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Post#381 » by thunderdunk » Sun Oct 9, 2022 6:19 am

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thunderdunk wrote:Based on your comment, I'm pretty sure that you've never been sucker punched in the face by anybody. Hopefully Draymond realizes that he's walking a very fine line here. JP could easily end this problem permanently.


As a matter of fact, I was.

It happened while I was in high school, 6th grade. I was around 12/13 years old.

After some class, everybody went out to eat, drink, etc. Time was up, so people were returning to the classroom.

As I returned to the classroom and was sitting in my chair, some guy came directly at me and punched me in the face. People restrained him. He said he did that because I was offending him while passing by outside the classroom.

It was bull from his part. Teachers found out later he was involved with drugs at the time. Probably confused me with someone else.

I never forgot it, obviously.... which isn't the same thing as saying that, if I saw him in the streets right now I'd retaliate.

So I speak from experience, sir: for some things in life, it's better you move on.

So, please avoid your "I'm pretty sure that you've never been sucker punched in the face" rethoric. You don't know absolutely anything about what I've been through in life.

I'm not defending Draymond here, I'm just saying this is an internal matter related to the team and anything anyone says here is conjecture bordering on gossip.

Obviously, everybody reacts to certain situations differently. The kid who sucker punched me knew exactly who I was, and I still have no idea why he did it. Now, 50 years later, I still remember it vividly. I'd like to think I'm over it, but it absolutely wouldn't bother (or surprise) me to learn that he's dead. At the time, to repeat, I absolutely seriously thought about killing him. You're right -- we have no idea how JP might respond to all this. I do know for sure that he'll never forget it. I noticed in his press conference that DG briefly apologized to JP's friends. He can't be sure how they'll react to this either. It's hard to say if DG actually understands exactly what the potential implications are of what he did. He seemed to be much more upset that somebody leaked the video than that he punched someone who likely trusted him in the face for no apparent reason. Based on the video, it wouldn't surprise me at all if DG someday sucker punches the wrong guy, and learns a very short lesson. Hopefully not. But what the video shows is somebody who clearly can't control himself. Or somebody who's just a really bad person. Or both.
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Re: Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice 

Post#382 » by DonaldSanders » Sun Oct 9, 2022 6:36 am

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That might be the case for a few days, maybe a week..
It might be brought up again later if there are tensions during the season within the team, but I suspect it all blows over and no one will be talking about it by the time the season starts.


Lol, you are dead wrong man. It’s all anyone will be talking about with the Warriors when the season starts. Draymond will definitely be getting suspended now that the video is out.


Whatever, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Niners had a tussle in their training camp and no one is still talking about it.
Two athlete's got into it at practice... happens all the time.
I think it's pathetic that people are turning it into such a big thing.


I do think at this point it's overblown here compared to some other spaces that don't care as much. The General Board threads are basically filled with all the common Warriors trolls just celebrating/spinning a bunch of garbage. At first most people were just stating their takes, what is left now are the hard core anti-Warrior guys like DoctorX and such that are obsessed with posting negative as possible takes about Draymond and the Warriors. And other people posting about "fire Kerr and Myers" it's just hilariously stupid.

Obviously Draymond is a fool and a bully for doing this, but ultimately I think the actual victim, Jordan Poole, should have the biggest influence on what happens with Draymond. Draymond and the team will be able to move on, but if Poole doesn't feel cared for, listened to, protected, etc. this will throw the team off this year. Hopefully they are listening to Poole. I doubt Draymond will last much longer than this season though.

I think the above two posters discussing their different reactions to an uncalled for violent punch show that victims have different reactions and deal with things in different ways. It's important to listen to the person affected and see where they are at.
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Re: Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice 

Post#383 » by Old_Blue » Sun Oct 9, 2022 6:41 am

Primer on Torts...Duty (check), Breach of Duty (check), Causation (check), Damages (oops). Folks calling for a lawsuit are missing the basic point that Jordan will not ever publicly acknowledge that he was hurt in any way. He's got too much pride to do that. Thus, for practical purposes, absent a willing plaintiff, a successful lawsuit is impossible.

