Pistons 2004 Defense Chart from GB

[edmunder_prc]

I remember watching early 2000s Pistons Basketball vividly and it was excellent.


Its fun to see a chart like this to realize how nasty and smothering that defense was.

[tmorgan]

What thread is the chart from? Just wanted to look at it.

[Canadafan]

I remember watching early 2000s Pistons Basketball vividly and it was excellent.


Its fun to see a chart like this to realize how nasty and smothering that defense was.

Ya where is this discussion happening? I'd like a clearer picture of this graph to throw in my buddy's face lol

[edmunder_prc]

What thread is the chart from? Just wanted to look at it.

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About Kawhi.

[Manocad]

That team's defense was insane. They held opponents under 70 points 11 times that season, including a streak of 5 games that was broken by the Nets. I was actually at Hoops in Auburn Hills that night with some friends watching that game, and the Nets intentionally fouled near the end of game in order to get the ball back because they were down 69-88.They scored on a tip-in of a missed shot and were actually celebrating after losing because they had broken the Pistons' streak.

[Pharaoh]

LMAO I remember them celebrating their "win"...hilarious and disrespectful all at the same time

That team's defense was insane. They held opponents under 70 points 11 times that season, including a streak of 5 games that was broken by the Nets. I was actually at Hoops in Auburn Hills that night with some friends watching that game, and the Nets intentionally fouled near the end of game in order to get the ball back because they were down 69-88.They scored on a tip-in of a missed shot and were actually celebrating after losing because they had broken the Pistons' streak.

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[DetroitDon15]

That team's defense was insane. They held opponents under 70 points 11 times that season, including a streak of 5 games that was broken by the Nets. I was actually at Hoops in Auburn Hills that night with some friends watching that game, and the Nets intentionally fouled near the end of game in order to get the ball back because they were down 69-88.They scored on a tip-in of a missed shot and were actually celebrating after losing because they had broken the Pistons' streak.

Hoops was a a decent place back in the day. I feel bad that it probably won’t be the same. South of the Palace on Lapeer across from AirGas just doesn’t feel the same with the palace gone.

[Otis Thorpe Jr]

Wish the Pistons would’ve never left the place.. it was really nice and I liked the parking there. I never had any issues going to a game there and I felt 100 percent comfortable doing so. I have no plans on ever attending LCA for a game. You’d probably have to give me free tickets just to consider.

[Manocad]

Wish the Pistons would’ve never left the place.. it was really nice and I liked the parking there. I never had any issues going to a game there and I felt 100 percent comfortable doing so. I have no plans on ever attending LCA for a game. You’d probably have to give me free tickets just to consider.

And I'm the exact opposite in the sense that I hated going to games at the Palace. Not because of the Palace itself, but because leaving took an hour if the place was full (which it used to be a lot in the Pistons' glory days), and there was nothing near the Palace for entertainment. You had Hoops down the road and the Elephant Bar (which has since changed names 100 times) across the street. I would much rather go down to Detroit for some pre-game drinks/dinner, hit the game then head out to the cigar bar, casinos, a place with some live music or other live performance (*cough cough* Bouzouki Lounge *cough cough*), whatever. I am not a "just go to the game then go home" person.

That all being said, with the set up I've got at home you couldn't get me to go to a game even at LCA with free tickets. You'd have to give me free tickets, drinks/food, and a ride to and from the game. And I'm 100% serious. Now, I will throw the caveat out there that for the last 25 years in the automotive industry I've either been the "customer" or now the "sales guy" entertaining the customer, so I've been to more games of all the Detroit teams than I can count, including playoffs, that I didn't have to spend a dime on out of pocket. The allure of attending a game live just isn't there anymore unless it's a big game, and I sure as hell won't spend money to go even then.

[Otis Thorpe Jr]

I’m with you there bro. Going to a live game just doesn’t have that appeal to anymore either. Couple that with how damn expensive it is, it’s just not worth it to me. Tigers game are outdoors and affordable so I’ll usually go to a few of those a year but Pistons lions and wings have far out priced what I’m willing to spend

[zeebneeb]

I feel the exact same way about going to games. How can you beat watching a game from ideal viewing angles, all foods/drinks on tap, pausing the action for a bathroom break(or bringing your phone for no interruptions)and at exactly zero cost?

Now what does sweeten the deal to go to some games each year is that I have access to free parking, and shuttle to the arena thanks to a family hookup(thanks bro). It's fun to be at a game on great occasion, but going to a game more then once, maybe twice a year and give up all the convinces and big screen?

Nope.

