Who starts?

[clyde21]

If everyone hits the highest ceiling is

Steph
Moses
Wiggins
JK
Draymond

that should probably be our new death lineup

[Anderson Hunt]

If everyone hits the highest ceiling is

Steph
Moses
Wiggins
JK
Draymond

that should probably be our new death lineup

That lineup needs another ball handler/facilitator.

The Warriors should've traded anyone of Kuminga, Podzeimski, Wiggins, Looney, and/or Payton for Towns and signed Fultz on the cheap to be a tall, defensive, athletic, facilitating foil to Curry in the backcourt.

[Anderson Hunt]

If everyone hits the highest ceiling is

Steph
Moses
Wiggins
JK
Draymond

that should probably be our new death lineup

That lineup needs another ball handler/facilitator.

The Warriors should've traded anyone of Kuminga, Podzeimski, Wiggins, Looney, and/or Payton for Towns and signed Fultz on the cheap to be a tall, defensive, athletic, facilitating foil to Curry in the backcourt.

[EvanZ]

If everyone hits the highest ceiling is

Steph
Moses
Wiggins
JK
Draymond

that should probably be our new death lineup

That lineup needs another ball handler/facilitator.

The Warriors should've traded anyone of Kuminga, Podzeimski, Wiggins, Looney, and/or Payton for Towns and signed Fultz on the cheap to be a tall, defensive, athletic, facilitating foil to Curry in the backcourt.

Agree to disagree on that point. I think Moody has made a big enough leap there that it's a moot point with respect to this lineup. Kerr might agree with you for sure though.

[clyde21]

If everyone hits the highest ceiling is

Steph
Moses
Wiggins
JK
Draymond

that should probably be our new death lineup

That lineup needs another ball handler/facilitator.

The Warriors should've traded anyone of Kuminga, Podzeimski, Wiggins, Looney, and/or Payton for Towns and signed Fultz on the cheap to be a tall, defensive, athletic, facilitating foil to Curry in the backcourt.

why? there are already two in that lineup with Steph/Dray, maybe even 3 if Joku continues to progress in that department. i don't see the need for another ball handler in there.

even in the original death lineup the ball handlers were primarily Iggy/Dray, while Steph/Klay/Barnes were off-ball. you're essentially just keeping the ball in Steph's hands instead of Iggy and replacing Barnes with Wiggy and Klay with Moody.

[vvoland]

that should probably be our new death lineup

That lineup needs another ball handler/facilitator.

The Warriors should've traded anyone of Kuminga, Podzeimski, Wiggins, Looney, and/or Payton for Towns and signed Fultz on the cheap to be a tall, defensive, athletic, facilitating foil to Curry in the backcourt.

why? there are already two in that lineup with Steph/Dray, maybe even 3 if Joku continues to progress in that department. i don't see the need for another ball handler in there.

even in the original death lineup the ball handlers were primarily Iggy/Dray, while Steph/Klay/Barnes were off-ball. you're essentially just keeping the ball in Steph's hands instead of Iggy and replacing Barnes with Wiggy and Klay with Moody.

Between Steph, Dray, Melton, SloMo, Podz, and JK we have enough people that can create for themselves and/or others. If we decide to consolidate and make a big move mid-season, I really do hope it's for a stretch 5, not a backup PG who'll never play.

[DonaldSanders]

I'd love to see Steve try a small ball lineup of:

Steph
Melton
Moody
Wiggins
Dray

Best defensive small lineup filled with 3P shooters (Dray is not bad open) and Melton can do some ball handling (and Moses a bit). Heck even Wiggins can bring the ball up if Curry is being swarmed.

[Nvnervous45]

I agree, moody is not a ball mover or facilitator. He reminds me of rod Higgins, but I don't think he jumps melton or podz in the closer role. The offense will be too one-dimension with dray as the only ball mover.