I will say this though - Had Draymond actually hurt Poole in a manner that negatively affected his future earnings, Draymond would have been in a world of legal hurt. For the sake of argument, let's say Draymond had put Poole in a wheelchair for life, the reasonably projected damages would have exceeded $100 million. In that event, Poole would obviously have filed suit, resulting in an enormous sum either by award or settlement. Draymond lives in California. Even his home wouldn't have been out of reach of the creditor. Homestead protection in CA is paltry compared say to Florida. Draymond would eventually have been forced into bankruptcy, but only after losing the vast majority of his assets. All of this is to say that Draymond's stunt didn't just imperil Poole. It also imperiled Draymond himself, Draymond's family and anyone else who financially relies on Draymond. Even by Draymond's standards, a stunning display of the disparity between his basketball IQ and his EQ.
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Re: Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice 

Post#384 » by michaelm » Sun Oct 9, 2022 7:44 am

Draymond giveth and he taketh away.

Great player including being one of the greatest defensive players ever imo, contributed very significantly to winning 4 titles, and significantly to losing one title and now perhaps one or more further titles.

The incident was undeniably idiotic and indefensible, and given the release of the video someone other than Poole is obviously not a Draymond fan.

I don’t dismiss a Klutch role in Green’s overall current attitude btw. The chances of Curry surpassing LeBron for titles won would appear to have been significantly diminished. If you can’t beat them destabilise them.
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Post#385 » by GQ Hot Dog » Sun Oct 9, 2022 7:54 am

I think Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt. I think he is legit shaken up by this and truly wondering how he got to a place where he took out some personal turmoil on a friend he genuinely cares about and who is basically an innocent bystander. I think he crossed a line and shocked himself and will be forced to dig deep to figure out where this came from.

I think Draymond is a genuinely good and self aware person who can turn this incident into an opportunity for personal growth.
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Re: Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice 

Post#386 » by SFrush » Sun Oct 9, 2022 9:08 am

GQ Hot Dog wrote:I think Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt. I think he is legit shaken up by this and truly wondering how he got to a place where he took out some personal turmoil on a friend he genuinely cares about and who is basically an innocent bystander. I think he crossed a line and shocked himself and will be forced to dig deep to figure out where this came from.

I think Draymond is a genuinely good and self aware person who can turn this incident into an opportunity for personal growth.


He needs some kind of anger management counseling. That really would be a step in the right direction for personal growth.
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Post#387 » by Big J » Sun Oct 9, 2022 12:15 pm

I think Draymond is on PEDs, and this is roid rage. Lebron has long been linked to them, and Draymond is probably getting them from his source now that they are close.
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Post#388 » by Sleepy51 » Sun Oct 9, 2022 12:25 pm

Big J wrote:I think Draymond is on PEDs, and this is roid rage. Lebron has long been linked to them, and Draymond is probably getting them from his source now that they are close.


So how come lebron ain't roid raging? Dray is just an ****
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Post#389 » by squarepimpin » Sun Oct 9, 2022 12:51 pm

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Is Chris Haynes employed by Klutch? This sounds like something somebody with LeBron's balls in his mouth would say.

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Post#390 » by squarepimpin » Sun Oct 9, 2022 12:53 pm

floppymoose wrote:Haynes is a good guy. It was Dray who apologized, and it is Haynes who is commenting on Poole. There is no contradiction there.

Floppymoose… are u Haynes Partna why the unnecessary props for an obvious tool job??


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Re: Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice 

Post#391 » by Big J » Sun Oct 9, 2022 12:55 pm

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Big J wrote:I think Draymond is on PEDs, and this is roid rage. Lebron has long been linked to them, and Draymond is probably getting them from his source now that they are close.


