Welcome back GP2!!

[Old_Blue]

Meanwhile, in Detroit, 19 year old Jalen Duren's response to the trade was to put up 30 points, 17 boards and 4 blocks tonight. It was the 20th time in 48 career games that Duren has posted at least 10 rebounds in a game. In Wiseman's 60 career games, he has posted at least 10 rebounds all of 3 times. If the deal goes through, Wiseman will have gone from the frying pan into the fire.

I watched the end of that game, and Detroit looks WAY more physical than anything that JW is used to... Unless I'm missing something, he'll never play there either -- at least this year. He doesn't bang at all.

It’ll be good for him cuz he needs to face that physicality and learn that’s what he needs to bring. It won’t be overnight obviously but in a couple of years it’ll be good for him to see and face. We really had no one for him physically. One of his biggest weaknesses.

You can't teach a guy to be a dawg. You just can't. That's why the mental aspect of the player you're drafting is at least equal to the physical aspect. One of the first big red flags regarding Wiseman was his quitting on his Memphis college team after only 3 games played. I don't think he's just averse to contact. At some level, I think he's averse to playing. That's the antithesis of a dawg.

[azwfan]

does anyone know what can be adjusted, if at all? can the warriors keep bey or knox and the 5 seconds? or can only the portion with the blazers and warriors be adjusted?

Blazer fan here. If any of the worst reports are true GS should be awarded an unprotected first from Portland or at least the 23 knicks first and keep the seconds but hopefully Portland didn't cover things up like that. If it is a cover up Cronin needs to be fired asap

Not sure what the worst reports were, so tough to know what the penalty should be, but definitely wouldnt mind an extra 1st. We suck this year so a little more excitement come draft time would be great.

Before reading the Monte Poole quote I thought we would take 2-3 2nds out or rescind the whole trade. Now, well, how often is Monte right? I just cant see the value in getting an injured guy.

[The-Power]

One of the first big red flags regarding Wiseman was his quitting on his Memphis college team after only 3 games played. I don't think he's just averse to contact. At some level, I think he's averse to playing.

He ‘quit’ after he was suspended for 12 games by the NCAA. He then had to make a decision: come back later in the season or prepare for the draft. I can't fault anyone for opting for the latter in his case. It was a messed up situation all around.

There's also clear a difference between being averse to contact and being averse to playing. Plenty of players avoid contact but love playing. Wiseman may be averse to contact, or rather certain kinds of contact because he can be physical at times, but the genuine excitement he showed just because he was able to play in the G-League again after injury – where he also played with much more effort than Kuminga ever did – absolutely does not suggest that he dislikes playing basketball.

[B-King]

The Wiseman issue at Memphis was just unfortunate. You can't expect him to do otherwise being a potential top 3 pick. If he was my kid I would have had him do the same and just prepare for the draft.

There is no point relitigating that his family shouldn't have taken the money to relocate. This behind the scenes stuff happens all the time. No point arguing about how that all should have played out differently.

[Big J]

I watched the end of that game, and Detroit looks WAY more physical than anything that JW is used to... Unless I'm missing something, he'll never play there either -- at least this year. He doesn't bang at all.

It’ll be good for him cuz he needs to face that physicality and learn that’s what he needs to bring. It won’t be overnight obviously but in a couple of years it’ll be good for him to see and face. We really had no one for him physically. One of his biggest weaknesses.

You can't teach a guy to be a dawg. You just can't. That's why the mental aspect of the player you're drafting is at least equal to the physical aspect. One of the first big red flags regarding Wiseman was his quitting on his Memphis college team after only 3 games played. I don't think he's just averse to contact. At some level, I think he's averse to playing. That's the antithesis of a dawg.

He’s no dawg, but he is a dog.

[PDXKnight]

does anyone know what can be adjusted, if at all? can the warriors keep bey or knox and the 5 seconds? or can only the portion with the blazers and warriors be adjusted?

Blazer fan here. If any of the worst reports are true GS should be awarded an unprotected first from Portland or at least the 23 knicks first and keep the seconds but hopefully Portland didn't cover things up like that. If it is a cover up Cronin needs to be fired asap

Not sure what the worst reports were, so tough to know what the penalty should be, but definitely wouldnt mind an extra 1st. We suck this year so a little more excitement come draft time would be great.

Before reading the Monte Poole quote I thought we would take 2-3 2nds out or rescind the whole trade. Now, well, how often is Monte right? I just cant see the value in getting an injured guy.

That portland first would possibly be high lotto at the rate we are going. But depending on how this situation unfolds (if Portland did indeed juice gp up on meds and not disclose that to gs) then gs probably should get all of those seconds back bare minimum but wouldn't be shocked if the nba went as far to award a 1st maybe even the pdx 2023 even if it lands at the top after some lotto balls bounce (goes to Chicago if 15-30)

I do think the most likely scenario is the seconds just go back if the trade isn't voided altogether. But it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out as masking up an injury seems like a pretty serious offense

[azwfan]

Blazer fan here. If any of the worst reports are true GS should be awarded an unprotected first from Portland or at least the 23 knicks first and keep the seconds but hopefully Portland didn't cover things up like that. If it is a cover up Cronin needs to be fired asap

Not sure what the worst reports were, so tough to know what the penalty should be, but definitely wouldnt mind an extra 1st. We suck this year so a little more excitement come draft time would be great.

Before reading the Monte Poole quote I thought we would take 2-3 2nds out or rescind the whole trade. Now, well, how often is Monte right? I just cant see the value in getting an injured guy.

