Week 4- Bears @ LIons A rivalry renewed

[bearadonisdna]

Sorry dont have all the technological knowhow of emp for the pics and stuff but its thursday and we need a thread for this week.

Bear injuries;Out Melton

[bearadonisdna]

Big ups to Emp who runs this board.

[blumeany]

I think people are over hyping the Lions. They are the same team they've been, and the Bears without a revamped offense have owned them. 31-17.

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[bearadonisdna]

I think people are over hyping the Lions. They are the same team they've been, and the Bears without a revamped offense have owned them. 31-17.

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Thats mostly because we had a D back then. If u really think about it bro, we lost melton and idonije from our rush last year. Thats over 13 sacks gone.
Anyways could have a roody poo no sack defense prolong the life of ur qb,? as teams would head hunt less for ur qb since ur not destroying theirs?

[BullHeaded]

Key to this game is simple: If the front 4 generate a pass rush this game isn't close. If they don't we will either be doomed by check downs to Reggie Bush when we blitz, or Megatron making big grabs downfield because we don't blitz.

If the LBs can just focus on bottling up Reggie Bush and Pettigrew in the passing game and Stafford can't let plays develop downfield, I am more than confident that our offense can score enough points to take this game.

If we win, we will have a two game lead on the Lions including a head to head victory, likely a two game lead on the Packers, and at least a three game lead on the Vikings with a head to head victory (you can consider them buried). With a loss though, the Lions are at the top of the division in a very close two or three way horse race. Its a long season and anyone can recover from whatever the outcome of this game, but it would still be a nice insurance policy.

[BullHeaded]

I think people are over hyping the Lions. They are the same team they've been, and the Bears without a revamped offense have owned them. 31-17.

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Thats mostly because we had a D back then. If u really think about it bro, we lost melton and idonije from our rush last year. Thats over 13 sacks gone.
Anyways could have a roody poo no sack defense prolong the life of ur qb,? as teams would head hunt less for ur qb since ur not destroying theirs?

Honestly, Melton cooled off after a hot start last season. I have seen nothing in the two and a half games he played this year (or heard anything in training camp for that matter) to indicate that he had rediscovered his inner beast. The pass rush actually looked great in the pre-season from the DL when Collins was in there. There's some hope with NC in the game.

[bearadonisdna]

I think people are over hyping the Lions. They are the same team they've been, and the Bears without a revamped offense have owned them. 31-17.

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Thats mostly because we had a D back then. If u really think about it bro, we lost melton and idonije from our rush last year. Thats over 13 sacks gone.
Anyways could have a roody poo no sack defense prolong the life of ur qb,? as teams would head hunt less for ur qb since ur not destroying theirs?

Honestly, Melton cooled off after a hot start last season. I have seen nothing in the two and a half games he played this year (or heard anything in training camp for that matter) to indicate that he had rediscovered his inner beast. The pass rush actually looked great in the pre-season from the DL when Collins was in there. There's some hope with NC in the game.

I find this the most interesting. Is it believable Nick Collins is better than Melton? The only other difference in the rush besides that was the MLB in the 4-3.

[BullHeaded]

Thats mostly because we had a D back then. If u really think about it bro, we lost melton and idonije from our rush last year. Thats over 13 sacks gone.
Anyways could have a roody poo no sack defense prolong the life of ur qb,? as teams would head hunt less for ur qb since ur not destroying theirs?

Honestly, Melton cooled off after a hot start last season. I have seen nothing in the two and a half games he played this year (or heard anything in training camp for that matter) to indicate that he had rediscovered his inner beast. The pass rush actually looked great in the pre-season from the DL when Collins was in there. There's some hope with NC in the game.

I find this the most interesting. Is it believable Nick Collins is better than Melton? The only other difference is the rush besides that was the MLB in the 4-3.

To make it even stranger, the other variable was not having Julius Peppers out there. But this is interesting. I like ProFootballFocus.com, but I admit they fall short when they grade solely on results without adjusting for quality of competition. That said, I just read this about Nate Collins versus Henry Melton:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... ns-week-4/
"The Bears learned this week that they’ll be without PFF’s 84th best player for the rest of the season after Henry Melton tore his ACL. If there is any silver lining to that news it’s that it would be almost impossible for his replacements to be playing worse than Melton was through three weeks. The franchise-tagged defensive tackle had a grade of -6.4, which was the worst of any defensive tackle by some margin. He had just two pressures in 74 pass rushes and wasn’t even interested in trying to defend the run most of the time.

Fourth-year defensive tackle Nate Collins appears primed to replace him, and his play has certainly earned it. This offseason I wrote about how impressed I was with him in his 247 snaps in 2012 for our Secret Superstar series. In 89 snaps this season Collins has doubled Melton’s pressure total while also maintaining a solid +0.4 run defense grade. It remains to be seen how he’ll adjust to a higher volume of snaps, but if his play so far is any indicator Bears fans have little reason to be concerned."

[CBS7]

Really not too concerned about Melton's injury on its own with how he was playing.. a shake up in the D Line rotation/roster could be a blessing in disguise.

