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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2101 » by GQ Hot Dog » Tue Sep 1, 2020 5:31 am

Mav_Carter wrote:Do you like Williams over Vassell?


I do like Williams more than Vassell although I like Vassell a lot. Williams is a full year younger than Vassell and is a lot further along than Vassell was a year ago. FlaSt was a deep team this year yet Williams played 22.5 mpg, 4th most on the team as a freshman even though he didn't start a single game.

If Williams stayed in school he would have had a huge season next year but clearly someone told him he was a shoe-in for the lottery which tells me NBA scouts recognize the talent. I think he'll get taken in the 4-8 range.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2102 » by Scoots1994 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 3:21 pm

CBS mock today has the Warriors doing that deal with the Knicks and taking Avdija with the #8. That would be great but a little optimistic that he'll be there at 8.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2103 » by Mav_Carter » Tue Sep 1, 2020 3:56 pm

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Mav_Carter wrote:Do you like Williams over Vassell?


I do like Williams more than Vassell although I like Vassell a lot. Williams is a full year younger than Vassell and is a lot further along than Vassell was a year ago. FlaSt was a deep team this year yet Williams played 22.5 mpg, 4th most on the team as a freshman even though he didn't start a single game.

If Williams stayed in school he would have had a huge season next year but clearly someone told him he was a shoe-in for the lottery which tells me NBA scouts recognize the talent. I think he'll get taken in the 4-8 range.


Is Williams an elite athlete? What makes Kawhi special is he's an elite athlete with elite strength...it's hard for me to tell with Williams...he looks fluid but I can't tell how explosive he is...
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2104 » by Mylie10 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 4:44 pm

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Mav_Carter wrote:Do you like Williams over Vassell?


I do like Williams more than Vassell although I like Vassell a lot. Williams is a full year younger than Vassell and is a lot further along than Vassell was a year ago. FlaSt was a deep team this year yet Williams played 22.5 mpg, 4th most on the team as a freshman even though he didn't start a single game.

If Williams stayed in school he would have had a huge season next year but clearly someone told him he was a shoe-in for the lottery which tells me NBA scouts recognize the talent. I think he'll get taken in the 4-8 range.


Is Williams an elite athlete? What makes Kawhi special is he's an elite athlete with elite strength...it's hard for me to tell with Williams...he looks fluid but I can't tell how explosive he is...


So when I was pushing for Kawhi in the Klay draft, I was very impressed with his assists and his leadership on the SD state team. His coach was the old Michigan coach, can’t remember his name, but he revered Kawhi and it made me look further into Kawhi’s backstory. After watching a great story done on him, it really solidified my stance on him being a player. Then of course at the combine, we got to see his gigantic hand measurements. Guys with hands like that are usually successful, see; Webber and Dr. J.

But Kawhi was a special two way player even in college. And while Williams may grow into becoming a player like that, we obviously can’t just assume it. It’s always made me wonder why he wasn’t way higher on draft boards because those draft sites love freshmen.

I think the Leonard Hamilton teams hurt some of the NBA guys a little bit because he literally runs a 10 man rotation. So the good players can’t log huge minutes and puff up their stats like Edwards has. If you asked me Williams versus Edwards, I’d probably go Williams. But I wouldn’t draft him at 2.....I wouldn’t because of feeling like I could get an asset by falling back and still get him if I really thought he was the choice.

He looks good though, and he has the prototypical size you want. I don’t know if he’s an elite athlete, but he’s a good enough athlete that I wouldn’t worry about it. The question for me is if he will be able to shoot it. He looks like he can, but in the pros, you just don’t know.

I really like the trade down wings we could get. There are several dudes who we can plug into that bench and really help our depth. I think most of them would carve out a spot right away, and not need to spend time going back and forth from Santa Cruz.

However, I know you guys are tired of me saying it, but Wiseman is the best player in this draft.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2105 » by Mav_Carter » Tue Sep 1, 2020 4:49 pm

you like Patrick Williams > Anthony Edwards?
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Post#2106 » by Mylie10 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 4:50 pm

Mav_Carter wrote:you like Patrick Williams > Anthony Edwards?