So how come lebron ain't roid raging? Dray is just an ****


Not everyone who takes them roid rages. They affect different people differently, but yes Dray is an asshat.
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Re: Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice 

Post#392 » by Onus » Sun Oct 9, 2022 2:02 pm

Draymond apologized but he also alluded to Poole saying something which is why he attacked him. How he didn’t want to tell his side of the story because he didn’t want victim blame, but in a roundabout way he’s saying Jordan deserved it without saying it.
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Post#393 » by HiRez » Sun Oct 9, 2022 3:39 pm

Cyrus Saatsez on his Locked On Warriors podcast had an interesting theory about Draymond that I never considered. While acknowledging he is not a doctor, he thinks it's possible Draymond has a bit of ADHD, possibly undiagnosed, or diagnosed but un/under-medicated. It's just a theory, and not an excuse for the incident, but it could definitely explain some of his behavior and general personality over the years.
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Post#394 » by NRSV » Sun Oct 9, 2022 3:40 pm

Video gets worse every time I watch it.
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Post#395 » by NRSV » Sun Oct 9, 2022 3:45 pm

HiRez wrote:Cyrus Saatsez on his Locked On Warriors podcast had an interesting theory about Draymond that I never considered. While acknowledging he is not a doctor, he thinks it's possible Draymond has a bit of ADHD, possibly undiagnosed, or diagnosed but un/under-medicated. It's just a theory, and not an excuse for the incident, but it could definitely explain some of his behavior and general personality over the years.


he said that crap with a microphone in front of him. Yikes.
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Post#396 » by wco81 » Sun Oct 9, 2022 4:01 pm

Saw game 2 of the WCF vs. Dallas recently.

Draymond had a poor game, one technical and got into foul trouble in the second half. Eventually fouled out.

Warriors were down big in this game, Mavs started out red hot from 3 and had over a 20 point lead.

But Draymond was getting into altercations, screaming at the refs.

He wasn't a factor in this game or rather he was a negative factor.

This is also the game where Poole lead a comeback in the second to fourth quarters. Curry came in midway through the 4th and then started targeting Luka, going to the hole.

Poole shot well from 3 and also went to the basket repeatedly.

They still need Draymond but this and some other playoff games showed his relative value is declining. For one thing, he was ejected from a couple of games or got into foul trouble or was ineffective. Bill Simmons said Draymond regained his effectiveness for the last two games of the Finals.

Otherwise, the more big games they win without him, the less the team is going to want to pay him.
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Post#397 » by Impuniti » Sun Oct 9, 2022 4:01 pm

People are trying to find reasons about Draymond for being an ****. He's always been an ****, always will be and more important, he never learns from any mistakes. Making it even worse, he doesn't even seem to be remorseful about it.

Dude's a complete clown, it's a shame the team needs him. I would love nothing more than JK to have an otherworldly summer improvement and successfully take his place, but I'm not optimistic.
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Post#398 » by whatisacenter » Sun Oct 9, 2022 4:14 pm

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HiRez wrote:Cyrus Saatsez on his Locked On Warriors podcast had an interesting theory about Draymond that I never considered. While acknowledging he is not a doctor, he thinks it's possible Draymond has a bit of ADHD, possibly undiagnosed, or diagnosed but un/under-medicated. It's just a theory, and not an excuse for the incident, but it could definitely explain some of his behavior and general personality over the years.


he said that crap with a microphone in front of him. Yikes.


I have a hard time listening to that show now that he is the host. Too much of a homer and not enough knowledge. So many times he has been like, “I don’t know about this or that”, when it comes to a draft prospect or a salary cap issue - etc and I wonder how he even got the gig. I feel like there are a handful of posters here who would be more qualified.
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Re: Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice 

Post#399 » by Old_Blue » Sun Oct 9, 2022 5:00 pm

A couple of thoughts...

(1) How is it that the video cuts out not long after Poole collapses to the ground? There's got to be more to that video that might shed additional light on Draymond's conduct.

(2) As messed up as it would be, for the remainder of Draymond's time with the Warriors, there might have to be at least a couple of rather large security staff court side at each and every team practice.
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Post#400 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Sun Oct 9, 2022 5:03 pm

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:lol: no, but I wouldn't blame him for pressing charges and taking him to court. Actually would probably hurt Draymond the most if he could get him to have to pay out of pocket for this nonsense.


Wait, so JP's street cred would be reestablished if he called the cops and filed a lawsuit? Things have really done a 180 since I was a young man.


Yes, actually. That is how you stand up to a wealthy bully.


Poole is about to get a contract bigger than all of Draymonds career earnings.
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