Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[HiRez]

Lol I just posted about Wiseman + Poole + Moody as well. But for Sabonis.

Yeah, I'd love to get Sabonis, agree he'd be perfect in our system as a passing big.

One thing I was playing around with is trying to use Philly/Simmons to make salaries work better and convert Wiggins to lower contracts (also swapping out Moody for the better-shooting Springer), something like this:

Trade Machine link

But it gets complicated and still doesn't address our need for a legit Steph backup, while giving up most of our young assets. I think all of us know deep in our hearts in Steph goes down for 3-4 games in the playoffs, we're probably done, we have little protection against it. Poole, Chiozza, GPII aren't the answer at PG IMO. Sure, Draymond and Iggy can sort of act as PGs, but it's not the same and who knows how healthy they'll be either. Poole can sometimes act like a PG, at times he looks brilliant, but he's got an A/TO under 1.5, that's not good. He's a mediocre distributer with an unreliable shot.

So that's why even though I'd love to get Sabonis, I would lean more toward Haliburton, with Holmes being not as good as Sabonis, but still an acceptable upgrade. We can cover 2 strong needs instead of one and still keep Kuminga.

[Of course, no idea if Sacto would be interested, but it's the Kings]

[FNQ]

How is Sabonis perfect? Where do you put him on defense?

Nemo shows us how expendable an offensive big is in our system.. because on any night when he’s not on offensively, we’re terrible when he’s on court. And we suffer at the rim when he’s on court regardless.. and we want to pay premium price for a bad fit?

What’s going on here? Why are we throwing system/fit out the window when it’s literally responsible for us being a top 2 team this year?

[whatisacenter]

How is Sabonis perfect? Where do you put him on defense?

Nemo shows us how expendable an offensive big is in our system.. because on any night when he’s not on offensively, we’re terrible when he’s on court. And we suffer at the rim when he’s on court regardless.. and we want to pay premium price for a bad fit?

What’s going on here? Why are we throwing system/fit out the window when it’s literally responsible for us being a top 2 team this year?

yeah, I like his bbiq and passing but he moves like he has lead feet.

[superunknown]

domantas is a good player but
A) he ain't his father
B) the asking price is too high
C) the fit would be questionable, especially on D

I wouldn't trade for him, def not for what IND wants in return, and in general I'd look for someone else.

[Impuniti]

How is Sabonis perfect? Where do you put him on defense?

Nemo shows us how expendable an offensive big is in our system.. because on any night when he’s not on offensively, we’re terrible when he’s on court. And we suffer at the rim when he’s on court regardless.. and we want to pay premium price for a bad fit?

What’s going on here? Why are we throwing system/fit out the window when it’s literally responsible for us being a top 2 team this year?

Belly is one of the best rebounders on the team.

[HiRez]

Wiseman + Poole for Okongwu + Lou Williams (probably washed, but has a lot of playoff experience, and expiring)?

Okongwu still erratic but really starting to put it together, he's gonna blow up. Would give us most of what we want from Wiseman but sooner (and at this point more of a sure thing).

[FNQ]

How is Sabonis perfect? Where do you put him on defense?

Nemo shows us how expendable an offensive big is in our system.. because on any night when he’s not on offensively, we’re terrible when he’s on court. And we suffer at the rim when he’s on court regardless.. and we want to pay premium price for a bad fit?

What’s going on here? Why are we throwing system/fit out the window when it’s literally responsible for us being a top 2 team this year?

Belly is one of the best rebounders on the team.

Fantasy wise sure, he gets the David Lee boards by virtue of being a C. But we rebound significant better when he’s off the court

[Skybox]

I'm trying to overpay you guys for Moody...but you don't have any bad money on your whole roster...Amazing!! 4 highly paid guys-all worth it. A gaggle of min. vets-all contributing. A handful of high-upside prospects not even being used on rookie deals.

Best balance sheet in NBA history...could probably use a little beef to throw around in the playoffs, but far from an emergency.

