2021 Draft Thread

[GSWFan1994]

Seriously don't get the fascination w/ JJ. Any player that quits on his team mid-season screams immaturity at best and head-case at worse. Even if he's there at 14, let some other team deal w/ that headache.

This is very simple from my point of view: you draft from a standpoint of pure talent, and later hope your organizational culture, along with the own player's maturity, will fix this over time.

[osx28]

Moody/JJ

Barnes/Springer

Any combination of these players, and I'm set. For now.

But I highly doubt JJ will be available at 14.

Seriously don't get the fascination w/ JJ. Any player that quits on his team mid-season screams immaturity at best and head-case at worse. Even if he's there at 14, let some other team deal w/ that headache.

It could also be bad advice from his team. They saw Wiseman shut it down last year and it didn't hurt his stock and others have done similar things in the past with good results.

The fascination is because of the clear talent he's displayed. Him shutting down his college career is a business move IMO, you can argue whether it was a good one or not, but I don't necessarily see it representative of who he is a as a person or player.
You may be right, but the talent makes it worth the gamble.

Take a look at the per 100 posessions numbers compared to Cade and Mobley, to me this is the fascination:

Cade: 31ppg, 9.5rpg, 5.6 apg, 2.5 steals, 1.2 blocks
Mobley: 28.5ppg, 15.1rpg, 4.2, 1.4 steals 5 blocks
JJ: 30ppg, 16rpg, 6apg, 3.1 steals, 3.3 blocks


I know, I know sample size and all that, but damn that type of production is the definition of high upside. Plus hey Kyrie played less games with a similar strength of schedule and turned out great. Here's Kyrie's college per 100 numbers and I'll throw in Jason Tatum, just for fun.

Kyrie: 36ppg, 7rpg, 9apg, 3steal, 1 block
Tatum:29ppg, 12rpg, 4apg, 2 steals 1 block

[Jester_]

Moody/JJ

Barnes/Springer

Any combination of these players, and I'm set. For now.

But I highly doubt JJ will be available at 14.

Seriously don't get the fascination w/ JJ. Any player that quits on his team mid-season screams immaturity at best and head-case at worse. Even if he's there at 14, let some other team deal w/ that headache.

It could also be bad advice from his team. They saw Wiseman shut it down last year and it didn't hurt his stock and others have done similar things in the past with good results.

The fascination is because of the clear talent he's displayed. Him shutting down his college career is a business move IMO, you can argue whether it was a good one or not, but I don't necessarily see it representative of who he is a as a person or player.
You may be right, but the talent makes it worth the gamble.

Take a look at the per 100 posessions numbers compared to Cade and Mobley, to me this is the fascination:

Cade: 31ppg, 9.5rpg, 5.6 apg, 2.5 steals, 1.2 blocks
Mobley: 28.5ppg, 15.1rpg, 4.2, 1.4 steals 5 blocks
JJ: 30ppg, 16rpg, 6apg, 3.1 steals, 3.3 blocks


I know, I know sample size and all that, but damn that type of production is the definition of high upside. Plus hey Kyrie played less games with a similar strength of schedule and turned out great. Here's Kyrie's college per 100 numbers and I'll throw in Jason Tatum, just for fun.

Kyrie: 36ppg, 7rpg, 9apg, 3steal, 1 block
Tatum:29ppg, 12rpg, 4apg, 2 steals 1 block

If JJ drops to 14 and we don't pick him it'll be the most singularly dumb thing we've done since the David Lee contract

[TB]

One thing to note about those JJ stats, with the small amount of games he had you have to look at the individual games...

He had 19 boards against Coppin State and 16 boards against Pitt. He didn't have more than 8 boards in any of his other 11 games. Same goes for blocks, 8 came from those 2 games. Heck, same goes for assists, 7 and 5 in those two games were his highest of season.

I'm not way anti JJ either, had him 6 all year until recently, but there is no doubt that he's got 2 games really skewing his averages.

[osx28]

One thing to note about those JJ stats, with the small amount of games he had you have to look at the individual games...

He had 19 boards against Coppin State and 16 boards against Pitt. He didn't have more than 8 boards in any of his other 11 games. Same goes for blocks, 8 came from those 2 games. Heck, same goes for assists, 7 and 5 in those two games were his highest of season.

