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Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks

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Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#1 » by Danny Darko » Sun Jan 1, 2012 2:52 am

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Suck for 9th? The difference between a win or loss in this game could result in an 11 spot difference in the upcoming draft. Lose and draft at 9, win and draft at 20. That being said, both teams have stressed that this is a big game for them and finishing at .500 against a division foe is big. As long as the target isn't a right tackle, I'd much rather pick at 9th, but then again there is something to be said for finishing with your head high at the end of a season.


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Seahawks-

Questionable
OT Breno Giacomini (abdominal)
DT Anthony Hargrove (calf)
Probable
CB Kennard Cox (hamstring)
QB Tarvaris Jackson (pectoral)
DT Clinton McDonald (concussion)
LB Malcolm Smith (concussion)
MLB David Hawthorne (knee)
WR Ben Obomanu (knee)
S Jeron Johnson (illness)


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Darnell Dockett's last brain cell

Things to Watch:

1. Double vision
good luck with your hangovers NYE celebrators

2. Larry Fitzgerald vs Browner/Sherman
Larry historically has eaten Seahawk corners alive, but this isn't Kelly Jennings and Marcus Trufant out there. These are two big mean mofos.

3. Lynch's payday
I'm guessing he'd like to switch from skittles to payday after the season. Another big game and it will be well worth all the peanuts. Feed the beast!


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Seattle 13 Cardinals 14
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#2 » by Sweezo » Sun Jan 1, 2012 8:40 pm

Danny Darko wrote:I'm guessing he'd like to switch from skittles to payday after the season. Another big game and it will be well worth all the peanuts.


That is just fantastic.

This is a boring day's worth of football so far. Few of these games seem to matter at this point, especially with fantasy football done and over with. I was thinking about watching the GB/DET game to see how Flynn does but that game isn't being broadcast in my area. So far, Flynn's 23/34 w/ 361 yards, 4 TDs, and 1 INT. I don't what kind of competition he's playing against but the numbers don't look too bad.

I hope the 'Hawks have a strong showing, but I don't really want them to win today.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#3 » by TTown » Sun Jan 1, 2012 10:14 pm

Danny Darko wrote:Suck for 9th? The difference between a win or loss in this game could result in an 11 spot difference in the upcoming draft. Lose and draft at 9, win and draft at 20.


for real? that is INSANE. i cursed tavaris for throwing that pick, now i'm cursing the seahawk defense for not allowing the cards to cash in.

got to say, i hope we lose. rg3 is going to declare, 9th would make it a lot easier to work our way up to get him.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#4 » by Sweezo » Sun Jan 1, 2012 10:40 pm

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Danny Darko wrote:Suck for 9th? The difference between a win or loss in this game could result in an 11 spot difference in the upcoming draft. Lose and draft at 9, win and draft at 20.


for real? that is INSANE. i cursed tavaris for throwing that pick, now i'm cursing the seahawk defense for not allowing the cards to cash in.

got to say, i hope we lose. rg3 is going to declare, 9th would make it a lot easier to work our way up to get him.


As of right now based on the morning's games I don't think we can slip any lower than 17th.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#5 » by Sweezo » Sun Jan 1, 2012 10:42 pm

Godammit Tarvaris...get rid of the **** ball already. Am I really going to have to watch him do this again next year too?
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#6 » by Danny Darko » Sun Jan 1, 2012 11:12 pm

damnit Leon... that was awesome. Get with the program. At least Tarvaris has his head in the tank. :cheesygrin:
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#7 » by Sweezo » Sun Jan 1, 2012 11:21 pm

Danny Darko wrote:damnit Leon... that was awesome. Get with the program. At least Tarvaris has his head in the tank. :cheesygrin:


Leon's definitely got some moves and I like him well enough as a change of pace for Lynch. On the other hand, Forset has not looked got at all for the majority of the season. Do the Seahawks look at bringing Forsett next year just because he helps keep Lynch grounded?
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#8 » by Danny Darko » Sun Jan 1, 2012 11:35 pm