[FNQ]

I'm trying to overpay you guys for Moody...but you don't have any bad money on your whole roster...Amazing!! 4 highly paid guys-all worth it. A gaggle of min. vets-all contributing. A handful of high-upside prospects not even being used on rookie deals.

Best balance sheet in NBA history...could probably use a little beef to throw around in the playoffs, but far from an emergency.

I dunno if Lacob’s accountant would agree.. but yes, little *wasted* money. Which is kinda cool, but also makes trading hard, to your point.

TRoss would be a great bench addition, but matching salaries would be tough. Bamba also worth a look.. but honestly I think our only chance at trade help this year is league min guys, and getting them for 2nds / cash, which limits the ceiling of acquisitions. My bet is that we stand PAT through deadline and look for waiver pickups, but the market will be HEAVY on those with expanded rosters and expanded playoffs

[GunnerWRX]

I'm trying to overpay you guys for Moody...but you don't have any bad money on your whole roster...Amazing!! 4 highly paid guys-all worth it. A gaggle of min. vets-all contributing. A handful of high-upside prospects not even being used on rookie deals.

Best balance sheet in NBA history...could probably use a little beef to throw around in the playoffs, but far from an emergency.

Thanks but to be honest, re: contracts, I am not sure if any other team would want Klay's contract ($122m/3 - $38m/$41m/$43m), or, mind I say, Steph's (33yo - $261m/5 - $46m/$48m/$52m/$56m/$60m).

To the Warriors, they are worth every penny due to what they have done for us.

In an open market, their price tag would have been much lower.

I love my guys, don't get me wrong, but their contracts are also why we have been careful with our signings and use/not-use of say the TMLE.

[Skybox]

I'm trying to overpay you guys for Moody...but you don't have any bad money on your whole roster...Amazing!! 4 highly paid guys-all worth it. A gaggle of min. vets-all contributing. A handful of high-upside prospects not even being used on rookie deals.

Best balance sheet in NBA history...could probably use a little beef to throw around in the playoffs, but far from an emergency.

I dunno if Lacob’s accountant would agree.. but yes, little *wasted* money. Which is kinda cool, but also makes trading hard, to your point.

TRoss would be a great bench addition, but matching salaries would be tough. Bamba also worth a look.. but honestly I think our only chance at trade help this year is league min guys, and getting them for 2nds / cash, which limits the ceiling of acquisitions. My bet is that we stand PAT through deadline and look for waiver pickups, but the market will be HEAVY on those with expanded rosters and expanded playoffs

C'mon just give us Moody for our 22 srp (it will probably be #31)...you guys will draft another star and you won't even miss him. We'll throw in Disney passes and a guided tour with Robin Lopez.

[Commodor]

I'm trying to overpay you guys for Moody...but you don't have any bad money on your whole roster...Amazing!! 4 highly paid guys-all worth it. A gaggle of min. vets-all contributing. A handful of high-upside prospects not even being used on rookie deals.

Best balance sheet in NBA history...could probably use a little beef to throw around in the playoffs, but far from an emergency.

Would a Suggs for Poole-Moody basis have something to work with? Works in trade checker. May have to wait for off-season though with how team is playing.

[Coxy]

I'm trying to overpay you guys for Moody...but you don't have any bad money on your whole roster...Amazing!! 4 highly paid guys-all worth it. A gaggle of min. vets-all contributing. A handful of high-upside prospects not even being used on rookie deals.

Best balance sheet in NBA history...could probably use a little beef to throw around in the playoffs, but far from an emergency.

Would a Suggs for Poole-Moody basis have something to work with? Works in trade checker. May have to wait for off-season though with how team is playing.

I like that idea a lot, which probably means Orlando wouldn't.

[Skybox]

I'm trying to overpay you guys for Moody...but you don't have any bad money on your whole roster...Amazing!! 4 highly paid guys-all worth it. A gaggle of min. vets-all contributing. A handful of high-upside prospects not even being used on rookie deals.

Best balance sheet in NBA history...could probably use a little beef to throw around in the playoffs, but far from an emergency.