[Manocad]

I’m with you there bro. Going to a live game just doesn’t have that appeal to anymore either. Couple that with how damn expensive it is, it’s just not worth it to me. Tigers game are outdoors and affordable so I’ll usually go to a few of those a year but Pistons lions and wings have far out priced what I’m willing to spend

Yeah, I don't mind "having" to go to Tigers games, so to speak. My company has four good seats we split with another company and I'm expected to take customers out except that my boss doesn't let me pick Friday, Saturday or Sunday games ("That's when people want to spend time with their families") or any Monday-Friday day games ("That's when people are working"). So I'm stuck with Monday through Thursday 7:00 games that end at 10 or so, so more or less if you're attending the game you can expect to be home around midnight. That generally doesn't entice many people who have to work the next day. So more often than not it's me, my coworkers and/or friends and I'll tell one or two of my customer friends who couldn't go that I'm going to put their name on any dinner/drinks receipts I turn in on my expense report (they don't care).

One of my really good friends is VP of sales at a big stamping company; for years I was a customer which is how we met and became buddies. They do a full blown Tigers Opening Day thing every year with prime rib/lobster lunch with open bar at Mario's before the game, then back to Mario's after the game for more food, open bar, and a prize raffle. I have a standing invitation to that which is awesome.

[Manocad]

:lol: I feel the exact same way about going to games. How can you beat watching a game from ideal viewing angles, all foods/drinks on tap, pausing the action for a bathroom break(or bringing your phone for no interruptions)and at exactly zero cost?

Now what does sweeten the deal to go to some games each year is that I have access to free parking, and shuttle to the arena thanks to a family hookup(thanks bro). It's fun to be at a game on great occasion, but going to a game more then once, maybe twice a year and give up all the convinces and big screen?

Nope.

Can't be beat. The only benefit missing for me is that roar of the crowd/comradery during a Michigan-Michigan State/Ohio State game or a division-winning/playoff game. Those obviously are few and far between and considering the effort you have to make, I'd rather invite a few buddies over and stay at home at this point.

[zeebneeb]

:lol: I feel the exact same way about going to games. How can you beat watching a game from ideal viewing angles, all foods/drinks on tap, pausing the action for a bathroom break(or bringing your phone for no interruptions)and at exactly zero cost?

Now what does sweeten the deal to go to some games each year is that I have access to free parking, and shuttle to the arena thanks to a family hookup(thanks bro). It's fun to be at a game on great occasion, but going to a game more then once, maybe twice a year and give up all the convinces and big screen?

Nope.

Can't be beat. The only benefit missing for me is that roar of the crowd/comradery during a Michigan-Michigan State/Ohio State game or a division-winning/playoff game. Those obviously are few and far between and considering the effort you have to make, I'd rather invite a few buddies over and stay at home at this point.

Yup, especially the bolded. No way in hell am I spending the money(I like very specific seats at the new arena, right on the rails mid-level where no one is in front of me, only below)and have to wear a mask.

How teams are going to attract people like me, and you to the arena (by us I mean people who are not super young, and have the money but don't like the hassle of it all)is going to be an interesting proposition. I mean, would you spend 3-600$ to wear a mask?

No way, no how.

[Manocad]

:lol: I feel the exact same way about going to games. How can you beat watching a game from ideal viewing angles, all foods/drinks on tap, pausing the action for a bathroom break(or bringing your phone for no interruptions)and at exactly zero cost?

Now what does sweeten the deal to go to some games each year is that I have access to free parking, and shuttle to the arena thanks to a family hookup(thanks bro). It's fun to be at a game on great occasion, but going to a game more then once, maybe twice a year and give up all the convinces and big screen?

Nope.

Can't be beat. The only benefit missing for me is that roar of the crowd/comradery during a Michigan-Michigan State/Ohio State game or a division-winning/playoff game. Those obviously are few and far between and considering the effort you have to make, I'd rather invite a few buddies over and stay at home at this point.

Yup, especially the bolded. No way in hell am I spending the money(I like very specific seats at the new arena, right on the rails mid-level where no one is in front of me, only below)and have to wear a mask.

How teams are going to attract people like me, and you to the arena (by us I mean people who are not super young, and have the money but don't like the hassle of it all)is going to be an interesting proposition. I mean, would you spend 3-600$ to wear a mask?

No way, no how.

No doubt. I'm not that old relatively speaking and I've got four years left to a 100% debt-free retirement which has actually made me really stingy. Spend literally hundreds of dollars and the effort/hassle to attend a game I can watch from home? Like you said...no way, no how.

It will be interesting to see how major sports adapt in the post-COVID world. I've long since gotten to the point where I don't really miss it; the cancellation of events last year combined with all of our local teams sucking anyway did it for me. Add in the fact that people of my generation are man-caving rather than attending games, and on top of that throw in a younger generation that seems to have far less interest in sports in general.