I'm not way anti JJ either, had him 6 all year until recently, but there is no doubt that he's got 2 games really skewing his averages.

Agreed, I'm also not saying he's a sure thing. He was very incosnistent, but the flashes he showed put his talent in the top tier. He has the potential of being Jeff Green 2.0 or a hall of famer. But like someone said, in the Warriors I'd be willing to gamble on us at least getting him somewhere in between and contribute to a chip.

[Scoots1994]

Players have quit on their teams, have opted to go to the g-league, have opted to play internationally, and have still been drafted high.

[TB]

One thing to note about those JJ stats, with the small amount of games he had you have to look at the individual games...

He had 19 boards against Coppin State and 16 boards against Pitt. He didn't have more than 8 boards in any of his other 11 games. Same goes for blocks, 8 came from those 2 games. Heck, same goes for assists, 7 and 5 in those two games were his highest of season.

I'm not way anti JJ either, had him 6 all year until recently, but there is no doubt that he's got 2 games really skewing his averages.

Agreed, I'm also not saying he's a sure thing. He was very incosnistent, but the flashes he showed put his talent in the top tier. He has the potential of being Jeff Green 2.0 or a hall of famer. But like someone said, in the Warriors I'd be willing to gamble on us at least getting him somewhere in between and contribute to a chip.

Yup totally agree with all of that. I still like him as an option at 14 and honestly could be talked into it at 7 if the front office is sold on his character.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I love JJ until I watch him shoot. Good lord he has some terrible form.

[GS Warriors 1]

Feels like Barnes has become that 6th player in this draft that NBA people are excited about. It was lukewarm kinda there, but not where it seems to be now.

Damn. Damn. Damn.

[TB]

Feels like Barnes has become that 6th player in this draft that NBA people are excited about. It was lukewarm kinda there, but not where it seems to be now.

Damn. Damn. Damn.

Ya in typical Warriors fashion we have the 7th pick in a 6 man draft.

Pretty sure everyone here would take any of Cade/Green/Mobley/Suggs/Kuminga/Barnes without hesitation if available at 7.

[Onus]

Feels like Barnes has become that 6th player in this draft that NBA people are excited about. It was lukewarm kinda there, but not where it seems to be now.

Damn. Damn. Damn.

Ya in typical Warriors fashion we have the 7th pick in a 6 man draft.

Pretty sure everyone here would take any of Cade/Green/Mobley/Suggs/Kuminga/Barnes without hesitation if available at 7.

Sengun should make it a 7 person draft. For me Mitchell makes it an 8 person draft.

[GQ Hot Dog]

I love JJ until I watch him shoot. Good lord he has some terrible form.

JJ's shot is rough but honestly I don't think Scottie Barnes' shooting form is any better. In fact I don't think either are any better shooters or scoring threats than Draymond and so I don't want to draft either.

[510TWSS]

having only checked out the recent vids, JJ's shot looks fugly with that 2 motion hitch.

His attempts look like Phillip Seymour Hoffman's in Along Came Polly

Give me someone that has demonstrated at least a season of consistent outside shooting.

I like Mitchell, but the 6'1'' kinda gives me pause but he kinda reminds me of a smaller Marcus Smart.

I like Wagner, he can shoot and has some upside. Not as high on Barnes and those types of athletic tweeners in this draft mainly due to fit.

I like Moody, think he'll be a solid buddy hield type

[Sam Lowry Jr]

Players have quit on their teams, have opted to go to the g-league, have opted to play internationally, and have still been drafted high.

I think the concern with JJ is that he decided to play on three different high schools in 3 years, including changing HS midway through his senior year, before cutting time with Duke. Context is everything, and there may be valid reasons for each departure, but it does raise a red flag for some evaluators.

One other thing to note is Duke-alum Mike Dunleavy Jr. is Myer's right hand man now. He's probably watched a lot of Duke games and studied JJ extensively this past season. It will be interesting to see if MDJ's influence sways the Warriors to draft JJ or disregard him altogether as a pick -- not sure which way it goes tbh.

[FNQ]

Feels like Barnes has become that 6th player in this draft that NBA people are excited about. It was lukewarm kinda there, but not where it seems to be now.