[RedBulls23]

I think people are over hyping the Lions. They are the same team they've been, and the Bears without a revamped offense have owned them. 31-17.

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I mostly agree, but I worry about possibly not having Tillman or a limited Tillman against Calvin Johnson. And if we keep blitzing our safties like we have been, we could get shred up by Reggie Bush, Tony Scheffler or even guys like Fauria/Pettigrew in the passing game.

We absoulutely need to get the preassure from the d-line.

[bearadonisdna]

I think people are over hyping the Lions. They are the same team they've been, and the Bears without a revamped offense have owned them. 31-17.

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I mostly agree, but I worry about possibly not having Tillman or a limited Tillman against Calvin Johnson. And if we keep blitzing our safties like we have been, we could get shred up by Reggie Bush, Tony Scheffler or even guys like Fauria/Pettigrew in the passing game.

We absoulutely need to get the preassure from the d-line.

Which we have seen in this system is practically impossible. Even last week it looked like most of the good pressure came from blitzes. Like Williams two sacks.

[heir_jordan22]

How is it impossible? Its the same system as last year

[patryk7754]

I think we are 7-1 since the Cutler has been here and the one loss was one of Cutler's best games as a bear. This team is a lot like the Patriots last year. We allow a lot of yards but get a lot of turnovers. Outside the pass rush criticism I think the criticism of the defense has been over blown some what. I am concerned about Tillman vs Johnson though. Last year Tillman was able to keep Johnson in check but this year I don't think Tillman has played pass defense very well. Outside of one good play against AJ Green, Tillman was dominated. (the second int was lucky).

I predict that our pass rush is significantly better, at least 3 sacks, two from Peppers. 2 Ints for the defense. Cutler throws 3tds 0 ints. Bears win 34-24

[RedBulls23]

How is it impossible? Its the same system as last year

I agree. The players need to perform better.

It sounds bad to say, but I think Meltons injury and Nate Collins addition could be a blessing in disguise for the pass rush. Peppers should also be in better game shape coming into week 4. He did play better last week against a good Steelers defense so it's a good sign.

[NZB2323]

Reggie Bush is expected to play and Tillman is questionable.

Am I the only one who thinks that Tim Jennings is better than Tillman? A lot of times Tillman goes for a turnover and botches a tackle or his coverage. Jennings seems to generate turnovers while covering his man and making tackles.

This year and last year Jennings has had 10 interceptions, while Tillman has had 5 interceptions and 10 forced fumbles. I wasn't able to find the stat on how many of those fumbles the Bears recovered, but it seems to me that even if Tillman is better at generating turnovers, Jennings is better because he doesn't gamble as much to get those turnovers.

I'm excited to see what Collins can do. Our defensive line needs something.

The Lions may be a better team on paper, but they are the best team in the NFL at finding a way to lose. I say that Cutler shreds their defense and we get a couple of turnovers on defense to win 34-24.

[bearadonisdna]

Reggie Bush is expected to play and Tillman is questionable.

Am I the only one who thinks that Tim Jennings is better than Tillman? A lot of times Tillman goes for a turnover and botches a tackle or his coverage. Jennings seems to generate turnovers while covering his man and making tackles.

This year and last year Jennings has had 10 interceptions, while Tillman has had 5 interceptions and 10 forced fumbles. I wasn't able to find the stat on how many of those fumbles the Bears recovered, but it seems to me that even if Tillman is better at generating turnovers, Jennings is better because he doesn't gamble as much to get those turnovers.

I'm excited to see what Collins can do. Our defensive line needs something.

The Lions may be a better team on paper, but they are the best team in the NFL at finding a way to lose. I say that Cutler shreds their defense and we get a couple of turnovers on defense to win 34-24.

Its sad to think the lions are a better team on paper. Anyways abut Tillman and Jennings they are both elite corners right now.One thing is for sure Tillman has been doing it better for longer and Jennings has come on these past two seasons. Tillman usually gets the tougher bigger cover so maybe thats why the int numbers are swayed.

[heir_jordan22]

there is no way Jennings is better than Tillman. He held Calvin Johnson to 30something and 70something yards last year in a record setting year for receiving yards. he does it to all the big elite receivers. AJ Green had a field day because they were not playing Tillman in press coverage for some reason. And 4 or 5 of Greens catches came against other DBs

[heir_jordan22]

I think we will put Wright on Bush, which should be a really good matchup.

[bearadonisdna]

I think we will put Wright on Bush, which should be a really good matchup.

IMO Bush should be easily contained by the front 7. He is no AP who we did admirably against despite Melton playing the most terrible DT in the league. Making our safeties have to account for him is gonna hurt our downfield coverage. Many of yall may not like me as im not a heavy blitz fan and like the old regime was steadfast that pressure HAD to come from the front 4.

[luss54321]

Somehow Reggie Bush became one of the most overrated players in the league... In 7 years he averages less than 600 yards per season... In the last 3 years he has 34, 43, and 35 receptions. Yet we need to game plan for him like he's one of the top playmakers in the NFL?