA. I know easier said than done, but you guts got the opportunities.

Anywayss.. What's the positives & negatives about Knight?! I only watch like 5-10 Det games all year.

His 30 year old career 5mpg backup is outplaying him.

That's cold but so true!

RipCity32 · Post #16 » by **RipCity32** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:17 am

The amount of Knight hate on this forum is ridiculous. Geez.

retrolenny · Post #17 » by **retrolenny** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:38 am

RipCity32 wrote:The amount of Knight hate on this forum is ridiculous. Geez.

Nobody hates Knight. We just think he still needs to mature as a player. I'm personally a little baffled as to why Frank is willing to roll with BK and play him 35min/game but he's not willing to do the same thing with Dre? Dre has shown he has much more of an impact on the game than Knight does. As a matter of fact, BK has shown he is probably just as much of a liability as he is an impact player. I think I'm being nice when I say this.

Jodi · Post #18 » by **Jodi** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:32 am

RipCity32 wrote:The amount of Knight hate on this forum is ridiculous. Geez.

Agreed...Give Knight some freaking breathing room...

RipCity32 · Post #19 » by **RipCity32** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:26 pm

retrolenny wrote:
RipCity32 wrote:The amount of Knight hate on this forum is ridiculous. Geez.

Nobody hates Knight. We just think he still needs to mature as a player. I'm personally a little baffled as to why Frank is willing to roll with BK and play him 35min/game but he's not willing to do the same thing with Dre? Dre has shown he has much more of an impact on the game than Knight does. As a matter of fact, BK has shown he is probably just as much of a liability as he is an impact player. I think I'm being nice when I say this.

And what do you suggest?
Bynum is certainly not the answer, and Stuckey is fine with his current role. I wouldn't call Knight a liability at all.

retrolenny · Post #20 » by **retrolenny** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:50 pm

RipCity32 wrote:
retrolenny wrote:
RipCity32 wrote:The amount of Knight hate on this forum is ridiculous. Geez.

Nobody hates Knight. We just think he still needs to mature as a player. I'm personally a little baffled as to why Frank is willing to roll with BK and play him 35min/game but he's not willing to do the same thing with Dre? Dre has shown he has much more of an impact on the game than Knight does. As a matter of fact, BK has shown he is probably just as much of a liability as he is an impact player. I think I'm being nice when I say this.

And what do you suggest?
Bynum is certainly not the answer, and Stuckey is fine with his current role. I wouldn't call Knight a liability at all.

I would suggest that Frank stop being such a hypocrite. If he's willing to allow Knight to play through his growing pains then why not Dre?