Who's the better back up PG?

mosarsour · Post #1 » by **mosarsour** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:32 pm

Travis Diener or Jarret Jack?

sabi · Post #2 » by **sabi** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:13 pm

Jack by a mile, you don't even know...

CableKC · Post #3 » by **CableKC** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:55 pm

Jack complements Ford and Diener more.

joew8302 · Post #4 » by **joew8302** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:02 pm

Well lets look at the numbers from last year

PG 1

Mins/game- 27.2
Points/gm- 9.9
fg %- 43.1
3 pt%- 34.2%
ft %- 86.7
RPG- 2.9
APG- 3.18
TO/Gm- 2.17

PG 2

Mins/game- 20.5
Points/gm- 6.9
fg%- 37.0
3 pt%- 31.8
ft%- 90.1
RPG- 1.7
APG- 3.8
TO/Gm- .83

Also, PG 1 is a MUCH better defender. So in summary PG 2 takes better care of the ball while PG 1 shoots the ball better, rebounds the ball better and is the better defender. PG 1= Jack, PG 2= Diener. Jack should clearly be the backup IMO.

Post #5 » by **PR07** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:28 pm

Diener's a nice player, but Jack is and should be a lot better.

dixava · Post #6 » by **dixava** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:56 pm

In general Jack is cleary better, but in specifics games Diener can be more important.
But the important is that one complements the other and vice-versa.

Wizop · Post #7 » by **Wizop** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:42 pm

Diener's going to be an energy guy. Jack is going to be a stopper.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #8 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:10 am

I didn't realize Jack had such an alarming assist-to-turnover ratio. Still, he's clearly a better scorer, shooter, and a much better defender than Jack.

PDXKnight · Post #9 » by **PDXKnight** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:24 am

Wizop wrote:Diener's going to be an energy guy. Jack is going to be a stopper.

Bucky O'Hare wrote:I didn't realize Jack had such an alarming assist-to-turnover ratio. Still, he's clearly a better scorer, shooter, and a much better defender than Jack (I assume you meant Diener).

I think many of you are overrating Jack's defensive abilities. Jack had been known as a good defender coming into the league and many of us Blazer fans were convinced that he had promise of becoming a defensive PG early in his tenure with Portland, but unfortunately he never really improved his defense much. That said, I think Jack could be a good offensive player in the right system. He had his difficulties in Portland last season, but could very well prove to be a very serviceable backup for the Pacers.

cdash · Post #10 » by **cdash** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:54 am

As long as he keeps the turnovers down, I am fine with him.

Post #11 » by **count55** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:57 am

Oden2 wrote:
Wizop wrote:Diener's going to be an energy guy. Jack is going to be a stopper.

Bucky O'Hare wrote:I didn't realize Jack had such an alarming assist-to-turnover ratio. Still, he's clearly a better scorer, shooter, and a much better defender than Jack (I assume you meant Diener).

I think many of you are overrating Jack's defensive abilities. Jack had been known as a good defender coming into the league and many of us Blazer fans were convinced that he had promise of becoming a defensive PG early in his tenure with Portland, but unfortunately he never really improved his defense much. That said, I think Jack could be a good offensive player in the right system. He had his difficulties in Portland last season, but could very well prove to be a very serviceable backup for the Pacers.

Some defense is better than none. After living with Tinsley and Diener, Jack will be an upgrade.

DannyGranger · Post #12 » by **DannyGranger** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:27 pm

Jack is clearly better than Diener