Warriors Analyst wrote: northoakland510 wrote:
Warriors Analyst wrote:
Wiseman won't be useful next year in the playoffs. If you want to a win championship next year, you have to plan for the fact that it will be a miracle if Wiseman is able to play crunch time minutes. He's a project at this point. We are developing two bigs right now: Chriss and Smailagic. I think Smailagic is likely to ended up a wasted roster spot and I'd almost prefer he becomes part of a trade for an NBA ready player, but my point stands.
Size is cheap in the NBA right now. Kanter, Baynes, Looney all signed for about $5 million last year. DeAndre is getting $10 million a year and he's considered overpaid. Whiteside is making $22 million a year right and I don't think he'll get more than the MLE this year. The only guys worth paying more than $10 million a year are bigs who can play defense and shoot threes. The mid tier has some guys like Turner, Valicunas, Ibaka, and Gasol (although he has fallen off some). The high level tier is AD, Embiid, Porzingis, Towns, Jokic.
I just don't see Wiseman being as good as the mid-tier of Turner/Valicunas until at least his third year in the league, which means you still need another big C until then, which means we also probably can't use the MLE on a big wing, which should be a much bigger priority for this team. If you really want to develop a project big, you can still find interesting ones in the back of the draft. Mitchell Robinson was near the end of the first round. So was Gobert. Jokic was a second round pick. Whiteside was too. Robert Williams in Boston was drafted 27. Brandon Clarke in Memphis was drafted at the 21st pick. If you want to take a flier on a big, don't do it at the top of the draft unless they look to be generationally talented like Emiid or Towns or AD.
Look at the last teams standing right now and their bigs: Harrell was the 32nd pick in the draft. Zubac was the 32nd pick in the draft. Daniel Theiss is 6'8 and undrafted out of the German leagues. Robert Williams was the 27th pick in the draft. Kanter was the 4th pick in 2011 and he's unplayable on defense and only makes MLE money. Javale took 8 eight years to figure out how to play on winning teams. AD is an anomaly. Dwight just got excised from the rotation against Houston. Houston didn't have bigs. Miami has Bam and he went #14 overall. He had way better feel for the game than Wiseman did and is more comparable to Okungwu. Jokic was a second round pick. Mason Plumlee was the 22nd pick. Not one of those guys, save for Theiss and Adebayo to a lesser extent, came into the league ready to plug and play in the playoffs. Every single one of them took years to develop. We don't have that luxury at the C spot right now.
I really do not see why they do not have the luxury to develop a center. The core 3 are not getting any younger, and you can't just keep trading for vets.
Again, you can develop a center. We already are with Chriss and Smailagic, regardless of what you think of them. What I said is that I don't think it makes sense to take a development project center with the #2 pick when you look at the centers still standing in the playoffs, most of whom were drafted outside of the lotto and took a while to develop. My point is that if you want to develop a project center, it makes more sense do that with a pick later in the draft where you will still find really interesting players.
HOFers David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwan, and Tim Duncan (to list a few dominant 4s/5s) came into their rookie seasons averaging at least 20 ppg, 10 rppg, and 2 bpg. Do you guys really think he'll amass that much success his first go-around in his rookie season? Is that expectation set from those wanting to draft him? It's highly unlikely seeing how raw he is and limited he is, skill-wise.
I'd say he has the potential to take the KG or Andrew Bynum route where it'll take 2-4 seasons for him to understand the game and come into his own. If that's the case, Curry, Thompson, and Green are just about past their prime and we won't be competing in the post-season. Only good thing (Could be bad) is that Wiseman will be the future of the Warriors but on a rebuilding team. But, if Wiseman is just your typical 7ft athletic 5, then, retrospectively, we shouldn't have drafted him. But, we took a chance on him and it fell flat on our faces..