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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#401 » by sdn40 » Sun May 2, 2021 8:28 pm

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If I'm a Top 5 QB and the team wants to keep my contract at basically a year to year thing - I tell them to go pound sand. If you want me year to year, pay me a humongous premium for that convenience. I'm not Kevin King


A premium like getting an extension to be the highest paid QB in the league??


That depends on the years offered - guarantees - etc. If I'm reading the numbers correctly, if Rodgers blows up his knee this season, the Packers give him $20m and say so sorry for your misfortune - we'll honor you at halftime someday - bye. Would you be cool with that if you were Rodgers ??
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#402 » by CWoodfan » Sun May 2, 2021 9:06 pm

BUCKnation wrote:I rather just roll with Love if were thinking about getting Bridgewater. We wouldn't be winning anything with him anyways, easily one of the most overrated QB's in the league.

If Gutey thinks that it is a bit warm under the collar now, can you imagine the the G & G faithful in a few months having to watch Teddy I'm on my 5th team in 3 years Bridgewater noodle arm desperation INTs in losses against say a Justin Fields led Bears team or

I mean, ya gotta think that the Pack at KC game is going to be set for prime time ... and even the die-hard management loyalists would have a hard time digesting a matchup in which the football watching nation would be treated to a Bridgewater-Mahomes duel LOL!

Gutey has backed himself into quite the corner.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#403 » by M-C-G » Sun May 2, 2021 10:05 pm

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If I'm a Top 5 QB and the team wants to keep my contract at basically a year to year thing - I tell them to go pound sand. If you want me year to year, pay me a humongous premium for that convenience. I'm not Kevin King


A premium like getting an extension to be the highest paid QB in the league??


That depends on the years offered - guarantees - etc. If I'm reading the numbers correctly, if Rodgers blows up his knee this season, the Packers give him $20m and say so sorry for your misfortune - we'll honor you at halftime someday - bye. Would you be cool with that if you were Rodgers ??


I’d be cool with the contract I signed last year, yes. Or I wouldn’t have signed it.

This is clearly about Rodgers wanting to control when he is no longer the qb and it just doesn’t work that way.


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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

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A premium like getting an extension to be the highest paid QB in the league??


That depends on the years offered - guarantees - etc. If I'm reading the numbers correctly, if Rodgers blows up his knee this season, the Packers give him $20m and say so sorry for your misfortune - we'll honor you at halftime someday - bye. Would you be cool with that if you were Rodgers ??


I’d be cool with the contract I signed last year, yes. Or I wouldn’t have signed it.

This is clearly about Rodgers wanting to control when he is no longer the qb and it just doesn’t work that way.


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Yes. I'm sure he's worried about being beat out by Love who couldn't even beat out Boyle
I think it's also fair to assume that they approached him for a re-structure - so you can't have it both ways. They should have been happy with the contract they signed. Also with Gute, MM, and MLF each running out to meet with him multiple times, it sure looks like damage control to me. Quite contradictory to the "we've done nothing wrong and Rodgers is our starter."
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#405 » by hege53190 » Mon May 3, 2021 2:19 am

Profound23 wrote:I understand both point-of-views. Nobody is 100% correct in this debacle. However, I think Rodgers is more in the wrong here.

You don't allow a player to dictate how you run your front office. With that said if they fired Gute to hire John Dorsey I would love it.


Sure. But why is Rodgers the only person holding people accountable with a sense of urgency?

Why are we selecting 3rd string QBs in the first round when we are 13-3 with an all-pro QB?

Why are we selecting RBs in the second round to be our 3rd string RB when we have an all pro at the position?

Why are we kicking FGs in the NFC championship game down 8 less than 2 minutes left and within 10yards of the end zone?

The packers have had 2 of the top 10 qbs in NFL history at the helm for over 30 years and only 2 Super Bowls to show for it. Why are more people not upset about this?
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2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#406 » by M-C-G » Mon May 3, 2021 2:56 am

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That depends on the years offered - guarantees - etc. If I'm reading the numbers correctly, if Rodgers blows up his knee this season, the Packers give him $20m and say so sorry for your misfortune - we'll honor you at halftime someday - bye. Would you be cool with that if you were Rodgers ??


I’d be cool with the contract I signed last year, yes. Or I wouldn’t have signed it.

This is clearly about Rodgers wanting to control when he is no longer the qb and it just doesn’t work that way.


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Yes. I'm sure he's worried about being beat out by Love who couldn't even beat out Boyle
I think it's also fair to assume that they approached him for a re-structure - so you can't have it both ways. They should have been happy with the contract they signed. Also with Gute, MM, and MLF each running out to meet with him multiple times, it sure looks like damage control to me. Quite contradictory to the "we've done nothing wrong and Rodgers is our starter."

I don’t know where you want to go with this discussion but the whole ‘couldn’t beat out Boyle’ is a joke. Can you accept we drafted a developmental qb or not? If you can’t there us nothing to discuss, if you can, it would clearly be better to have a backup that spent a year in the system especially given no OTAs or preseason.