[whatisacenter]

I wanted

Steph
Moody
Wiggins
Kuminga
TJD

But I will settle for

Steph
Wiggins
Kuminga
Draymond
TJD

[CDM_Stats]

I'd love to see Steve try a small ball lineup of:

Steph
Melton
Moody
Wiggins
Dray

Best defensive small lineup filled with 3P shooters (Dray is not bad open) and Melton can do some ball handling (and Moses a bit). Heck even Wiggins can bring the ball up if Curry is being swarmed.

I know a lot is said about shooters, but there's not a single full-time PG on the roster. Its important to have handling, and this lineup has at least 3 guys who can do it part time, and then there's Moody. Wiggins doesnt factor in

But more importantly, the teams that dont have that kind of playmaker are typically among the most stagnant or turnover prone in the league. The ones that execute well are better in halfcourt sets than not, which is not the W's strength. Team would do very well to turn GP2 into an actual PG, and I'd be fine with adding TJD onto him to get there. Realistically, I dont think there's a fit/salary match out there for a PG, so I'd be fine with a 2 for 1 deal that added enough space for a vet PG that can drive. Otherwise, anyone who can drive becomes way more valuable (handles be damned) and that will make JK's agent very happy

[CDM_Stats]

I wanted

Steph
Moody
Wiggins
Kuminga
TJD

But I will settle for

Steph
Wiggins
Kuminga
Draymond
TJD

Why? What does he bring to the table better than Looney or SloMo? He's in good favor with fans because he scratched an itch due to poor scoring last year and was part of a very mediocre defense.. he's as expendable as it gets and is one of few cheap players that could realistically be dealt in a consolidation trade

[whatisacenter]

I wanted

Steph
Moody
Wiggins
Kuminga
TJD

But I will settle for

Steph
Wiggins
Kuminga
Draymond
TJD

Why? What does he bring to the table better than Looney or SloMo? He's in good favor with fans because he scratched an itch due to poor scoring last year and was part of a very mediocre defense.. he's as expendable as it gets and is one of few cheap players that could realistically be dealt in a consolidation trade

FIne, I'm fine swapping out TJD for Loon. I prefer TJD's vertical spacing and rim protection but Loon has a better track record defending away from the rim.

[CDM_Stats]

I wanted

Steph
Moody
Wiggins
Kuminga
TJD

But I will settle for

Steph
Wiggins
Kuminga
Draymond
TJD

Why? What does he bring to the table better than Looney or SloMo? He's in good favor with fans because he scratched an itch due to poor scoring last year and was part of a very mediocre defense.. he's as expendable as it gets and is one of few cheap players that could realistically be dealt in a consolidation trade

FIne, I'm fine swapping out TJD for Loon. I prefer TJD's vertical spacing and rim protection but Loon has a better track record defending away from the rim.

I think TJD would do better w/backups anyways for the reasons you point out... team is no longer talented enough to run the exact same defense when Dray and Steph sit. Becomes more traditional, maybe even a drop coverage defense, where TJD could focus on rim protection and have it be more impactful. But I really do think SloMo is going to take over a giant chunk of his role unless he gets a lot better with his awareness and committing to his actions, or the offense sputters again and he's needed as a lob threat. I think the latter is a lot more possible than most think.. the offense looks like a house of cards to me

[clyde21]

I agree, moody is not a ball mover or facilitator. He reminds me of rod Higgins, but I don't think he jumps melton or podz in the closer role. The offense will be too one-dimension with dray as the only ball mover.

i don't understand this sentiment, we didn't require any ball moving or facilitation from Klay or Wiggy, Moody slots in perfectly in this capacity theoretically as a 3+D guy. out of everyone on the roster it seems to me that Moody fits the Klay role best. and i'm not even talking about prime Klay but even 2022 Klay would be enough.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I agree, moody is not a ball mover or facilitator. He reminds me of rod Higgins, but I don't think he jumps melton or podz in the closer role. The offense will be too one-dimension with dray as the only ball mover.

i don't understand this sentiment, we didn't require any ball moving or facilitation from Klay or Wiggy, Moody slots in perfectly in this capacity theoretically as a 3+D guy. out of everyone on the roster it seems to me that Moody fits the Klay role best. and i'm not even talking about prime Klay but even 2022 Klay would be enough.