[edmunder_prc]

Can't be beat. The only benefit missing for me is that roar of the crowd/comradery during a Michigan-Michigan State/Ohio State game or a division-winning/playoff game. Those obviously are few and far between and considering the effort you have to make, I'd rather invite a few buddies over and stay at home at this point.

Yup, especially the bolded. No way in hell am I spending the money(I like very specific seats at the new arena, right on the rails mid-level where no one is in front of me, only below)and have to wear a mask.

How teams are going to attract people like me, and you to the arena (by us I mean people who are not super young, and have the money but don't like the hassle of it all)is going to be an interesting proposition. I mean, would you spend 3-600$ to wear a mask?

No way, no how.

No doubt. I'm not that old relatively speaking and I've got four years left to a 100% debt-free retirement which has actually made me really stingy. Spend literally hundreds of dollars and the effort/hassle to attend a game I can watch from home? Like you said...no way, no how.

It will be interesting to see how major sports adapt in the post-COVID world. I've long since gotten to the point where I don't really miss it; the cancellation of events last year combined with all of our local teams sucking anyway did it for me. Add in the fact that people of my generation are man-caving rather than attending games, and on top of that throw in a younger generation that seems to have far less interest in sports in general.

Its funny that there has to be this post-Covid world. Up in Northern MI the bowling alleys are PACKED Friday and Saturday with zero masks worn. There arent any outbreaks.

I have a friend in a major city in west side of the state who is a higher up in the EMT system there. He said no goes to the hospital anymore from Covid and there are basically zero covid deaths.

My other friend is a med student and he said that the big thing - I kid you not - has been putting covid patients on their stomach which gets the fluids out of the lungs better. So people arent dying - and thats on top of very few people being badly sick overall.

Like when I go to the bowling alley on a Friday night with friends, its 200 people without masks, drinking beer, eating onion rings, packed onto the lanes. A few friends come just to drink beer at the lane with us while 4 people bowl, or we switch out.

I just cant figure out how everywhere outside of GR and Detroit does whatever they want, but the big cities all follow this emperor has no clothes routine. We've been post-covid for a long time and once the state opened up restaurants and bowling alleys, places are packed with lines out the door, no masks anywhere.

[Manocad]

Yup, especially the bolded. No way in hell am I spending the money(I like very specific seats at the new arena, right on the rails mid-level where no one is in front of me, only below)and have to wear a mask.

How teams are going to attract people like me, and you to the arena (by us I mean people who are not super young, and have the money but don't like the hassle of it all)is going to be an interesting proposition. I mean, would you spend 3-600$ to wear a mask?

No way, no how.

No doubt. I'm not that old relatively speaking and I've got four years left to a 100% debt-free retirement which has actually made me really stingy. Spend literally hundreds of dollars and the effort/hassle to attend a game I can watch from home? Like you said...no way, no how.

It will be interesting to see how major sports adapt in the post-COVID world. I've long since gotten to the point where I don't really miss it; the cancellation of events last year combined with all of our local teams sucking anyway did it for me. Add in the fact that people of my generation are man-caving rather than attending games, and on top of that throw in a younger generation that seems to have far less interest in sports in general.

Its funny that there has to be this post-Covid world. Up in Northern MI the bowling alleys are PACKED Friday and Saturday with zero masks worn. There arent any outbreaks.

I have a friend in a major city in west side of the state who is a higher up in the EMT system there. He said no goes to the hospital anymore from Covid and there are basically zero covid deaths.

My other friend is a med student and he said that the big thing - I kid you not - has been putting covid patients on their stomach which gets the fluids out of the lungs better. So people arent dying - and thats on top of very few people being badly sick overall.

Like when I go to the bowling alley on a Friday night with friends, its 200 people without masks, drinking beer, eating onion rings, packed onto the lanes. A few friends come just to drink beer at the lane with us while 4 people bowl, or we switch out.

I just cant figure out how everywhere outside of GR and Detroit does whatever they want, but the big cities all follow this emperor has no clothes routine. We've been post-covid for a long time and once the state opened up restaurants and bowling alleys, places are packed with lines out the door, no masks anywhere.

I saw a graph the other day of the rates of new COVID cases per 100,000 people per day in masked/social distancing/limited capacity/curfew states vs completely open states and the two lines were literally almost on top of each other over the entire time period of the graph, which translates to masks/social distancing making no difference whatsoever. And that was using CDC and WHO data.

[Cowology]

While I 100% agree about the convenience of being able to watch games at home, it's still fun to go out sometimes. There is just a different atmosphere and energy about it. Not so much when your teams suck, but ya know....if they ever don't.

I'd definitely rather stay home for the most part, but if somebody gave me free tickets I'd go watch the Pistons at either the Palace or LCA. Assuming I didn't have laundry to do.