As far as extension it would seem obvious the disagreement was on years of who is control. We appeared to not want to add more years where we didn’t have control and he appeared to want more years where he had control. And here we are

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#407 » by sdn40 » Mon May 3, 2021 4:23 am

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I don’t know where you want to go with this discussion but the whole ‘couldn’t beat out Boyle’ is a joke. Can you accept we drafted a developmental qb or not? If you can’t there us nothing to discuss, if you can, it would clearly be better to have a backup that spent a year in the system especially given no OTAs or preseason.

As far as extension it would seem obvious the disagreement was on years of who is control. We appeared to not want to add more years where we didn’t have control and he appeared to want more years where he had control. And here we are

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What's the fascination with this control narrative ?? Kenny Clark just signed a new deal. Aren't you afraid that he has control of the Packers now ??
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#408 » by RRyder823 » Mon May 3, 2021 4:39 am

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What's the fascination with this control narrative ?? Kenny Clark just signed a new deal. Aren't you afraid that he has control of the Packers now ??
If Clark demands a new contract next season 1 year into the extension id take issue with that as well

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#409 » by Reddeye » Mon May 3, 2021 4:56 am

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Profound23 wrote:I understand both point-of-views. Nobody is 100% correct in this debacle. However, I think Rodgers is more in the wrong here.

You don't allow a player to dictate how you run your front office. With that said if they fired Gute to hire John Dorsey I would love it.


Sure. But why is Rodgers the only person holding people accountable with a sense of urgency?

Why are we selecting 3rd string QBs in the first round when we are 13-3 with an all-pro QB?

Why are we selecting RBs in the second round to be our 3rd string RB when we have an all pro at the position?

Why are we kicking FGs in the NFC championship game down 8 less than 2 minutes left and within 10yards of the end zone?

The packers have had 2 of the top 10 qbs in NFL history at the helm for over 30 years and only 2 Super Bowls to show for it. Why are more people not upset about this?


Rodgers didn't even hold himself accountable. Why did he wait until they drafted Love to look back to earlier in his career to see what he was doing different. This also shows that he knew he wasn't playing as well as he could so he should not have been surprised they drafted a QB.

No way of knowing if Love would have been the third string QB with a normal offseason.

without the short offseason and then getting Covid maybe Dillon wouldn't have been the number 3. At the end of the season they were using Dillon and Jones on the field at the same time. Also Jones hasn't been the picture of health. Not sure you want to overuse him.

I would have went for it, but Rodgers did get three cracks at it and none were very good. Maybe if he scrambles and gets closer Lafleur goes for it. Analytics were almost 50-50 to either go for it or kick the fg.

I don't get upset about sports anymore. I enjoy watching, but it is nothing to get that worked up about.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#410 » by RRyder823 » Mon May 3, 2021 5:41 am

To the posters bringing up how Love couldn't even beat out Boyle and was the #3 last year you do understand Rodgers couldn't even beat out Craig Nall and was the #3 his rookie year as well right?

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#411 » by sdn40 » Mon May 3, 2021 6:40 am

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What's the fascination with this control narrative ?? Kenny Clark just signed a new deal. Aren't you afraid that he has control of the Packers now ??
If Clark demands a new contract next season 1 year into the extension id take issue with that as well

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The Packers went to Rodgers, not the other way around, so Rodgers should "take issue." Thanks
The contract was signed in 2018. I know - math is really really hard
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Post#412 » by JayMKE » Mon May 3, 2021 6:49 am

I don’t see much logic in thinking Love is totally unprepared right now but will good to go by year 3 or are we thinking year 4? How many years is he even under contract? You take a QB like this in later rounds not the 1st.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#413 » by humanrefutation » Mon May 3, 2021 6:59 am

JayMKE wrote:I don’t see much logic in thinking Love is totally unprepared right now but will good to go by year 3 or are we thinking year 4? How many years is he even under contract? You take a QB like this in later rounds not the 1st.


It's hard to say how prepared he is. He didn't have a normal training camp or a preseason. He probably got few if any snaps in practice.

Rodgers was ready by year 4. He sat behind Favre for three years. He looked like trash those first two preseasons, but then something clicked.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#414 » by sdn40 » Mon May 3, 2021 7:04 am

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JayMKE wrote:I don’t see much logic in thinking Love is totally unprepared right now but will good to go by year 3 or are we thinking year 4? How many years is he even under contract? You take a QB like this in later rounds not the 1st.


It's hard to say how prepared he is. He didn't have a normal training camp or a preseason. He probably got few if any snaps in practice.

Rodgers was ready by year 4. He sat behind Favre for three years. He looked like trash those first two preseasons, but then something clicked.


Rodgers also had the benefit of a separate QB school IIRC
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Post#415 » by SIMMIES » Mon May 3, 2021 8:15 am

I would tell Rodgers as he's heading out the door that he can a) retire as a Bronco, b) watch our practice squad QB wear his #12, c) not retire his jersey, d) forget having a "ring of honor ceremony" ala Favre eight years later. Enjoy your legacy, Aaron.
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Post#416 » by JayMKE » Mon May 3, 2021 9:15 am

SIMMIES wrote:I would tell Rodgers as he's heading out the door that he can a) retire as a Bronco, b) watch our practice squad QB wear his #12, c) not retire his jersey, d) forget having a "ring of honor ceremony" ala Favre eight years later. Enjoy your legacy, Aaron.