I'm guessing moody has been klays understudy for years. He's moving better off ball and his on ball defense looks good that I think he is better than jk. He takes better angles and knows how to navigate screens to stay with his man. Him at poa (with his added offensive aggression) would allow wiggins and dray to focus on help. I'd love to see more of that trio.

[Onus]

Hopefully our closing 5 is Curry/Moody/JK/Wiggins/Dray

[TB]

Who our 11/12/13th men are almost seems more important than who slots into the starting 2/3/5 spots.

To me, that clearly should be Trayce, GP2, Waters at this point. Nothing against them, but they can provide perfect depth if anyone is out or in foul trouble while the other 10 are the "main" rotation.

I like all these 10 players (and the 3 above), so whatever lineups and rotations gets to a minutes breakdown of this I'd love:

Steph - 28
Kuminga - 28
Dray - 26
Podz - 26
Melton - 24
Wiggins - 24
Moody - 24
Buddy - 20
Kyle - 20
Looney - 20

It's very much a Hubie Brown / Pop / Euroleague type minutes breakdown, but I think that's needed with this deep of a team and the age of Steph/Dray. And don't get too caught up on the exact ranking there, point is everyone above 20 and nobody over 30... let it land however based on performance.

[EvanZ]

I think we have to have only one of TJD or Looney in the rotation. I don't really care which one tbh.

I'm also very curious now that Opening Night is getting closer whether Wiggins starts or comes off the bench. That is going to be a fascinating decision from Kerr.

[CDM_Stats]

Who our 11/12/13th men are almost seems more important than who slots into the starting 2/3/5 spots.

To me, that clearly should be Trayce, GP2, Waters at this point. Nothing against them, but they can provide perfect depth if anyone is out or in foul trouble while the other 10 are the "main" rotation.

I like all these 10 players (and the 3 above), so whatever lineups and rotations gets to a minutes breakdown of this I'd love:

Steph - 28
Kuminga - 28
Dray - 26
Podz - 26
Melton - 24
Wiggins - 24
Moody - 24
Buddy - 20
Kyle - 20
Looney - 20

It's very much a Hubie Brown / Pop / Euroleague type minutes breakdown, but I think that's needed with this deep of a team and the age of Steph/Dray. And don't get too caught up on the exact ranking there, point is everyone above 20 and nobody over 30... let it land however based on performance.

I would love this, but I do think they will shoehorn minutes in for GP2 and TJD at the expense of Looney and Moody. The TJD/Looney minutes could and maybe should be split up based on matchups and whats needed on the court, but Kerr doesnt seem to be amenable to that. And then Moody? At this point it feels kinda like being in a bad relationship.. "but he's really changed this time!"

I'm not expecting much, and I'm certainly not expecting them to run any plays for Moody like they have this PS. But who knows.. Moody's own team might be negotiating a MLE deal to stay. Nothing about this makes any sense

[CDM_Stats]

I'm thinking it looks like this, even though I'd **** hate it

Curry (32) / Podz (16)
Melton (28) / Podz (10) / Hield (10)
Wiggins (28) / Hield (10) / GP2 (10)
Kuminga (32) / Dray (8) / SloMo (8)
Draymond (24) / SloMo (12) / TJD (12)

Moody, Looney, and Waters off the bench

Way I see it:
- Podz is locked into at least 20-24mpg as the lone backup handling guard
- Hield was just recently called a 6th man
- GP2 is locked into getting minutes because he was very impactful 3 years ago
- SloMo locked into minutes because can't sign someone to a multi-year contract and not play them
- TJD over Looney because he's got 1 extra year of cost control and I honestly dont think Kerr can tell the difference between them

And very much looking forward to more people pushing for Wiggins at SG and Kuminga at SF despite how bad these ideas are.. I'm wagering its the same folks who keep arguing for plodding Cs the entire time. 10+ years with these systems that cater to Curry and they still dont get it