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BW32 wrote:Don't see Barnes beign traded for anything untill maybe his last cheap rookie contract year. Having said that Dragic would solve alot of issues for us.
RiiS wrote:Jester_ wrote:Dragic + Lakers 1 would be snazzy. Throw in the good Morris if your GM sucks.
Haha Dragic and Lakers 1 would definitely be something I would strongly consider. Our GM doesn't suck so twins, Dragic, and Lakers is obviously a bit much.
Trading for Barnes is something I would probably wait until mid season to do. If the Suns continue to shock everyone and play. 500 ball or better, then our plan of tanking obviously isn't working out. At that point it would be obvious that Wiggins won't happen so I would try to grab a stud like Barnes.
Does anybody know if it is possible for the Suns to trade the Lakers pick but make it top 5 protected, even though it is unprotected for Phoenix? If we could do that, I would trade Dragic, top 5 protected LAL pick, and a 2nd round pick for Barnes in a heartbeat.
ChuckDurn wrote:RiiS wrote:Jester_ wrote:Dragic + Lakers 1 would be snazzy. Throw in the good Morris if your GM sucks.
Haha Dragic and Lakers 1 would definitely be something I would strongly consider. Our GM doesn't suck so twins, Dragic, and Lakers is obviously a bit much.
Trading for Barnes is something I would probably wait until mid season to do. If the Suns continue to shock everyone and play. 500 ball or better, then our plan of tanking obviously isn't working out. At that point it would be obvious that Wiggins won't happen so I would try to grab a stud like Barnes.
Does anybody know if it is possible for the Suns to trade the Lakers pick but make it top 5 protected, even though it is unprotected for Phoenix? If we could do that, I would trade Dragic, top 5 protected LAL pick, and a 2nd round pick for Barnes in a heartbeat.
I'd be interested in getting Dragic over to the Warriors; the salaries don't work directly, but given the trade exceptions that we have as a result of the deals with Utah, I assume there'd be a way to fit him in. However, I think it would put us into luxury tax territory, which the ownership may not want.
I'd consider doing something like the following (would have to wait until Speights could be traded):
Barnes + Speights + Kuzmic for Dragic + Marcus Morris + (better of Wizards or Grizzlies #1s) + 2015 #1 (top 10-protected)
To be clear, if both the Wizards and Grizzlies make the playoffs, then we would end up with the better of the 2 picks. If only one of them makes it, then we get that pick (rather than having it carry over into next year). My guess is that both teams will make the playoffs, with the Wizards ending up with one of the last couple of Eastern Conference spots, so that pick might end up around #15.
That seems like a lot for Barnes..... but he could be a special player, far and away the best of the rest of the assets here, so it's going to cost a good amount to get him.
DLeagueAllStars wrote:I would trade nothing close to that for barnes...
A highly minimal protected 2014 pick is the starting point... Until thats on the table dont even begin discussions
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RiiS wrote:ChuckDurn wrote:RiiS wrote:Haha Dragic and Lakers 1 would definitely be something I would strongly consider. Our GM doesn't suck so twins, Dragic, and Lakers is obviously a bit much.
Trading for Barnes is something I would probably wait until mid season to do. If the Suns continue to shock everyone and play. 500 ball or better, then our plan of tanking obviously isn't working out. At that point it would be obvious that Wiggins won't happen so I would try to grab a stud like Barnes.
Does anybody know if it is possible for the Suns to trade the Lakers pick but make it top 5 protected, even though it is unprotected for Phoenix? If we could do that, I would trade Dragic, top 5 protected LAL pick, and a 2nd round pick for Barnes in a heartbeat.
I'd be interested in getting Dragic over to the Warriors; the salaries don't work directly, but given the trade exceptions that we have as a result of the deals with Utah, I assume there'd be a way to fit him in. However, I think it would put us into luxury tax territory, which the ownership may not want.
I'd consider doing something like the following (would have to wait until Speights could be traded):
Barnes + Speights + Kuzmic for Dragic + Marcus Morris + (better of Wizards or Grizzlies #1s) + 2015 #1 (top 10-protected)
To be clear, if both the Wizards and Grizzlies make the playoffs, then we would end up with the better of the 2 picks. If only one of them makes it, then we get that pick (rather than having it carry over into next year). My guess is that both teams will make the playoffs, with the Wizards ending up with one of the last couple of Eastern Conference spots, so that pick might end up around #15.
That seems like a lot for Barnes..... but he could be a special player, far and away the best of the rest of the assets here, so it's going to cost a good amount to get him.
So I'm guessing that Speights and Kuzmic are negative values? I don't see why the Suns would want their multi year deals so I think that deal is lopsided. Also, I feel like it would not be in the best interest of either team to trade just one of the Morris twins. They are the definition of a package deal. They are the closest twins on the planet and if one of them got traded it would hurt the attitude of both of them.
I would counter with Dragic and Green (who again, is actually a good player now believe it or not) along with the Pacers pick, our 2015 lottery protected, and our 2015 2nd for Barnes and if you must include Speights or Kuzmic for luxury cap reasons then so be it.
This trade works according to trade machine because of trade exceptions.
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