Herron, Morency both cut

xTitan · Post #1 » by **xTitan** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:20 pm

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/app ... NTCAROUSEL

I was a bit surprised to see Herron and Morency both go and apparently Kuhn stick. All 7 LB's made it and the Packers cut Malone, Muir, and Bolston....gives them 3 defensive tackles from my count, with Jenkins apparently going to have playing time there as well.

aaprigs311 · Post #2 » by **aaprigs311** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:25 pm

I don't quite understand why they cut Malone and Muir. I haven't followed either closely at all this preseason, but with our lack of depth on the D-line I'm surprised they both got the boot.

xTitan · Post #3 » by **xTitan** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:26 pm

I guess that I am expecting some kind of a deal to be made, right now they are better situated to be a 3-4 defense. They also have a ton of DE's.

aaprigs311 · Post #4 » by **aaprigs311** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:31 pm

I was going to start a different thread, but I'll just add to this one.

Any cuts around the league that you guys think could help us out?

aaprigs311 · Post #5 » by **aaprigs311** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:33 pm

Not sure if anyone has ever heard of Junior Siavii, but he'd be a DT I'd look at if I was TT. Big, strong, vet run stuffer.

Chris Simms could be a back up QB option.

aaprigs311 · Post #6 » by **aaprigs311** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:41 pm

If anyone has a link to a site with a complete list of cuts I'd appreciate it.

eagle13 · Post #7 » by **eagle13** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:44 pm

xTitan wrote:http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080830/PKR01/80830052/1058&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

I was a bit surprised to see Herron and Morency both go and apparently Kuhn stick. All 7 LB's made it and the Packers cut Malone, Muir, and Bolston....gives them 3 defensive tackles from my count, with Jenkins apparently going to have playing time there as well.

I'm not surprised at all. NO way they could keep 4 HBs. And Lumpkin has huge upside. VM & Noah are both solid guys but Kregg may be our 2nd best RB - better than Jax. With coaches saying they do not want to burn Grant - I can see Kregg getting a fair amount of snaps to give Grant a breather (like after long gains) and Jax being 3rd dn back.

No real surprises. Injury saved Costin from being cut - POS>
Bush sux as CB but since he's a solid ST teams guy and may be OK as S - I'll get off his case. Tho he still is not safe.

Pack will certainly sign a LS and a DT b4 opener. What two guys will go to make room? One of Peprah or Bush - and we should be able to find a trading partner for one of our 4 reserve LBs. Ideally a LB for a DT or some team that will give at least a 6th .

eagle13 · Post #8 » by **eagle13** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:46 pm

aaprigs311 wrote:If anyone has a link to a site with a complete list of cuts I'd appreciate it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/app ... NTCAROUSEL

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archi ... to-53.aspx

Post #9 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:49 pm

None of the guys I was worried about were cut. I'm very pleased with the results.

I think Orien Harris would be a very nice pickup if he could be signed.

eagle13 · Post #10 » by **eagle13** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:51 pm

xTitan wrote:I guess that I am expecting some kind of a deal to be made, right now they are better situated to be a 3-4 defense. They also have a ton of DE's.

titan that's true personnel wise. But did they ever really show it or practice it much. Its a litte late to make a radical change like that?

More likely Pack will get another DT - by either FA or trade & loose a LB by trade or cut (or White to PUP).

aaprigs311 · Post #11 » by **aaprigs311** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:54 pm

eagle13 wrote:
aaprigs311 wrote:If anyone has a link to a site with a complete list of cuts I'd appreciate it.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/app ... NTCAROUSEL

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archi ... to-53.aspx

I meant a league-wide list, but thanks anyways.

xTitan · Post #12 » by **xTitan** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:16 am

eagle13 wrote:
xTitan wrote:I guess that I am expecting some kind of a deal to be made, right now they are better situated to be a 3-4 defense. They also have a ton of DE's.

titan that's true personnel wise. But did they ever really show it or practice it much. Its a litte late to make a radical change like that?

More likely Pack will get another DT - by either FA or trade & loose a LB by trade or cut (or White to PUP).

I agree 100% with you.......

aaprigs311 · Post #13 » by **aaprigs311** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:28 am

Nick Hayden cut by the Panthers. That's too bad.