I think you need to get over it, cutting your nose off to spite your face is dumb.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#417 » by hege53190 » Mon May 3, 2021 10:39 am

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Profound23 wrote:I understand both point-of-views. Nobody is 100% correct in this debacle. However, I think Rodgers is more in the wrong here.

You don't allow a player to dictate how you run your front office. With that said if they fired Gute to hire John Dorsey I would love it.


Sure. But why is Rodgers the only person holding people accountable with a sense of urgency?

Why are we selecting 3rd string QBs in the first round when we are 13-3 with an all-pro QB?

Why are we selecting RBs in the second round to be our 3rd string RB when we have an all pro at the position?

Why are we kicking FGs in the NFC championship game down 8 less than 2 minutes left and within 10yards of the end zone?

The packers have had 2 of the top 10 qbs in NFL history at the helm for over 30 years and only 2 Super Bowls to show for it. Why are more people not upset about this?


Rodgers didn't even hold himself accountable. Why did he wait until they drafted Love to look back to earlier in his career to see what he was doing different. This also shows that he knew he wasn't playing as well as he could so he should not have been surprised they drafted a QB.

No way of knowing if Love would have been the third string QB with a normal offseason.


1.). He was stuck with McCarthy for 10 seasons. Everyone was happy with 11 win seasons under McCarthy. Rodgers got McCarthy fired. He wasn’t happy. He was stuck being the nice guy with a bunch of idiots around him and he can only play one side of the ball. For the last decade it hasn’t been our offense failing us every playoff. It is giving up 30-40 points to basically everyone.

2.) whether you are second string or third string QB doesn’t matter. You are not playing and not contributing to helping a team win a championship.
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Post#418 » by hege53190 » Mon May 3, 2021 10:48 am

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SIMMIES wrote:I would tell Rodgers as he's heading out the door that he can a) retire as a Bronco, b) watch our practice squad QB wear his #12, c) not retire his jersey, d) forget having a "ring of honor ceremony" ala Favre eight years later. Enjoy your legacy, Aaron.

I think you need to get over it, cutting your nose off to spite your face is dumb.


Yeah the best way to deal with possibly the the best Packer of all time that is upset with you wasting his prime with incompetence probably isn’t doubling down with incompetence and severing all ties permanently with possibly the best Packer of all-time.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#419 » by Profound23 » Mon May 3, 2021 12:06 pm

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Profound23 wrote:I understand both point-of-views. Nobody is 100% correct in this debacle. However, I think Rodgers is more in the wrong here.

You don't allow a player to dictate how you run your front office. With that said if they fired Gute to hire John Dorsey I would love it.


Sure. But why is Rodgers the only person holding people accountable with a sense of urgency?

Why are we selecting 3rd string QBs in the first round when we are 13-3 with an all-pro QB?

Why are we selecting RBs in the second round to be our 3rd string RB when we have an all pro at the position?

Why are we kicking FGs in the NFC championship game down 8 less than 2 minutes left and within 10yards of the end zone?

The packers have had 2 of the top 10 qbs in NFL history at the helm for over 30 years and only 2 Super Bowls to show for it. Why are more people not upset about this?


I don't believe Love is a 3rd string qb. We drafted him because Rodgers had been declining.

Dillon was a great pick and another weapon to help Rodgers control the clock...along with these olinemen.

We kicked a fg because Rodgers forced the ball to Adams on the final drive instead of running it in for a td.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#420 » by sdn40 » Mon May 3, 2021 1:01 pm

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Profound23 wrote:I understand both point-of-views. Nobody is 100% correct in this debacle. However, I think Rodgers is more in the wrong here.

You don't allow a player to dictate how you run your front office. With that said if they fired Gute to hire John Dorsey I would love it.


Sure. But why is Rodgers the only person holding people accountable with a sense of urgency?

Why are we selecting 3rd string QBs in the first round when we are 13-3 with an all-pro QB?

Why are we selecting RBs in the second round to be our 3rd string RB when we have an all pro at the position?

Why are we kicking FGs in the NFC championship game down 8 less than 2 minutes left and within 10yards of the end zone?

The packers have had 2 of the top 10 qbs in NFL history at the helm for over 30 years and only 2 Super Bowls to show for it. Why are more people not upset about this?


I don't believe Love is a 3rd string qb. We drafted him because Rodgers had been declining.

Dillon was a great pick and another weapon to help Rodgers control the clock...along with these olinemen.

We kicked a fg because Rodgers forced the ball to Adams on the final drive instead of running it in for a td.


You ever play Quarterback ?? Other than backyard or Madden ?? Because fans who dig up still frame photos and scream about what should have been done, have no clue what's happening in those moments

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