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Post#441 » by donkeylips » Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:00 am

I forgot to include picks
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Post#442 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:13 am

How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?
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Post#443 » by FNQ » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:18 am

YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?


Not particularly interested in adding assets to shed Wiggins' salary with the way he's playing. We're so far over the cap that cap savings just doesnt have much value, and Lowry does not seem like a long-term fit. If you are looking to absorb a bad contract and find a team that needs a PG, Wiggins' former team probably a better bet.
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Post#444 » by Coxy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:21 am

YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?


Absolutely zero interest in Lowry, unless it is for Oubre + Looney or something. Kyle is turning 35 in March and is expiring, and he likely does not resign with us in a backup role.
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Post#445 » by azwfan » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:25 am

YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?

I'm not interested right now. Maybe check back in around the trade deadline. In general i'm not in favor of using assets to shed salary unless there is a specific followup move that utilizes the added salary flexibility.
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Post#446 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:31 am

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YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?


Absolutely zero interest in Lowry, unless it is for Oubre + Looney or something. Kyle is turning 35 in March and is expiring, and he likely does not resign with us in a backup role.


Surprised by the negativity in this. Lowry would likely start for you guys with a starting lineup of Lowry/Curry/Oubre/Dray/Wiseman ans I think immediately makes you guys way way better. The dudes been still a top 25 player this year and next year when Klay comes back I think you’d immediately be championship favourites again

The dude has it in him still. I think he would be a good piece for a championship run
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Post#447 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:33 am

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YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?


Not particularly interested in adding assets to shed Wiggins' salary with the way he's playing. We're so far over the cap that cap savings just doesnt have much value, and Lowry does not seem like a long-term fit. If you are looking to absorb a bad contract and find a team that needs a PG, Wiggins' former team probably a better bet.

Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man
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Post#448 » by FNQ » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:46 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
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YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?


Not particularly interested in adding assets to shed Wiggins' salary with the way he's playing. We're so far over the cap that cap savings just doesnt have much value, and Lowry does not seem like a long-term fit. If you are looking to absorb a bad contract and find a team that needs a PG, Wiggins' former team probably a better bet.

Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man


We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.

To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent
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Post#449 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:55 am

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Not particularly interested in adding assets to shed Wiggins' salary with the way he's playing. We're so far over the cap that cap savings just doesnt have much value, and Lowry does not seem like a long-term fit. If you are looking to absorb a bad contract and find a team that needs a PG, Wiggins' former team probably a better bet.

Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man


We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.

To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent

Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.
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Post#450 » by Quazza » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:59 am

yeah he might be short, but Lowry is a dog. Strong
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Post#451 » by azwfan » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:09 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
FNQ wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man


We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.

To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent

Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.

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Post#452 » by FNQ » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:21 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
FNQ wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man


We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.

To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent

Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.

He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that

Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned

Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.

So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason
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Post#453 » by killmongrel » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:44 am

I think Excremento is going to just tank this year. What do you guys think about Oubre/Looney for Barnes?
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YogurtProducer wrote:
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We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.

To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent

Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.

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personally wouldn’t trade Him. Powell is the target
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YogurtProducer wrote:
FNQ wrote:
We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.

To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent

Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.

He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that

Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned

Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.

So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason

Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.

Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha
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Post#456 » by FNQ » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:03 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
FNQ wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.

He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that

Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned

Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.

So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason

Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.

Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha


Wiggins has been running our 2nd unit really, really well. And I think he'll start at SF next year - Oubre is definitely not looking like a piece we're keeping. As it stands, I think we look like this next year:

Curry /
Klay / Wiggins / Lee / Mulder
Wiggins / Lee
Draymond / Paschall
Wiseman / Looney / Paschall

And we'd have those 2 picks to play with as well. So ideally I think we'd be looking at a deal this year where we turn either Wiggins, but preferably Oubre, and those picks into a top of the line SF. That should be our path going forward. Now if Lowry helps expedite that in a 3 way trade, I can see that, but I cannot see a scenario where we acquire Lowry with the intent of using him on our roster

But if you are interested in getting worse, we do have Oubre here.. and he's a whole hell of a lot of fun to watch.
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Post#457 » by Coxy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:09 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
FNQ wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.

He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that

Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned

Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.

So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason

Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.

Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha


1. Would Lowry be OK coming off the bench next season?
2. Would Lowry resign with us for a cheaper, bench role.

Wiggins absolutely has a role with the Warriors, especially on defence. The lineup next season will be Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Green/Wiseman, so Lowry leading the bench unit and possibly being involved in the death lineup I can see. Wiggins for Lowry doesn't work, because Kyle Lowry will be 35 this season, 36 next season. Unless Kyle is drinking the Lebron fountain of youth, we aren't trading a 25 yr old above average wingman with great defence for a guy that will play 1, maybe 2 more seasons before his age will dramatically effect his play.

The only thing that makes sense here on our end is Oubre +/+ for Lowry, but the salaries are WAY off and we don't have the external salaries to bridge the gap.
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Post#458 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:11 am

Coxy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
FNQ wrote:He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that

Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned

Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.

So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason

Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.

Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha


1. Would Lowry be OK coming off the bench next season?
2. Would Lowry resign with us for a cheaper, bench role.

Wiggins absolutely has a role with the Warriors, especially on defence. The lineup next season will be Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Green/Wiseman, so Lowry leading the bench unit and possibly being involved in the death lineup I can see. Wiggins for Lowry doesn't work, because Kyle Lowry will be 35 this season, 36 next season. Unless Kyle is drinking the Lebron fountain of youth, we aren't trading a 25 yr old above average wingman with great defence for a guy that will play 1, maybe 2 more seasons before his age will dramatically effect his play.

The only thing that makes sense here on our end is Oubre +/+ for Lowry, but the salaries are WAY off and we don't have the external salaries to bridge the gap.

Wiggins must be playing better than he did last year and in Minny. I never thought he would be an untouchable piece haha
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Post#459 » by Coxy » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:20 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
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YogurtProducer wrote:Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.

Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha


1. Would Lowry be OK coming off the bench next season?
2. Would Lowry resign with us for a cheaper, bench role.

Wiggins absolutely has a role with the Warriors, especially on defence. The lineup next season will be Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Green/Wiseman, so Lowry leading the bench unit and possibly being involved in the death lineup I can see. Wiggins for Lowry doesn't work, because Kyle Lowry will be 35 this season, 36 next season. Unless Kyle is drinking the Lebron fountain of youth, we aren't trading a 25 yr old above average wingman with great defence for a guy that will play 1, maybe 2 more seasons before his age will dramatically effect his play.

The only thing that makes sense here on our end is Oubre +/+ for Lowry, but the salaries are WAY off and we don't have the external salaries to bridge the gap.

Wiggins must be playing better than he did last year and in Minny. I never thought he would be an untouchable piece haha


Who said he was untouchable?

Thanks for admitting that you don't even watch games though. These offers make more sense now.
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Post#460 » by InWestWeTrust » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:21 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
FNQ wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.

He couldn't, but

it merits more of an explanation than just that

Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned

Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.

So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason

Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.

Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha


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