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Game 51 : Indiana Pacers (23-27) @ Orlando Magic (17-34) - 7:00 PM

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Game 51 : Indiana Pacers (23-27) @ Orlando Magic (17-34) - 7:00 PM 

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Post#2 » by Pacers Forever » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:02 am

Aaron Holiday on fire last couple of games. By playing well enough to stay on the court he's cutting into others minutes. That's a good thing producing another viable option off the bench.
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Post#3 » by Wizop » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:23 am

It's early but so far a lot of games going our way.

Agree on Aaron. Sumner and TJ also balling. If Warren were healthy, it'd really be hard to find minutes for everyone.

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Post#4 » by Topofthekey » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am

Goga's playing well as well. Got into early foul trouble this game, but he's turned into an effective backup big
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Post#5 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 am

Topofthekey wrote:Goga's playing well as well. Got into early foul trouble this game, but he's turned into an effective backup big


Even when his first half wasn’t going well, he was still viciously attacking for rebounds. He kind of seems like the most physical and fierce guy we have at times.
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Post#6 » by Topofthekey » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:28 am

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Topofthekey wrote:Goga's playing well as well. Got into early foul trouble this game, but he's turned into an effective backup big


Even when his first half wasn’t going well, he was still viciously attacking for rebounds. He kind of seems like the most physical and fierce guy we have at times.

Very true

If he continues growing at this rate, he may very well become a starter level C by some time next season, if he isn't already

I wonder which is a better pairing, Myles-Goga, or Goga-Domas
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Post#7 » by Wizop » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:22 am

I thought we were making up a game on 3 teams but Knicks, Celts, and Hawks all had late game comebacks. Two went OT.

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Post#8 » by boomershadow » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:26 am

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Topofthekey wrote:Goga's playing well as well. Got into early foul trouble this game, but he's turned into an effective backup big


Even when his first half wasn’t going well, he was still viciously attacking for rebounds. He kind of seems like the most physical and fierce guy we have at times.

Very true

If he continues growing at this rate, he may very well become a starter level C by some time next season, if he isn't already

I wonder which is a better pairing, Myles-Goga, or Goga-Domas
Goga/Domas would seem like a better pairing at first glance.

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Post#9 » by Topofthekey » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:34 am

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Topofthekey wrote:
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Even when his first half wasn’t going well, he was still viciously attacking for rebounds. He kind of seems like the most physical and fierce guy we have at times.

Very true

If he continues growing at this rate, he may very well become a starter level C by some time next season, if he isn't already

I wonder which is a better pairing, Myles-Goga, or Goga-Domas
Goga/Domas would seem like a better pairing at first glance.

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Yes, Goga can basically replicate Myles' rim protection and 3 point shooting, and slot in beside Domas

But then if they pair Myles with Goga, they get not one but TWO rim protecting, 3 point shooting bigs

Might be overkill to the point of being redundant, though
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Post#10 » by boomershadow » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:45 am

I'm glad this team can still at least take care of the Orlando Magic after they just auctioned off three core pieces at the trade deadline.

Letting them crawl back a few times was not awesome, but the game from Aaron Holiday was.

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Post#11 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:16 pm

Lost in the shuffle a bit is Aaron is averaging 15 points a game over the last 5 on 58/65/82 shooting splits, while averaging 3 3pointers made a night. If Justin returns to the bench next year at the 3, and with Goga at the 5, I think a McConnell/Holiday combo would do great off the bench. I still think we’d need to possibly move Lamb for a 4, as I don’t think we could cover for a McConnell/Holiday/Lamb at the 1 thru 3 spots.
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Post#12 » by Topofthekey » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:29 pm

I like Aaron. He has good awareness of where things are/need to be on court. Unlike say Lamb, who can sometimes fall asleep defensively, and TJ and Brogdon who sometimes doggedly chase their man from behind instead of rotating
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Post#13 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:49 pm

Topofthekey wrote:I like Aaron. He has good awareness of where things are/need to be on court. Unlike say Lamb, who can sometimes fall asleep defensively, and TJ and Brogdon who sometimes doggedly chase their man from behind instead of rotating


Agreed. He’s physically limited, but he’s a good defender. Otherwise, the thing that Aaron could provide is that his long-range shooting isn’t just from the arc, but well beyond the arc. If he can keep hitting shots like that at 40%ish, that could do wonders for the long haul of helping to spread the court better by pulling guys past the arc.
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Post#14 » by Wizop » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:03 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Lost in the shuffle a bit is Aaron is averaging 15 points a game over the last 5 on 58/65/82 shooting splits, while averaging 3 3pointers made a night. If Justin returns to the bench next year at the 3, and with Goga at the 5, I think a McConnell/Holiday combo would do great off the bench. I still think we’d need to possibly move Lamb for a 4, as I don’t think we could cover for a McConnell/Holiday/Lamb at the 1 thru 3 spots.
How does Sumner fit into that rotation? If we draft a backup 4 to play alongside Goga, I can't find minutes for all our wings.

