Game 30 GSW @ TOR

[floppymoose]

Kuminga is like Wiseman.

Offense is easy for them.... rebounding on the other hand considering how big they both are has been unimpressive.

Yeah his rebounding numbers were low … But I saw a lot of blocking out activity that led to rebounds - but his low rebounding numbers why I hope he can develop into a big 3 wing

So far this season, GSW rebounds better when Kuminga is on the court.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Too many people draw their conclusions from boxscores, socially rebounds. If the team is generally rebounding their opponents while on the floor, he must be doing something. Contesting, boxing out, tips etc..

Fir example, wiggs is often contesting shots out on the perimeter, so that doesnt exactly put him in good rebounding position. He also rarely gets the uncontested freebee rebounds. Klay is the same. 1 or 2 more uncontested rebounds and the narrative changes, but those boards are just taken from a teammate.

[squarepimpin]

I watched that game just to watch Kuminga v Barnes 2. After watching JK be the only nba starting caliber player on the GSW court - My frustrations of Kerr not creating consistent minutes out of Lee, Looney, JTA, Belly court time for JK …. Is more than Justified!!! G League will do very little for this kid moving forward …. Let him play 20 guaranteed every night - dammit!


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[SpreeChokeJob]

The thing I learned about this game was about how important the defenders were on this team like Draymond, Wiggins, and Iguodala. They are the reason why this team can win. It doesn’t matter if a team can put up points if the other team puts up twice as much. There was no way to overtake the other team because they couldn’t get any stops.

I was wondering why the other team could score so easily on Kuminga’s misses. It’s because he took himself out of the play on defense when he was shooting and there was no one back there. Kuminga was the only one that could lockdown since GP2 didn’t get a lot of minutes.

Kerr gave Chioza a challenge and he got wrecked by a non contending team.

[superunknown]

I still don't get why chioza is playing so many minutes. I get the point to play him when 4/5 of the starting line up+a couple of bench player are missing, I get even the point top let him start the game, but why give him so much time on the floor?

[xdrta+]

I still don't get why chioza is playing so many minutes. I get the point to play him when 4/5 of the starting line up+a couple of bench player are missing, I get even the point top let him start the game, but why give him so much time on the floor?

Well, he was the only point guard, besides Payton, who did you want to see there instead? It's not like they were going to win.

[HiRez]

I watched that game just to watch Kuminga v Barnes 2. After watching JK be the only nba starting caliber player on the GSW court - My frustrations of Kerr not creating consistent minutes out of Lee, Looney, JTA, Belly court time for JK …. Is more than Justified!!! G League will do very little for this kid moving forward …. Let him play 20 guaranteed every night - dammit!

Well I don't think he should get guaranteed minutes, but he definitely needs to be playing more than ~8 minutes per game. The reality is they still have a lot of mouths to feed and Kerr will want to keep everyone on the bench engaged.

It's going to get even worse (or better depending on how you look at it) when Klay and Wiseman are back. All the starters plus Poole, GPII, Iguodala, Porter, and Bjelica are going to continue to get playing time. Kuminga's minutes would have to come out of time for guys like Lee and JTA. Right now Kuminga is at 8.5 mpg, I don't see him able to get more than 12-15 anytime soon barring injuries. Maybe he could take some of Looney's minutes, but again, Wiseman will get the lion's share of those and I think Kerr still likes Looney as a steadying veteran influence who knows the system and his teammates so I don't see him getting cut out very much.

Bottom line is I don't see Kuminga finishing the year averaging more than maybe 14-15 mpg even though I would love to see more of him.

[marthafokker]

Iggy and Porter not gonna play back to back games. Kerr better give some of those minutes to Kuminga.

[The-Power]

Too many people draw their conclusions from boxscores, socially rebounds. If the team is generally rebounding their opponents while on the floor, he must be doing something. Contesting, boxing out, tips etc..

Is Kerr one of these people? Because he noted after the game that Kuminga can't just have one rebound in 36 minutes. I agree with your overall point in terms of team rebounding and roles (case in point: Klay's role in transition offense), but Kuminga definitely isn't as engaged on the boards as he could and should be. Raw on/off rebounding numbers are also really noisy and good numbers don't mean that everyone is doing as much as they could.

[HiRez]

Too many people draw their conclusions from boxscores, socially rebounds. If the team is generally rebounding their opponents while on the floor, he must be doing something. Contesting, boxing out, tips etc..

Is Kerr one of these people? Because he noted after the game that Kuminga can't just have one rebound in 36 minutes. I agree with your overall point in terms of team rebounding and roles (case in point: Klay's role in transition offense), but Kuminga definitely isn't as engaged on the boards as he could and should be. Raw on/off rebounding numbers are also really noisy and good numbers don't mean that everyone is doing as much as they could.

Unlike Wiseman, I din't see a lot of rebounds in Kuminga's immediate area that he either fumbled or didn't fight hard enough for, the ball was just bouncing the other way. But at the same time, I didn't see him attacking when a shot goes up either, he just kind of stood there and it some cases already started running down the floor before the shot was made or missed. Would like to see him move towards the rim because he's athletic enough to grab a lot of offensive boards and get putbacks.

[tarantism]

It seems to me like they are grooming Kuminga to be the natural successor to Draymond, but a bigger, stronger, faster, more lethal version. He can already switch on to nearly anybody and hold his own, and he's shown flashes of playmaking ability. He may never quite have the natural feel and anticipation of Dray, but he will create easy opportunities for others because he's so explosive.

