Is Klay Thompson overrated?

[likashing]

My qualifier would be around 40-42% that's not a good fg%....and if you add big volume to it, then it's real bad unless you are getting to the line a ton.

I appreciate the work a8bil, and I'm probably leaning more in your direction on the Klay issue. Especially when you look at your list and compare the fg%'s of the other top guys to Klay, because all those other top guys tend to get fouled a lot and also drive to the hoop and score better than Klay there. The fact that Klay shoots good percentage and shoots the majority of his shots from distance tells you how crazy good he can shoot the ball at times.

I did a little exercise to prove your point, using TS%, to take into account players shooting more 3s but at a lower fg%, and also players who draws more FTs. It is quite time consuming and I only looked at Klay, Butler, DeRozan, and Harden, but should be representative enough as they are all SGs at the top/mid/bottom of the following list:

Curry - 2
Durant - 2
LJ - 2
DeRozan - 3
Klay - 4
Westbrook - 4
Wade - 5
Hayward - 6
Reddick - 6
Butler - 7
Lillard - 7
Wiggins- 7
Love -8
Nowitsky - 8
Wall - 8
Harden - 9
George - 9
Anthony - 9
Lowry - 10

DeRozan (38 games)
average ts% .549
<= .500 9 24%
<= .450 2 5%
standard deviation 0.072909324

Klay (34 games)
average ts% .604
<= .500 10 (29%)
<= .450 5 (15%)
standard deviation 0.136793888

Butler (34 games)
average ts% .571
<= .500 7 21%
<= .450 4 12%
standard deviation 0.12512833

Harden (37 games)
average ts% .581
<= .500 12 32%
<= .450 7 19%
standard deviation 0.123927483

What these numbers show, is that despite Butler has more low fg% games than Klay, his ability to get ft bails him out and he actually has fewer low ts% games than Klay.

But if you compare Klay and Harden, who is further down the list, even he gets ft, it is not enough for him and he still has more low ts% games compared to Klay.

Also notice Klay's average ts% is the best among these 4 guys.

Klay's higher standard deviation also tells us that his numbers have a larger variation from the average, which is why he is much more likely to get a 37 point quarter, than a guy like DeRozan.

When Klay is scoring consecutive 30+ points games, I am not having any complains anymore.

It is funny when you look at these numbers, for a guy like DeRozan with a ts% of .549 average, he also have the fewest games with a ts% below .450.

I won't even bother to look up Steph's #s, because it will be crazy because he has a crazy ts% average plus he gets many fts. It will be off the charts.

[likashing]

For the heck of it, I did Steph too... he is not human

Steph (34 games)
average ts% .676
below .500 1 3%
below .450 1 3%
standard deviation 0.127553914

[shazam_guy]

The statistics suggest a slight amount of improvement, however I'd need to verify the data by squeezing a goats testicles before believing it.

You know you'd be squeezing those testicles anyway -- you just want us to give you an excuse.

[Mylie10]

My qualifier would be around 40-42% that's not a good fg%....and if you add big volume to it, then it's real bad unless you are getting to the line a ton.

I appreciate the work a8bil, and I'm probably leaning more in your direction on the Klay issue. Especially when you look at your list and compare the fg%'s of the other top guys to Klay, because all those other top guys tend to get fouled a lot and also drive to the hoop and score better than Klay there. The fact that Klay shoots good percentage and shoots the majority of his shots from distance tells you how crazy good he can shoot the ball at times.

I did a little exercise to prove your point, using TS%, to take into account players shooting more 3s but at a lower fg%, and also players who draws more FTs. It is quite time consuming and I only looked at Klay, Butler, DeRozan, and Harden, but should be representative enough as they are all SGs at the top/mid/bottom of the following list:

Curry - 2
Durant - 2
LJ - 2
DeRozan - 3
Klay - 4
Westbrook - 4
Wade - 5
Hayward - 6
Reddick - 6
Butler - 7
Lillard - 7
Wiggins- 7
Love -8
Nowitsky - 8
Wall - 8
Harden - 9
George - 9
Anthony - 9
Lowry - 10

DeRozan (38 games)
average ts% .549
<= .500 9 24%
<= .450 2 5%
standard deviation 0.072909324

Klay (34 games)
average ts% .604
<= .500 10 (29%)
<= .450 5 (15%)
standard deviation 0.136793888

Butler (34 games)
average ts% .571
<= .500 7 21%
<= .450 4 12%
standard deviation 0.12512833

Harden (37 games)
average ts% .581
<= .500 12 32%
<= .450 7 19%
standard deviation 0.123927483

What these numbers show, is that despite Butler has more low fg% games than Klay, his ability to get ft bails him out and he actually has fewer low ts% games than Klay.