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Danny Darko wrote:damnit Leon... that was awesome. Get with the program. At least Tarvaris has his head in the tank. :cheesygrin:


Leon's definitely got some moves and I like him well enough as a change of pace for Lynch. On the other hand, Forset has not looked got at all for the majority of the season. Do the Seahawks look at bringing Forsett next year just because he helps keep Lynch grounded?


good question. J-Force has not done enough to earn a contract production wise, though, and we probably should grab a big power back in the draft, which would make him even harder to keep, but... would you risk cutting the beasts bestie?
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#9 » by Sweezo » Mon Jan 2, 2012 12:06 am

Finally completed a deep pass today...a 61 yard TD to Lockette. What a catch! Baldwin was an UDFA, Lockette was an UDFA...hell, trade all our picks for Luck. We'll just find guys after the draft is over. ;)
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#10 » by Sweezo » Mon Jan 2, 2012 12:46 am

We lose. Once again, multiple times to engineer a game winning drive late in the 4th quarter and overtime and it just doesn't happen. Sometimes his players don't do the best job of helping him out, but Tarvaris makes crap decisions and inaccurate passes when the clock is ticking late.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#11 » by Danny Darko » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:35 am

I think Flynn made a statement today with 464 yards and 4tds. Unless RG3rd is really there for us, he looks like a better option than anything else we could touch in the draft.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#12 » by TTown » Mon Jan 2, 2012 4:09 am

1. indy
2. st. louis
3. minny
4. cleveland
5. tampa
6. washington
7. jacksonville
8. carolina
9. miami
10. buffalo
11. seattle

ok. luck's going #1. if you concede the rams are happy with bradford, and minnesota will stick with ponder, last year's first rounder, cleveland is the first team likely in the market for a qb. tampa has freeman, but washington picks next and one would think their qb situation is even more dire than our own. very hard to see the skins ignoring rg3, if cleveland passes him up. jacksonville and carolina both took quarterbacks last year. miami needs a qb. buffalo just gave that kid from harvard a big deal. then there's us.

so... if we want rg3, we're going to need to do some dealin'. matt flynn, anyone?
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#13 » by Bulltalk » Mon Jan 2, 2012 4:19 pm

TTown wrote:1. indy
2. st. louis
3. minny
4. cleveland
5. tampa
6. washington
7. jacksonville
8. carolina
9. miami
10. buffalo
11. seattle

ok. luck's going #1. if you concede the rams are happy with bradford, and minnesota will stick with ponder, last year's first rounder, cleveland is the first team likely in the market for a qb. tampa has freeman, but washington picks next and one would think their qb situation is even more dire than our own. very hard to see the skins ignoring rg3, if cleveland passes him up. jacksonville and carolina both took quarterbacks last year. miami needs a qb. buffalo just gave that kid from harvard a big deal. then there's us.

so... if we want rg3, we're going to need to do some dealin'. matt flynn, anyone?


Personally speaking, my order of targets are thus now:

1) RG III
2) Peyton Manning (if made available)
3) Matt Flynn
4) Ryan Tannehill, Landry Jones, etc... (or next best QB available in draft not named Luck or RG III)

(All this conjecturing is based upon the assumption that Luck goes #1 to Indy. If we can make a trade with Indy to obtain the rights to draft Luck, then by all means sell everything to get him lol)

Now that Barkley is out of the draft, obtaining the rights to draft RG III is a bit of a tall order. It seems like Minnesota is the team that we'd have to deal with to get him if you make the assumption that Cleveland will draft him with the 4th pick. This is not a certainty, as Holmgren has proved before that he's quite capable of choosing a vet over a rookie (Hasselbeck), and could just as easily target a guy like Flynn himself over RG III.

If such a scenario like that comes into play, then we'd probably have to deal with Tampa Bay, move up to the 5th spot in the draft to obtain the rights to draft RG III, assuming that Washington will draft him with the 6th pick. If Cleveland really wants RG III, however, they have a lot of draft bullets to move up to, say, the 2nd spot in the draft to get him, block us or anyone else from getting him.