Would a Suggs for Poole-Moody basis have something to work with? Works in trade checker. May have to wait for off-season though with how team is playing.

No...with Suggs, you're getting into Kuminga value, which ORL could have chosen. Two nice players, but ORL is definitely not looking to turn one into two given their current trajectory. They need to be going the opposite way with some sort of consolidation - trading two pretty good players/prospects/picks for one difference-maker. I'd really like to see ORL get a big SG, who can shoot...not another smaller guard like Poole.

[Commodor]

I'm trying to overpay you guys for Moody...but you don't have any bad money on your whole roster...Amazing!! 4 highly paid guys-all worth it. A gaggle of min. vets-all contributing. A handful of high-upside prospects not even being used on rookie deals.

Best balance sheet in NBA history...could probably use a little beef to throw around in the playoffs, but far from an emergency.

Would a Suggs for Poole-Moody basis have something to work with? Works in trade checker. May have to wait for off-season though with how team is playing.

No...with Suggs, you're getting into Kuminga value, which ORL could have chosen. Two nice players, but ORL is definitely not looking to turn one into two given their current trajectory. They need to be going the opposite way with some sort of consolidation - trading two pretty good players/prospects/picks for one difference-maker. I'd really like to see ORL get a big SG, who can shoot...not another smaller guard like Poole.

That’s completely fair.

I think GSW will likely only keep one of Poole or Wiggins as they both are due a new contract soon. Wiggins fills a bigger need so moving Poole makes more sense. Converting to a cost-controlled Suggs could allow them to keep GP2 as the back up SG & Suggs back up PG.

My thought process for ORL was they are already locked in with fultz & Anthony is a nice young stud in himself at the PG spot. This would convert Suggs, who I thought was a PG also, into two young SGs. Poole (22) is showing star potential himself and Moody is a high upside prospect.

If ORL would entertain it I have no doubt GSW wouldn’t mind throwing in draft capital to get it done but sounds like that’s not happening and makes total sense to not move on yet.

[Skybox]

Would a Suggs for Poole-Moody basis have something to work with? Works in trade checker. May have to wait for off-season though with how team is playing.

No...with Suggs, you're getting into Kuminga value, which ORL could have chosen. Two nice players, but ORL is definitely not looking to turn one into two given their current trajectory. They need to be going the opposite way with some sort of consolidation - trading two pretty good players/prospects/picks for one difference-maker. I'd really like to see ORL get a big SG, who can shoot...not another smaller guard like Poole.

That’s completely fair.

I think GSW will likely only keep one of Poole or Wiggins as they both are due a new contract soon. Wiggins fills a bigger need so moving Poole makes more sense. Converting to a cost-controlled Suggs could allow them to keep GP2 as the back up SG & Suggs back up PG.

My thought process for ORL was they are already locked in with fultz & Anthony is a nice young stud in himself at the PG spot. This would convert Suggs, who I thought was a PG also, into two young SGs. Poole (22) is showing star potential himself and Moody is a high upside prospect.

If ORL would entertain it I have no doubt GSW wouldn’t mind throwing in draft capital to get it done but sounds like that’s not happening and makes total sense to not move on yet.

I would do Cole Anthony for Moody, although a LOT of ORL would rightfully be upset. Cole might actually be a lot more offensive firepower off the bench than Suggs will ever be. I just don't see Cole being a starter for ORL long-term at PG. Just like Kuminga, I bet Cole could be "humbled" by his new GSW teammates and learn how to play a little more team ball than hero ball. I'm really pulling for Suggs' offense to catch up with his defense, physical profile, and leadership intangibles...but there's a real good chance he never catches up to Cole's scoring ability, rebounding, and taste for the bright lights...I'm still hoping Fultz comes back and gets at least a little closer to his massive upside (last chance-even I'll admit).

[FNQ]

Cole for Moody would be interesting, and I really like Moody. But Cole and Poole’s roles would overlap.. I’d rather do that if we could flip Poole for a wing, which would effectively be just swapping guards and wings with a couple teams.