Damn. Damn. Damn.

Ya in typical Warriors fashion we have the 7th pick in a 6 man draft.

Pretty sure everyone here would take any of Cade/Green/Mobley/Suggs/Kuminga/Barnes without hesitation if available at 7.

I wouldnt take Kuminga, but I would happily shop the pick. What team in the low teens is willing to give a future 1st to move up? If CHA, SA, or IND is willing to give up a 1st to move to #7, I'd be fine with moving down to the 11/12/13 range. There are a few players who we could take to address the wing (Duarte, Moody, Kispert) and I'd feel a lot more comfortable taking a guy like Mitchell in that range than 7

[Onus]

I love JJ until I watch him shoot. Good lord he has some terrible form.

JJ's shot is rough but honestly I don't think Scottie Barnes' shooting form is any better. In fact I don't think either are any better shooters or scoring threats than Draymond and so I don't want to draft either.

Barnes' self created rim attacks are off the charts, which makes him more intriguing than JJ and more of a threat than Draymond. Shooting off the dribble seems like a lost cause though

[GS Warriors 1]

Sengun is becoming one of the most intriguing players at 7 for me. Talk about a swing for the fences. I just don't know if the Warriors do it. I know there is some talk about him at 14, but I don't think he lasts that long, unless it's become clear that he's a stash and staying with Besiktas for an additional season.

I would think if Kuminga falls to 6, Oklahoma City wouldn't take much time to make that pick. They would pick him or Barnes if available, I'd think. They need talent and the kid fits as a BPA pick.

[mos_def]

Players have quit on their teams, have opted to go to the g-league, have opted to play internationally, and have still been drafted high.

I think the concern with JJ is that he decided to play on three different high schools in 3 years, including changing HS midway through his senior year, before cutting time with Duke. Context is everything, and there may be valid reasons for each departure, but it does raise a red flag for some evaluators.

One other thing to note is Duke-alum Mike Dunleavy Jr. is Myer's right hand man now. He's probably watched a lot of Duke games and studied JJ extensively this past season. It will be interesting to see if MDJ's influence sways the Warriors to draft JJ or disregard him altogether as a pick -- not sure which way it goes tbh.

Wait a second. Dunleavy is in front office? Since when?

[Sam Lowry Jr]

Players have quit on their teams, have opted to go to the g-league, have opted to play internationally, and have still been drafted high.

I think the concern with JJ is that he decided to play on three different high schools in 3 years, including changing HS midway through his senior year, before cutting time with Duke. Context is everything, and there may be valid reasons for each departure, but it does raise a red flag for some evaluators.

One other thing to note is Duke-alum Mike Dunleavy Jr. is Myer's right hand man now. He's probably watched a lot of Duke games and studied JJ extensively this past season. It will be interesting to see if MDJ's influence sways the Warriors to draft JJ or disregard him altogether as a pick -- not sure which way it goes tbh.

Wait a second. Dunleavy is in front office? Since when?

He was promoted to assistant GM in fall 2019:

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/mike-dunleavy-sheds-light-warriors-upcoming-pre-draft-process

mos_def's thinking about our recent draft history and experiencing a Usual Suspects/Keyzer Soze moment right about now...

[Sam Lowry Jr]

More Dunleavy info from the 2019 draft in this article. Myers and Dunleavy have been buddies for a long time.

https://theathletic.com/1215641/2019/09/17/mike-dunleavys-rising-role-in-the-warriors-front-office-the-new-assistant-gm-has-become-an-integral-voice/

“We had Jordan in for two workouts,” Dunleavy said. “Thought he did really well in the first one. Then we brought him back for a second, had him go against some bigger, more physical guys. More 2/3s than 1/2s.

“He handled the ball a lot and his ability to make plays — maybe it was something you don’t see as much in his college environment — was impressive. Then it felt like seeing him, there was some concerns about his physicality holding up in the NBA. He did really well in that workout. That was kind of a moment where everybody felt comfortable saying, you know, this kid, he’s going to be able to hold up.”

The Warriors drafted Poole 28th overall. They took Paschall 41st overall. Dunleavy was in the draft room for both selections. He didn’t make any final decisions, but his voice was heard. And it’s only growing in volume. He will be an increased part of the brain trust moving forward.