That portland first would possibly be high lotto at the rate we are going. But depending on how this situation unfolds (if Portland did indeed juice gp up on meds and not disclose that to gs) then gs probably should get all of those seconds back bare minimum but wouldn't be shocked if the nba went as far to award a 1st maybe even the pdx 2023 even if it lands at the top after some lotto balls bounce (goes to Chicago if 15-30)

I do think the most likely scenario is the seconds just go back if the trade isn't voided altogether. But it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out as masking up an injury seems like a pretty serious offense

I do find it unlikely they would intentionally mask an injury. Perhaps there was bad communication between training staff and GM, or GM and his team, but there doesnt seem to be a benefit to intentionally covering up an injury when you know (or should know) the other team is gonna be giving him a physical.

[NatiboyB]

Cavs fan coming in peace. I am aware about the issues involving GPs physical. With him being a good culture guy and locked into a longer term deal is it a chance you all just accept the deal?

[bay2hk]

Cavs fan coming in peace. I am aware about the issues involving GPs physical. With him being a good culture guy and locked into a longer term deal is it a chance you all just accept the deal?

There’s a chance, but only if pdx provides us compensation back such as the 2nd round picks and/or cash. I think pdx has a strong incentive to do whatever they need to get the deal done. Rescinding the trade would probably be worst case scenario for them with how everything got out in public on the gp2

[Big J]

Cavs fan coming in peace. I am aware about the issues involving GPs physical. With him being a good culture guy and locked into a longer term deal is it a chance you all just accept the deal?

No. If he's not available this season he's useless to us. We can always revisit this trade in the offseason if he heals.

[PDXKnight]

Not sure what the worst reports were, so tough to know what the penalty should be, but definitely wouldnt mind an extra 1st. We suck this year so a little more excitement come draft time would be great.

Before reading the Monte Poole quote I thought we would take 2-3 2nds out or rescind the whole trade. Now, well, how often is Monte right? I just cant see the value in getting an injured guy.

That portland first would possibly be high lotto at the rate we are going. But depending on how this situation unfolds (if Portland did indeed juice gp up on meds and not disclose that to gs) then gs probably should get all of those seconds back bare minimum but wouldn't be shocked if the nba went as far to award a 1st maybe even the pdx 2023 even if it lands at the top after some lotto balls bounce (goes to Chicago if 15-30)

I do think the most likely scenario is the seconds just go back if the trade isn't voided altogether. But it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out as masking up an injury seems like a pretty serious offense

I do find it unlikely they would intentionally mask an injury. Perhaps there was bad communication between training staff and GM, or GM and his team, but there doesnt seem to be a benefit to intentionally covering up an injury when you know (or should know) the other team is gonna be giving him a physical.

Supposedly he was getting terrodol shots from the training staff which would mask an injury for about 2 weeks but not take care of the injury itself. Additionally this medication and injury were not dksclosed. Hopefully indeed there was just a lack of communication going on

[oaktownwarriors87]

With Wiseman you wonder how much of the hype was his association with Penny Hardaway this highly recognized former All-NBA player.

He was also close with KD. Combine that with his ability to shoot along with the fact that he's tall, long, athletic & strong and you have yourself a top 5 pick. I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors viewed him as the KD of centers. Especially with the way they chose to use/develope him early on.

[oaktownwarriors87]

does anyone know what can be adjusted, if at all? can the warriors keep bey or knox and the 5 seconds? or can only the portion with the blazers and warriors be adjusted?

Blazer fan here. If any of the worst reports are true GS should be awarded an unprotected first from Portland or at least the 23 knicks first and keep the seconds but hopefully Portland didn't cover things up like that. If it is a cover up Cronin needs to be fired asap

Is awarding teams picks a thing? When the T-Wolves stole Joe Smith the Warriors didn't get anything, they just took away multiple picks from Minnesota.

I think awarding picks should be a thing, but I don't know if it is.

[azwfan]

Cavs fan coming in peace. I am aware about the issues involving GPs physical. With him being a good culture guy and locked into a longer term deal is it a chance you all just accept the deal?

If I was making the decision, no. But who knows what the front office will decide. I think there's a chance.

[cpower]

We will keep GP2..we can't keep wiseman at this point and it also costs us 130m to keep him around. No other team would be willing to deal with us next year. Worse case scenario.GP2 can't play this season but will play next. It sucks but it's still the best case for us

[BayAreaDub]

We will keep GP2..we can't keep wiseman at this point and it also costs us 130m to keep him around. No other team would be willing to deal with us next year. Worse case scenario.GP2 can't play this season but will play next. It sucks but it's still the best case for us

Keeping GP2 only saves us something like $30-40 million off that $131 million if I’m not mistaken. Not a big deal.

And I disagree, rescind the trade. I think we make a deal with the Pistons again in the off-season. Can grab GP2 again next year mid season when PDX buys him out. Make PDX pay.

[xdrta+]

People should stop with that $130M number. It makes no sense.

[whatisacenter]

People should stop with that $130M number. It makes no sense.

but John Hollinger wrote it so let's keep throwing it out there...

[Big J]

We will keep GP2..we can't keep wiseman at this point and it also costs us 130m to keep him around. No other team would be willing to deal with us next year. Worse case scenario.GP2 can't play this season but will play next. It sucks but it's still the best case for us

Worst case is that GP2 never regains his explosion again. He's already 30 years old and isn't healing. No thanks. Detroit or someone else will still take a chance on Wiseman in the offseason.

[azwfan]

We will keep GP2..we can't keep wiseman at this point and it also costs us 130m to keep him around. No other team would be willing to deal with us next year. Worse case scenario.GP2 can't play this season but will play next. It sucks but it's still the best case for us

Worst case is that GP2 never regains his explosion again. He's already 30 years old and isn't healing. No thanks. Detroit or someone else will still take a chance on Wiseman in the offseason.

Im inclined to agree. Im having a really hard time seeing the benefit of acquiring GP2 now.