From a mental standpoint mostly. Nobody should be doubting Edwards physical traits. It’s between the ears where he scares me.
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Post#2107 » by Mav_Carter » Tue Sep 1, 2020 4:51 pm

Edwards physical skills are as good as any SG since MJ...I think he was bored in college...
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Post#2108 » by Mylie10 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 4:53 pm

Mav_Carter wrote:Edwards physical skills are as good as any SG since MJ...I think he was bored in college...


Could be but listening to him talk doesn’t inspire confidence. He sounds as dumb as a bow of rocks.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2109 » by Mav_Carter » Tue Sep 1, 2020 4:54 pm

He said he was bored in college and didn't play up to his potential...I like his honesty...
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2110 » by wco81 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 5:13 pm

One thing to keep in mind is that teams which normally have draft picks at the top of the draft are trying to find at least all-star or potential franchise players in a strong draft.

GSW is mostly looking for a solid role player who can contribute right away? Or they can if they think the core is still going to be able to contend for titles.

Or would GSW see this as a unique opportunity that they may not get again for at least half a decade and they want to go for the highest ceiling possible?

Go for a good solid single or double or for the HR?
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Post#2111 » by Mav_Carter » Tue Sep 1, 2020 5:37 pm

Edwards is the only HR in the draft...there's a Kevin Pelton on ESPN today about the Knicks moving up to 1 to take LaMelo...

NYK get #1 from Minn
Minn gets #6 from Atl + 2021 top 3 protected from NYK
All gets #8 + #27

I'd love for that to happen and see Edwards drop to us...this is also why Minn can't show their hand...if NYK believe they'll take Edwards and call their bluff, we could get that same package which I'd prefer to keeping the pick if Edwards is gone...
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Post#2112 » by KevinMcreynolds » Tue Sep 1, 2020 7:51 pm

gonna be the most Knicksy thing ever if they sell the farm to get Labusty
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2113 » by Scoots1994 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 7:52 pm

Mav_Carter wrote:Edwards is the only HR in the draft...there's a Kevin Pelton on ESPN today about the Knicks moving up to 1 to take LaMelo...

NYK get #1 from Minn
Minn gets #6 from Atl + 2021 top 3 protected from NYK
All gets #8 + #27

I'd love for that to happen and see Edwards drop to us...this is also why Minn can't show their hand...if NYK believe they'll take Edwards and call their bluff, we could get that same package which I'd prefer to keeping the pick if Edwards is gone...


Edwards is no HR. He's got just as many questions as anybody else.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2114 » by Mav_Carter » Tue Sep 1, 2020 8:05 pm

Physically, Edwards is the most talented SG to enter the draft since MJ...the only questions about him are desire and feel...both of those things can be fixed...
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2115 » by DAWill1128 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 8:38 pm

I wouldn't take a low ceiling instant role player with the #2 pick. It's so hard to get a top 2 pick. Amazingly even with the number of bad years we had pre-West the last time we picked in the top 5 was in 2002 with Mike Dunleavy. Peja was destroying teams from outside and was right up the road and I think that was the hope behind Dunleavy.

But the last time we picked in the top 2 was in 1995, it's not often. Look at the Knicks annual draft position disappointment. Just looking at that 1995 draft it's fascinating that we went 1st and yet the next four picks were all all-stars. That would be rough if we got a role player and next four guys chosen after became all-stars.
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Post#2116 » by Little Digger » Tue Sep 1, 2020 8:42 pm

I have Edwards now #7 on my BIG BOARD ..he moved up after he was so honest about his turd season
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2117 » by superunknown » Tue Sep 1, 2020 8:58 pm

so, if I understand well, according to most of this board the top 3 prospects in the upcoming draft (ball, edwards, wiseman) are 3 bust.
not 1 of them, not 2 of them, but all 3 of them.
on the other hand, guys like avdija, williams, vessel, okongwu, toppin, haliburton, okoro, etc. are safer picks/better picks.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2118 » by Mav_Carter » Tue Sep 1, 2020 9:03 pm

DAWill1128 wrote:I wouldn't take a low ceiling instant role player with the #2 pick. It's so hard to get a top 2 pick. Amazingly even with the number of bad years we had pre-West the last time we picked in the top 5 was in 2002 with Mike Dunleavy. Peja was destroying teams from outside and was right up the road and I think that was the hope behind Dunleavy.