But if you compare Klay and Harden, who is further down the list, even he gets ft, it is not enough for him and he still has more low ts% games compared to Klay.

Also notice Klay's average ts% is the best among these 4 guys.

Klay's higher standard deviation also tells us that his numbers have a larger variation from the average, which is why he is much more likely to get a 37 point quarter, than a guy like DeRozan.

When Klay is scoring consecutive 30+ points games, I am not having any complains anymore.

It is funny when you look at these numbers, for a guy like DeRozan with a ts% of .549 average, he also have the fewest games with a ts% below .450.

I won't even bother to look up Steph's #s, because it will be crazy because he has a crazy ts% average plus he gets many fts. It will be off the charts.

Thanks for the leg work.

Now that should show us how special a shooter Klay is from range. If he was going to the line at a high rate his numbers would be insane. But let's not complain because his job is to shoot from deep, and also to drive and keep defenses honest.

[Coxy]

The statistics suggest a slight amount of improvement, however I'd need to verify the data by squeezing a goats testicles before believing it.

You know you'd be squeezing those testicles anyway -- you just want us to give you an excuse.

I'm more of a cow man.

[turk3d]

hey Coxy, you know where I can find some goat testicles out here in the Bay Area (imagine it's relatively easy to find them down under).

[Mylie10]

hey Coxy, you know where I can find some goat testicles out here in the Bay Area (imagine it's relatively easy to find them down under).

This guy will serve you a plate of them;

[turk3d]

hey Coxy, you know where I can find some goat testicles out here in the Bay Area (imagine it's relatively easy to find them down under).

This guy will serve you a plate of them;

Sure they aren't Bulls Balls?

[cpower]

his TS% with/without Curry was pretty bad, that's a big part of his game I want him to improve.

[wco81]

Klay has turned it over twice on breaks, dribbling into the lane rather than give it up early to Curry or Livingston.

Or even Green for that matter.

He bricked a turnaround on a post up over Parker.

Kerr has to remind everyone of their roles.

Klay needs to know his role is to give up the ball early, especially in transition, and spot up.

[Warriorfan]

Warriors are still a work in progress. Klay has been improving and still has room for growth.

[wco81]

Sure you want him to expand his game.

But in the playoffs, you have to go with what you do best, not work on aspects of his game that he wants to practice.

Because if Klay is dribbling, he's not likely to be the one shooting. He's likely to pass to someone who's an inferior jump shooter.

[ranlamjon]

who started this thread??????????????????????????????????????????????????? Let me do my research.................. I'll give u the answer that you're looking for............... I'll be back................ lol

[likashing]

Klay has greatly improved his shooting efficiency without Steph. He is now at .580 ts% at 29.3% usage without Steph.

I am sure he read my posts and acted on it. Good job!

[ranlamjon]

2 time all star.

2nd best shooter on this planet.

Overrated?

Comical..

[a8bil]

Don't look now, but Klay is .1 from being the NBA scoring leader through the second round of the playoffs, with eFG% of .595 and TS% of .635, while still being tasked to guard the opponents best offensive player. So yes, totally overrated!

[BaggageHandler]

Ask Damian Lillard

[old rem]

Warriors are still a work in progress. Klay has been improving and still has room for growth.

True. The Master Plan... Curry,Klay,Dray are a BIG part. Some others (like Livingston) are fundamental.. obviously.. so is Kerr.
While you might replace Barbosa or Barnes, there's CORE that are more than just one guy. Meaning....Klay is a guy who's NOT just his direct impact,his numbers. There's factors beyond just his shooting. Klay is a big deal in the Chemistry that MADE this.

[cpower]

we need him to the best he can be against cavs, spurs or okc.

[BaggageHandler]

we need him to the best he can be against cavs, spurs or okc.