But overarching point is that so like Cole better than Poole

A guy like Cole (ironically enough considering the deal) would be more helpful to spot up shooters, and that would make finding scrubs that fit even easier than it currently is. Poole does good enough at it, but he’s score first and the defense is kinda plateauing as average at best.

Hell, Poole for Cole could have some legs, but I don’t know who’s a higher value and/or if ORL would be willing to add. While I think Cole could fit better, I think Poole has scoring upside that he doesn’t.. so I’d probably want more

FWIW, Poole is a guard. Not a SG, not a PG, but a guard. You pair him with another player that can handle / distribute, you can put him in the 1 spot defensively and be just fine. But if you’re adhering rigidly to positions, then you probably wouldn’t want him. He doesn’t fit the 1 or 2 in that way.. but he’s still very valuable with top 2-3 scorer upside for a winning team

[wco81]

Main advantage would be not having to pay Poole but you'd have to pay Anthony in a couple of years.

[Commodor]

I would do Cole Anthony for Moody, although a LOT of ORL would rightfully be upset. Cole might actually be a lot more offensive firepower off the bench than Suggs will ever be. I just don't see Cole being a starter for ORL long-term at PG. Just like Kuminga, I bet Cole could be "humbled" by his new GSW teammates and learn how to play a little more team ball than hero ball. I'm really pulling for Suggs' offense to catch up with his defense, physical profile, and leadership intangibles...but there's a real good chance he never catches up to Cole's scoring ability, rebounding, and taste for the bright lights...I'm still hoping Fultz comes back and gets at least a little closer to his massive upside (last chance-even I'll admit).

Of all ORL’s young guards I want Cole the least. Not because he’s bad but I think his fit would be worst of the bunch. I think he’d be an awesome fit with a team like Miami, Boston or Utah.

GSW just doesn’t need an undersized playmaker or else they’d resign Poole over Wiggins. It’s why they traded DLO for Wiggins IMO. Their fit next to Curry is suspect at best. If Klay had never got hurt that may have changed things but it is what it is.

Suggs or Fultz fit their need better as point guard leaning combo guards who can play with both Curry & Klay. Not that either are particularly big but I think they fit best and Fultz is too expensive. So Suggs or nothing to me unfortunately.

[Skybox]

I would do Cole Anthony for Moody, although a LOT of ORL would rightfully be upset. Cole might actually be a lot more offensive firepower off the bench than Suggs will ever be. I just don't see Cole being a starter for ORL long-term at PG. Just like Kuminga, I bet Cole could be "humbled" by his new GSW teammates and learn how to play a little more team ball than hero ball. I'm really pulling for Suggs' offense to catch up with his defense, physical profile, and leadership intangibles...but there's a real good chance he never catches up to Cole's scoring ability, rebounding, and taste for the bright lights...I'm still hoping Fultz comes back and gets at least a little closer to his massive upside (last chance-even I'll admit).

Of all ORL’s young guards I want Cole the least. Not because he’s bad but I think his fit would be worst of the bunch. I think he’d be an awesome fit with a team like Miami, Boston or Utah.

GSW just doesn’t need an undersized playmaker or else they’d resign Poole over Wiggins. It’s why they traded DLO for Wiggins IMO. Their fit next to Curry is suspect at best. If Klay had never got hurt that may have changed things but it is what it is.

Suggs or Fultz fit their need better as point guard leaning combo guards who can play with both Curry & Klay. Not that either are particularly big but I think they fit best and Fultz is too expensive. So Suggs or nothing to me unfortunately.

Agree with your assessment, but now you're getting out of a trade for (just) Moody, IMO. Also, Fultz IS a big, strong PG and plays very physically. Suggs clearly doesn't mind mixing it up either...I really like Moody, but of the ORL guards we're discussing, even Cole might be an overpay-at least at this point in Moody's development. Cole has been afforded a lot more opportunity but he has shown exceptional offensive ability and rebounding.