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Post#15 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:21 pm

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Scoot McGroot wrote:Lost in the shuffle a bit is Aaron is averaging 15 points a game over the last 5 on 58/65/82 shooting splits, while averaging 3 3pointers made a night. If Justin returns to the bench next year at the 3, and with Goga at the 5, I think a McConnell/Holiday combo would do great off the bench. I still think we’d need to possibly move Lamb for a 4, as I don’t think we could cover for a McConnell/Holiday/Lamb at the 1 thru 3 spots.
How does Sumner fit into that rotation? If we draft a backup 4 to play alongside Goga, I can't find minutes for all our wings.

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We’ll see, but hell, play Justin at the 4 and run TJ/Aaron/Sumner at 1-3 and let them just sprint for 15 minutes a night together, and grab other minutes here and there. Even Goga can run with them. But otherwise, competition is great, and injuries always happen, that I don’t worry about minutes or projections.

The other tough thing is that I don’t think it’ll be easy to keep McConnell next year. I could see a lot of competitors offering a full MLE next season.
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Post#16 » by Topofthekey » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:24 pm

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Scoot McGroot wrote:Lost in the shuffle a bit is Aaron is averaging 15 points a game over the last 5 on 58/65/82 shooting splits, while averaging 3 3pointers made a night. If Justin returns to the bench next year at the 3, and with Goga at the 5, I think a McConnell/Holiday combo would do great off the bench. I still think we’d need to possibly move Lamb for a 4, as I don’t think we could cover for a McConnell/Holiday/Lamb at the 1 thru 3 spots.
How does Sumner fit into that rotation? If we draft a backup 4 to play alongside Goga, I can't find minutes for all our wings.

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One of the reasons why it is unlikely the team re-signs TJ and Doug

Myles / Goga
Domas / Lamb
Warren / Justin
LeVert / Sumner
Brogdon / Aaron

They'll most likely try to trade Lamb for a proper backup PF and call it a day

Unless they can find a good consolidation trade, there just isn't enough playing time available for everyone

And this is not yet factoring in their FRP, who's most likely going to end up rotting on the bench until something happens
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Post#17 » by Wizop » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:25 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
Myles / Goga
Domas / Lamb
Warren / Justin
LeVert / Sumner
Brogdon / Aaron


And this is not yet factoring in their FRP, who's most likely going to end up rotting on the bench until something happens


I'd hope we can trade lamb to a team with cap space so our FRP is the backup 4 and we can resign the Mc's.

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Post#18 » by Topofthekey » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:57 pm

Wizop wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:
Myles / Goga
Domas / Lamb
Warren / Justin
LeVert / Sumner
Brogdon / Aaron


And this is not yet factoring in their FRP, who's most likely going to end up rotting on the bench until something happens


I'd hope we can trade lamb to a team with cap space so our FRP is the backup 4 and we can resign the Mc's.

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Yes, they could try that also. But then as you mentioned, there just won't be enough playing time for everyone

Myles / Goga
Domas / FRP
Warren / Doug
LeVert / Justin / Sumner
Brogdon / TJ / Aaron

I'd hate to relegate Sumner and Aaron to cold storage, considering the progress they've made, especially Sumner

It's time for Sumner and Aaron to be part of the regular rotation, the 3rd string backup role should be reserved for raw players like Stanley

It looks like KP might have made a mistake or two in assembling the roster, the roster looks quite clunky

Too many wings and guards, and three players whose best position is C (though Domas arguably is fine as a PF, at least offensively, defensively it's another story)
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Post#19 » by Wizop » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:04 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Too many wings and guards, and three players whose best position is C (though Domas arguably is fine as a PF, at least offensively, defensively it's another story)


My roster building theory says you need 3 guys who can play the point and 3 who can defend the post. I agree we have too many 2/3s but I disagree that we should have fewer 5s.

We lack true 4s. We have used some 2/3s as 2/3/4s but Jakarr is probably the only player out of 17 whose best position is 4. Maybe Oshae but I haven't seen enough of him to judge.

I hope the draft gives us a 4. If not we'll probably have to make a trade as it'll be hard to sign a decent free agent 4 and stay out of tax land.

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