All-time Defensive tackle Discussion

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Post#1 » by NO-KG-AI » Mon May 7, 2007 1:09 am

Please read the general project page and post any related questions there. The current plan will be to let the discussion go 2 weeks with voting being open the last 4 days of that period. This may change however seeing as how this is a brand new board and it may take some time before awareness is where Doc would like it.

The all-time ranking list will be 15 players long.
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Post#2 » by NO-KG-AI » Mon May 7, 2007 1:09 am

Some key names everyone should consider along with accolades. Please don't feel limited by this list, but do utilize unless you are already aware of this information.

Sources:

archive.sportingnews.com/nfl/100/list-complete.html
hickoksports.com
pro-football-reference.com
databasefootball.com

Guys in TSN's Top 100:

Bob Lily
Rookie: 1961
TSN All-Time Ranking: 10
NFL All-Pro: 7 years
Pro Bowl: 11 years
Hall of Fame
All-1960s Decade Team

Joe Greene
Rookie: 1969
TSN All-Time Ranking: 14
Defensive Player of the Year: 2
NFL All-Pro: 5
Pro Bowl: 10
Hall of Fame
All-1970's Decade Team

Merlin Olsen
Rookie: 1962
TSN All-Time Ranking: 25
NFL All-Pro: 6
Pro Bowl 14
Hall of Fame
All-1960's Decade Team

Alan Page
Rookie:1967
Defensive Player of the Year: 1
TSN All-Time Ranking: 34
NFL All-Pro: 6
Pro Bowl: 9
Hall of Fame
All-1970's Decade Team

Randy White
Rookie: 1975
TSN All-Time Ranking: 51
NFL All-Pro: 8
Pro Bowl: 9
Hall of Fame
All-1980's Decade Team

Buck Buchanan
Rookie: 1963
TSN All-Time Ranking: 67
NFL All-Pro: 0
Pro Bowl: 8
Hall of Fame

Other notable Hall of Famers:

Leo Nomellini
Rookie: 1950
NFL All-Pro: 6
Pro Bowl: 10
Hall of Fame
All-1950's Decade Team

Henry Jordan
Rookie: 1957
NFL All-Pro: 5
Pro Bowl: 4
Hall of Fame

Art Donovan
Rookie: 1950
NFL All-Pro: 4
Pro Bowl: 5
Hall of Fame
All-1950's Decade Team

Dan Hampton
Rookie: 1979
NFL All-Pro: 3
Pro Bowl: 4
Hall of Fame
All-1980's Decade Team

Recent Players:

John Randle
Rookie: 1990
NFL All-Pro: 6
Pro Bowl: 7
All-1990's Decade Team

Warren Sapp
Rookie: 1995
Defensive Player of the Year: 1
NFL All-Pro: 4
Pro Bowl: 7
All-1990's Decade Team

Richard Seymour
Rookie: 2001
NFL All-Pro: 3
Pro Bowl: 5

Keith Millard
Rookie: 1985
Defensive Player of the Year: 1
NFL All-Pro: 2
Pro Bowl: 2
All-1980's Decade Team

Dana Stubblefield
Rookie: 1993
Defensive Player of the Year: 1
NFL All-Pro: 1
Pro Bowl: 3

Again, this is just to get the ball rolling, feel free to add anyone you think is deserving.
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Post#3 » by Doctor MJ » Mon May 7, 2007 2:00 am

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Post#4 » by NO-KG-AI » Mon May 7, 2007 3:58 am

I know their were better guys at eating space, and taking double teams, but was any DT as disruptive, and as good a penetrator as Sapp? I find it hard to believe, the guy was a monster.
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Post#5 » by Basketball Jesus » Mon May 7, 2007 8:00 pm

Even though I thoroughly dislike the man, Joe Klecko's name warrants mentioning here.
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Post#6 » by Basketball Jesus » Mon May 7, 2007 8:23 pm

A few other players to take into consideration:

La'Roi Glover (6 Pro Bowls, 71.5 career sacks, including league-leading 17.0 in 2000)

Jerry Ball (4 Pro Bowls, 32.5 career sacks, notable run-stuffer)

Alex Karras (Incredibly underrated, All-Decade team 1960s, considered by many to be HoF-worthy*, played George Papadopolis on Webster and Mongo in Blazing Saddles )

Cortez Kennedy (8 Pro Bowls, 58 career sacks, All-Decade team 1990s, considered one of the best of his generation)

Ernie Ladd (4 All Star/Pro Bowls in 8 seasons)

Eric Swann (considered somewhat of a disappointment, still he appeared in 2 Pro Bowls and racked up 48 career sacks)

Bryant Young (anchor of dominating Niners
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Post#7 » by Basketball Jesus » Mon May 7, 2007 8:29 pm

Really, for me, it
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Post#8 » by EG4life » Tue May 8, 2007 12:46 am

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Post#9 » by Icness » Fri May 18, 2007 7:53 pm

I think TSN actually got the top 3 right on with Lilly, Mean Joe Greene, and Merlin Olsen.

Randy White and Warren Sapp would be next on my list. I always found Page and Hampton to be overrated and beneficiaries of playing under defensive masterminds with great talent around them. I think Alex Karras was every bit as good as either of those guys but the NFL folks always kick him for his gambling suspension.

Cortez Kennedy, Jerry Ball, and Pat Williams are all the same basic player to me, though Kennedy was a better athlete and an impact player for a longer time.

And where is the love for my man Michael Dean Perry!?! 6 Pro Bowls that he played in and he missed 3 others due to injury. That's 9 Pro Bowls in a 10-year career, plus 5 All Pro teams and 1 DPOY. He's the guy the Texans are praying Mario Williams becomes, an oversized DE with enough power to move inside but enough speed to destroy guards and split double teams and make plays in the backfield.
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Post#10 » by Doctor MJ » Fri May 25, 2007 11:24 pm

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Post#11 » by Fatty » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:54 pm

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Post#12 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:01 am

1. Bob Lilly
2. Merlin Olsen
3. Joe Greene
4. Randy White
5. John Randle
6. Warren Sapp
7. Alan Page
8. Buck Buchanan
9. Leo Nomellini
10. Cortez Kennedy
11. Richard Seymour
12. Henry Jordan
13. Michael Dean Perry
14. Alex Karras
15. Dan Hampton
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Post#13 » by Basketball Jesus » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:19 pm

1. Bob Lilly
2. Merlin Olsen
3. Joe Greene
4. Randy White
5. John Randle
6. Alan Page
7. Warren Sapp
8. Alex Karras
9. Buck Buchanan
10. Cortez Kennedy
11. Leo Nomellini
12. Bryant Young
13. Dan Hampton
14. Art Donovan
15. Joe Klecko/La'Roi Glover
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Post#14 » by NO-KG-AI » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:58 am

The people have spoken, and the list looks like this.

The RealGM All-Time Defensive Tackle list:

1) Bob Lilly
2) Merlin Olsen
3) Joe Greene
4) Randy White
5) Warren Sapp
6) John Randle
7) Alan Page
8) Leo Nomellini
9) Buck Buchanan
10) Alex Karas
11) Cortez Kennedy
12) Bryant Young
13) Reggie White
14) Richard Seymour
15) Dan Hampton

Merlin Olsen and Joe Greene actually came down to one point in the voting system, tight race.

Thanks to everyone that contributed!
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