But the last time we picked in the top 2 was in 1995, it's not often. Look at the Knicks annual draft position disappointment. Just looking at that 1995 draft it's fascinating that we went 1st and yet the next four picks were all all-stars. That would be rough if we got a role player and next four guys chosen after became all-stars.


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2000: Stromile Swift
2001: Tyson chandler
2002: Jay Williams
2003: Darko Miličić
2004: Emeka Okafor
2005: Marvin Williams
2006: LaMarcus Aldridge
2007: Kevin Durant
2008: Michael Beasley
2009: Hasheem Thabeet
2010: Evan Turner
2011: Derrick Williams
2012: MKG
2013: Victor Oladipo
2014: Jabari Parker
2015: DLo
2016: Brandon Ingram
2017: Lonzo Ball
2018: Marvin Bagley
2019: Ja Morant

Just total crap besides KD...trade the pick for the magical 7 slot...
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2119 » by vetmin » Tue Sep 1, 2020 9:12 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
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I do like Williams more than Vassell although I like Vassell a lot. Williams is a full year younger than Vassell and is a lot further along than Vassell was a year ago. FlaSt was a deep team this year yet Williams played 22.5 mpg, 4th most on the team as a freshman even though he didn't start a single game.

If Williams stayed in school he would have had a huge season next year but clearly someone told him he was a shoe-in for the lottery which tells me NBA scouts recognize the talent. I think he'll get taken in the 4-8 range.


Is Williams an elite athlete? What makes Kawhi special is he's an elite athlete with elite strength...it's hard for me to tell with Williams...he looks fluid but I can't tell how explosive he is...


So when I was pushing for Kawhi in the Klay draft, I was very impressed with his assists and his leadership on the SD state team. His coach was the old Michigan coach, can’t remember his name, but he revered Kawhi and it made me look further into Kawhi’s backstory. After watching a great story done on him, it really solidified my stance on him being a player. Then of course at the combine, we got to see his gigantic hand measurements. Guys with hands like that are usually successful, see; Webber and Dr. J.

But Kawhi was a special two way player even in college. And while Williams may grow into becoming a player like that, we obviously can’t just assume it. It’s always made me wonder why he wasn’t way higher on draft boards because those draft sites love freshmen.

I think the Leonard Hamilton teams hurt some of the NBA guys a little bit because he literally runs a 10 man rotation. So the good players can’t log huge minutes and puff up their stats like Edwards has. If you asked me Williams versus Edwards, I’d probably go Williams. But I wouldn’t draft him at 2.....I wouldn’t because of feeling like I could get an asset by falling back and still get him if I really thought he was the choice.

He looks good though, and he has the prototypical size you want. I don’t know if he’s an elite athlete, but he’s a good enough athlete that I wouldn’t worry about it. The question for me is if he will be able to shoot it. He looks like he can, but in the pros, you just don’t know.

I really like the trade down wings we could get. There are several dudes who we can plug into that bench and really help our depth. I think most of them would carve out a spot right away, and not need to spend time going back and forth from Santa Cruz.

However, I know you guys are tired of me saying it, but Wiseman is the best player in this draft.


Im lower on Wiseman than you (still like him though) but agree on Williams. Would you take Williams over Vassell (and Saddiq Bey) too? I would. Trading down and picking Williams at #7-9 is where Ive settled in terms of ideal draft outcomes


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Re: 2020 Draft Thread 

Post#2120 » by Mav_Carter » Tue Sep 1, 2020 9:14 pm

Williams seems like the type of prospect that'll shoot up the board as we get close to the draft...6'8, 225, with a 6'11 wingspan...all he needs to do is show that he can palm the ball and clear 40 on the vert...

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