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Post#461 » by marthafokker » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:17 am

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sorry, but i must admit i don't think Monta's defense is very good either and i think he's actually the worst defender in the starting line-up.
don't get me wrong. i love ellis and haven't said a negative thing about him ever before. his offense more than makes up for his defensive struggles and i have total faith he'll pick up his defense in time and when it matches his offense, WOW. look out!



Funny you said that. I was thinking when will LF get on Ellis' defensive(Jamison like) effort. Great offensively, clueless defensively.

Hope he does learn.... SOON.
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Post#462 » by numbas » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:35 am

awsome game i really want the warriors and nuggets to make the playoffs over the rockets cuz they have a shot at acutally makin noise in teh west and ithink the rockets just suck really
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Post#463 » by floppymoose » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:21 am

The best part of this win for me was seeing an inspired home court performance. Haven't been enough of those.
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Post#464 » by rutheredfox » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:45 pm

i just watched the whole game again and i'm really surprised at how well webber played KG tonight. he really played a good post d.
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Post#465 » by Head Leader » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:28 pm

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- Nellie ditched smallball, and we not only dominated the rebounding, but we kept the C's out of the paint for the most part.
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We both know next game andris will be back to the bench and playing 20 mpg.

if he doesn't, ill gladly eat crow.

but i 100% agree with you.. the ONLY reason we won is because we ditched small ball.
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Post#466 » by Mylie10 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:42 pm

Monster game by Al last night. The energy he played with was very impressive.

If the guy played that hard always, then we'll be in awesome shape.
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Post#467 » by FNQ » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:31 pm

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sorry, but i must admit i don't think Monta's defense is very good either and i think he's actually the worst defender in the starting line-up.
don't get me wrong. i love ellis and haven't said a negative thing about him ever before. his offense more than makes up for his defensive struggles and i have total faith he'll pick up his defense in time and when it matches his offense, WOW. look out!



I don't get why people are bagging Tay... because he gave an exceptional shooter a little bit of daylight? You put him on a SG that doesnt have an amazing quick, accurate release and Tay would have looked like a great defender....

If we're talking setups to fail, how about putting Baron on Rondo and Tay on Allen? The instant Nellie switched off of that stupid crap, we started catching Boston and Ray became a non factor.... when Baron/Barnes were on Allen, and Webber was off the court, the screens didn't work so well anymore...

Take the 4th Q as an example, Allen's last 3. Big Baby / Powe set double screens on Barnes. Harrington saw Allen was going baseline under the hoop, so he allowed Barnes to recover there and kept guarding Big Baby. Then Powe (guarded by Biedrins) set a 2nd screen on the opposite low post on Barnes... Dre recognizes it and tried to seal out on Ray Allen.. he was almost right in Ray's face as Ray buried a 3.

That happened a handful of times to Monta.... so if they ran a bunch of those double screens down low, would that make Biedrins our worst defender too? or Barnes?

It's become trendy to pick on Tay's D... but people aren't watching the entire play, only the end :nonono:
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Post#468 » by FNQ » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:34 pm

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We both know next game andris will be back to the bench and playing 20 mpg.

if he doesn't, ill gladly eat crow.

but i 100% agree with you.. the ONLY reason we won is because we ditched small ball.


I hope we're both wrong about it... but I agree... even when evidence hits him in the face like it did last nite, our wagon reads "Smallball" and I dont think its going to change w/o a new coach.

jrhester wrote:I am soooooo pissed.

WTF is Nellie thinking?

No Wright, no POB... is it too much to ask for 10 MPG development for our future?!

Waaaay too much Webber, too much Croshere. The ONLY reason he went with a traditional lineup is because Jackson was out and he doesn't trust out young bigs.

Seriously, when will people realize that this team is a joke and NELLIE SHOULD BE FIRED?!


Isn't the Wright/POB issue a small part of the 'ditch smallball' idea? The ditch the jack-up-a-shit-load-of 3's plan?

Nellie actually coached like a real coach... and suprise surprise - the optimists were right about the team's talent.
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Post#469 » by celticfan42487 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:38 pm

Great game, y'all really outplayed us.

I knew we wouldn't be able to stop B.Diddy afterall Pierce has taught him :wink:

But i had NO IDEA we wouldn't be able to stop Ellis. He's as fast as Rondo on our team and as good of a penetrator as Tony Allen on our team it was scary for an opposing fan to watch.