It's hard to imagine RG III falling past Washington with the 6th pick, but I suppose it's possible. If so, then we'd likely have to move in front of Miami to draft him, as well as Kansas City if we lose the coin flip for the 11th pick with them, and that would mean adding Jacksonville and Carolina as potential trade partners to move up in the draft. Of course, this assumes that Jacksonville wouldn't take RG III themselves. Possible, I guess. Probable? Anything but at this point, it seems to me.

I added Peyton Manning to my list for obvious reasons. If Indy doesn't retain him, if Manning makes it clear that he's not done yet, and is healthy enough to go next year, why the hell not? Call me crazy, but we'd be instant Super Bowl contenders next year, wouldn't we? Not the favorites by any means, but certainly in the mix. Right?

Manning would have to take notice that Seattle might be one of the most desirable teams for him to go to this late in his career, a team with a vastly improved defense, young and potentially talented offensive line, solid running game anchored by Lynch, decent enough receiving corp for him to continue on his merry way shredding defenses, a true contender that could give him a few more shots at playoff glory.

If we went this route (just playing with the idea here), then we could draft a guy like Foles or someone else in the coming rounds to groom for the longer term future. What can I say? I like this idea if it does in fact present itself as an option.

As for Matt Flynn, I don't know much about him. I'm putting his name out there as the supposed top QB not now starting on a team. If he is in fact this guy, we'd have to consider obtaining him if we don't use our top pick on a QB.

If we don't move up in the draft, and Luck and RG III are off the board (likely), then we well might have the opportunity to draft Tannehill or Landry Jones with the 11th pick. Are they a "reach" with the 11th pick, assuming that they are still available then? Hard to say. We'll hear a lot more about this topic in the coming months leading up to the draft.

That's how I see it now. I wonder how the Hawks front office will be looking at it, how close to my way of thinking they are?
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#14 » by TTown » Tue Jan 3, 2012 6:33 pm

gotta go after flynn. we have cap space, we get to keep our picks. flynn will be ready to go in september, a rookie... may or may not be. especially the rookies we might be looking at with the #11.

it's almost too perfect. he even comes from green bay. precedent is even on our side.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#15 » by Danny Darko » Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:36 pm

i guess if the Scheid passes on him it would be for good reason, but yeah, he's got to know him and also have insider info pertaining to this year still I'd think. They can't keep him without tendering franchise money and that would mean he's paid better than Rodgers, so he'll be available for sure.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#16 » by Sweezo » Thu Jan 5, 2012 11:44 pm

Bulltalk wrote:If we don't move up in the draft, and Luck and RG III are off the board (likely), then we well might have the opportunity to draft Tannehill or Landry Jones with the 11th pick. Are they a "reach" with the 11th pick, assuming that they are still available then? Hard to say. We'll hear a lot more about this topic in the coming months leading up to the draft.


Not that I was keen on the idea of drafting Landry Jones, but he announced he's coming back to Oklahoma in '12. Another name to cross off the list.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#17 » by TTown » Sat Jan 7, 2012 12:15 am

lamichael james officially declares today.

we could get him with our second, if we want a super fast/surprisingly strong #2 option for lynch. doubt he'll be around for the third round.
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Re: Game 16: Cardinals vs Seahawks 

Post#18 » by Sweezo » Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:07 am

TTown wrote:lamichael james officially declares today.

we could get him with our second, if we want a super fast/surprisingly strong #2 option for lynch. doubt he'll be around for the third round.


I'll be interested to see how he does in the combine and where he ends up being drafted. Due to his size I could see him being drafted later than someone with his career numbers normally would, but I think he'll be a steal for whoever gets him. He may not have the fastest 40 time in the world but holy hell does he have breakaway speed when he's actually in a game. He reads his line well, hits his reads quick, can catch the ball, and for a smaller player he is tough as nails.

The 2nd seems a little high to me, but if we can get him in the 3rd I think he'd be a dynamite pairing with Lynch.

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