That being said...is there any reason why he shouldn't just get backup 4 minutes going forward? He seems ready for those 14ish minutes per game right now, and that definitely seems ideal over other options like JTA. Let the kid play!

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[squarepimpin]

I watched that game just to watch Kuminga v Barnes 2. After watching JK be the only nba starting caliber player on the GSW court - My frustrations of Kerr not creating consistent minutes out of Lee, Looney, JTA, Belly court time for JK …. Is more than Justified!!! G League will do very little for this kid moving forward …. Let him play 20 guaranteed every night - dammit!

Well I don't think he should get guaranteed minutes, but he definitely needs to be playing more than ~8 minutes per game. The reality is they still have a lot of mouths to feed and Kerr will want to keep everyone on the bench engaged.

It's going to get even worse (or better depending on how you look at it) when Klay and Wiseman are back. All the starters plus Poole, GPII, Iguodala, Porter, and Bjelica are going to continue to get playing time. Kuminga's minutes would have to come out of time for guys like Lee and JTA. Right now Kuminga is at 8.5 mpg, I don't see him able to get more than 12-15 anytime soon barring injuries. Maybe he could take some of Looney's minutes, but again, Wiseman will get the lion's share of those and I think Kerr still likes Looney as a steadying veteran influence who knows the system and his teammates so I don't see him getting cut out very much.

Bottom line is I don't see Kuminga finishing the year averaging more than maybe 14-15 mpg even though I would love to see more of him.

Kerr routinely gives minutes to underperforming vets, vets that have poor match ups on given nights - A benefit of the doubt - JK after given minutes and played well after Kerr remarked he had an exceptional practice - JTA complains - JK has not gotten a significant look in a normal game since… JK needs to play period.


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[tarantism]

I watched that game just to watch Kuminga v Barnes 2. After watching JK be the only nba starting caliber player on the GSW court - My frustrations of Kerr not creating consistent minutes out of Lee, Looney, JTA, Belly court time for JK …. Is more than Justified!!! G League will do very little for this kid moving forward …. Let him play 20 guaranteed every night - dammit!

Well I don't think he should get guaranteed minutes, but he definitely needs to be playing more than ~8 minutes per game. The reality is they still have a lot of mouths to feed and Kerr will want to keep everyone on the bench engaged.

It's going to get even worse (or better depending on how you look at it) when Klay and Wiseman are back. All the starters plus Poole, GPII, Iguodala, Porter, and Bjelica are going to continue to get playing time. Kuminga's minutes would have to come out of time for guys like Lee and JTA. Right now Kuminga is at 8.5 mpg, I don't see him able to get more than 12-15 anytime soon barring injuries. Maybe he could take some of Looney's minutes, but again, Wiseman will get the lion's share of those and I think Kerr still likes Looney as a steadying veteran influence who knows the system and his teammates so I don't see him getting cut out very much.

Bottom line is I don't see Kuminga finishing the year averaging more than maybe 14-15 mpg even though I would love to see more of him.

Kerr routinely gives minutes to underperforming vets, vets that have poor match ups on given nights - A benefit of the doubt - JK after given minutes and played well after Kerr remarked he had an exceptional practice - JTA complains - JK has not gotten a significant look in a normal game since… JK needs to play period.


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was it reported that JTA complained?

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[squarepimpin]

Yes


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[shazam_guy]

So Kerr is an idiot for playing rookies last year and an idiot for not playing rookies this year? Last year when we were going nowhere? Versus this year when the goal is clearly to play for another championship?

You literally can't please all the people all the time. But Kerr can't please some of you any of the time.

[The-Power]

Yes


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Please cite your sources. As far as I know, JTA simply wasn't happy with not playing which... is exactly is what he should feel. But JTA came back into the rotation when the Warriors needed a spark in one of the games, played well and went on to play really good minutes for us over the stretch that followed (i.e. he earned to stay in the rotation). So it wasn't at all a ‘JTA complained and Kerr just gave in’ kind of situation whatsoever as you seem to insinuate, as far as I'm aware.

[tarantism]

“I think the only difficult part is having the desire to play. I love this game. It’s my life right here. I put so much effort and emotion into this game so I’ll just always want to play. But, at the end of the day, I’m an adult and I understand what my job and role is here on this team and I’m accepting of it. I can sit here and pout about it but what good is that going to do? It’s all about perspective,” JTA said (via Jason Dumas of Bleacher Report).

Seems like a good attitude to me. JTA is playing poorly right now but off the cuff i feel like he got back into the rotation by impacting games.

[squarepimpin]

So Kerr is an idiot for playing rookies last year and an idiot for not playing rookies this year? Last year when we were going nowhere? Versus this year when the goal is clearly to play for another championship?

You literally can't please all the people all the time. But Kerr can't please some of you any of the time.

I wanted Wiseman to play … all season last season because he needed playing time and we were not going anywhere. Kerr I thought was right on that …. That ain’t me. I thought Wise was getting better before he got injured… So save that for someone else homie…. I am saying this kid JK DESERVES … to play. Even on a team competing for something. His potential and his in game production warrant home taking minutes away from Lee, Belly, and depending on match up JTA.


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[KevinMcreynolds]

Chiozza got absolutely murdered by FVV

A two-way scrub playing against an excellent NBA vet. Shocker.

Exactly, a “two-way scrub.” Even worse, a two-way scrub with no upside. Why does he play?

[KevinMcreynolds]

even Dowtin looks better