Never really knew this till tonight. Don't worry about his defense you can hide him agaisnt most PGs like Rondo on our team. And his speed will let him do okay against guys like Tony Parker. Man's a game changer.
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Post#470 » by KR4 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:35 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Great game, y'all really outplayed us.

I knew we wouldn't be able to stop B.Diddy afterall Pierce has taught him :wink:

But i had NO IDEA we wouldn't be able to stop Ellis. He's as fast as Rondo on our team and as good of a penetrator as Tony Allen on our team it was scary for an opposing fan to watch.

Never really knew this till tonight. Don't worry about his defense you can hide him agaisnt most PGs like Rondo on our team. And his speed will let him do okay against guys like Tony Parker. Man's a game changer.


What were some of the highlight points the Celts announcers were making?
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Post#471 » by Hopper15 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:39 pm

I thought your guys played us hard. No team has put that much ball pressure on us all year. We made some adjustments at half time that helped off set that. When the game was in the balance, I still thought that was the best game of the year, win or lose.
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Post#472 » by Mylie10 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:41 pm

Toss up between that game and New Orleans and one of the Phoenix games.

As far as what the Warriors had to do to win, this one was special because of what they were trying to do to Monta.
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Post#473 » by Hopper15 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:46 pm

The NO was great, too. But, we had to chuck our way to victory. Winning the old fashioned way is much more satisfying.
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Post#474 » by KR4 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:47 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Toss up between that game and New Orleans and one of the Phoenix games.

As far as what the Warriors had to do to win, this one was special because of what they were trying to do to Monta.


I second that. The Dubs, nor Monta have faced such fierce defense this year. Monta stepped up to the challenge though. Those dishes to AB were outstanding. Would love to see more of that for the next 10 years.

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Post#475 » by Mylie10 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:59 pm

We will.

Those guys aren't going anywhere.

I heard a story today that said someone who knows Beans said that he cares more about loyalty than he does about squeezing the last penny out of a potential deal. and that he'll quickly sign the extension.

Now I heard this at WW so take it for what it's worth. But I tend to agree.

Monta's a different character. I think he'd really like to be closer to Sippi. It's gonna take major dough to keep him out west.

Either way I sign both, because if you ever want to get max value out of them in a trade, they need to be making big coin.
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Post#476 » by zero » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:05 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Toss up between that game and New Orleans and one of the Phoenix games.

As far as what the Warriors had to do to win, this one was special because of what they were trying to do to Monta.


you know i would have to say this one beat those two and even the 2nd win over the spurs because we did it without jack. the way the c's pressured monta it made me really nervous, but the dubs really stepped it up. if jack had played then i'd agree with you, but without jack, this one has to top those.
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Post#477 » by nbenmargi » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:44 pm

We beat the best team in the league without our (arguably) second best player.
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Post#478 » by floppymoose » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:23 pm

rutheredfox wrote:i just watched the whole game again and i'm really surprised at how well Webber played KG tonight. he really played a good post d.


I watched it again too. Webber's man to man post d was nice. His pick and roll d was terrible. Anytime a guard used Webber's man as a pick, the guard scored as Webber could supply no help.
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Post#479 » by CupcakeNoFillin » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:27 am

There was 0.3 seconds left in the game after Baron's shot. How hilarious would that have been if the Celtics made a shot all the way from full court to win the game.
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Post#480 » by GSWhoopfan » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:39 am

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I watched it again too. Webber's man to man post d was nice. His pick and roll d was terrible. Anytime a guard used Webber's man as a pick, the guard scored as Webber could supply no help.


i agree...Webber is slowly getting his game back. i expect it in full stride late March to help us push to the playoffs.

anyone a fan of Tim Kawakami?? he said Webber was the reason the Celts score 9 the start the game and that he did a terrible job on KG (and kept mentioning KG was hurt, he wasnt himself, he scored 4 points last night, and kept referring to hte one play where Powe took it in on Webber and dunked.)...his point of view is annoying....enough of that bastard (bastard borrowed from the book of Nellie)

Scalabrine not playing, gave us a chance. Homeboy schools us night in and night out. Glen Davis...is fat. Rondo looks like earthworm Jim. Ray Allen was a beast.

Baron needed the last second shot to fall...his ego was a bit on the downward spiral, but now its back to par. (All-star snub, poor fg % lately, Monta taking the game over)
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