TheGhostDog · Post #14 » by **TheGhostDog** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:29 am

Congrats to Kregg Lumpkin, his making the squad ensures future fireworks on this forum. Not to name names, but there are certain posters here that will say how much they love him now, but as soon as he gets hurt will crucify TT for expecting anything from an injury-prone player in college (Lumpkin missed one whole season with a knee and only played 5 games last year due to knee and thumb injuries.)

Ayt · Post #15 » by **Ayt** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:39 am

The only real surprise to me is Muir. I thought he'd be the 4th DT.

eagle13 · Post #16 » by **eagle13** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:58 am

Ayt wrote:The only real surprise to me is Muir. I thought he'd be the 4th DT.

Maybe mild surprise after sorta good last game. But I applaud TT for going for the gusto. Why accept mediocre? Take a shot at some new blood.

eagle13 · Post #17 » by **eagle13** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:15 am

TheGhostDog wrote:Congrats to Kregg Lumpkin, his making the squad ensures future fireworks on this forum. Not to name names, but there are certain posters here that will say how much they love him now, but as soon as he gets hurt will crucify TT for expecting anything from an injury-prone player in college (Lumpkin missed one whole season with a knee and only played 5 games last year due to knee and thumb injuries.)

Not likely. Only similarity is injured in college. Big difference between giving a roster spot to a street FA who worked hard and SHOWED promise in CAMP is WAY different than spending a 1st rd pick for guy who eats all off season.

IF Kregg flops = it cost us 1 spot for Morency or Herron - big deal.

IF JH busts it cost us a 1st and arguably led to Cory's departure. Big double whammy.

eagle13 · Post #18 » by **eagle13** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:19 am

Personallly I'd trade Chillar. Bishop & Hodge look good, are younger & less expensive and I think Chillar could get more. At any rate with whatever 2 good position players we should keep a top ST guy like White.

Ayt · Post #19 » by **Ayt** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:07 am

eagle13 wrote:
Ayt wrote:The only real surprise to me is Muir. I thought he'd be the 4th DT.

Maybe mild surprise after sorta good last game. But I applaud TT for going for the gusto. Why accept mediocre? Take a shot at some new blood.

Yeah, the last game he played well but the other games he got blown off the ball a lot. They have to have some people in mind I'd think unless they really feel comfortable with Jenkins adding another body inside with Montgomery and Hunter playing outside. I actually wouldn't mind Montgomery playing more (he seems to play the run extremely well), but I'm not sure how well Jenkins can play inside in our defense.

eagle13 wrote:Personallly I'd trade Chillar. Bishop & Hodge look good, are younger & less expensive and I think Chillar could get more. At any rate with whatever 2 good position players we should keep a top ST guy like White.

The problem with that is that Chillar was a FA signing. It is generally frowned upon to sign a guy to a multi-year deal then trade him. I don't think the NFL has any rules against it -- though it is certainly possible -- but it doesn't happen. I thought Chillar played pretty well this preseason so I'd keep him based on his play alone anyway.

I could see Hodge being cut, though its a tough one. I still like Bishop better at backup MLB and that is really the only place Hodge can play. Hodge played well, but I think he's still a 3rd string MLB in the end on this team and he's an unknown as a ST player.

eagle13 · Post #20 » by **eagle13** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:08 am

Ayt wrote:
eagle13 wrote:Personallly I'd trade Chillar. Bishop & Hodge look good, are younger & less expensive and I think Chillar could get more. At any rate with whatever 2 good position players we should keep a top ST guy like White.

The problem with that is that Chillar was a FA signing. It is generally frowned upon to sign a guy to a multi-year deal then trade him. I don't think the NFL has any rules against it -- though it is certainly possible -- but it doesn't happen. I thought Chillar played pretty well this preseason so I'd keep him based on his play alone anyway.

I could see Hodge being cut, though its a tough one. I still like Bishop better at backup MLB and that is really the only place Hodge can play. Hodge played well, but I think he's still a 3rd string MLB in the end on this team and he's an unknown as a ST player.

Your right about trading Chillar right after signing. And I agree about Bishop. Probably about Hodge too but I hope we can get a pick for him.