Lakers get Howard ???

[Quake Griffin]

Yea, but you said it as a disadvantage, so I was confused as to how that differs from any other team. It's just how basketball is, there is one ball, only one person can score for any team at one point in time.

The rest of your post didn't seem to address why only one of them being able to score at a time was an issue.

You mentioned that DJ could possibly give Howard problems, but that isn't related to only one of them being able to score at a time, just the Clippers being able to defend one of their guys better. Perkins giving him problems is overrated though, and that was as a first option go to guy. Now he's playing with an elite PG, a SG that draws attention, and one of the best lob and high low passing bigs in the league. Containing him is no longer the defenses primary focus, so it will be easier for him. Chandler on the other hand, he's great at defending him and literally shuts him down, not one of those fake shut downs.

The advantage is that they have 3 really efficient scorers plus Kobe, but the bigger advantage is that Dwight is a DPOY level defensive anchor. I'm just not following how only one person scoring is an issue for them or any team really. The whole advantage is when each person that scores does so efficiently and even more so, with volume, then your team is efficient offensively.

Now I do believe the Clips can beat them in a game, they aren't unbeatable. With a healthy Howard for the whole season, unless DJ becomes a DPOY level guy, the Clippers defense doesn't project to be good enough to have a better record though. The thing is that Howard won't be healthy for the beginning of the season, so we'll see how that plays into things.

no i didn't...u took it that way....and u don't have to take it that way
It goes for every team in the NBA and it is that simplistic...it's not negative...it's just a fact. It just means that no matter how many superstars they have in their starting line up they have to come down and execute good offense like the rest of top tier teams. It's a competitor's way of putting the onus on another team....a "oh ur the best? well prove it" type attitude.

our job? defending their attempts at executing...hence the rest of the post talking DJ's improvement.

i refuse to discuss this further

[og15]

Yo, you should have just said that earlier, had me wondering what was going on. This is text, you gotta be clear or we'll get lost in translation.

Interestingly enough, their offense isn't the thing that really worries me, but more so their defense. So much length and then a true anchor back there who is mobile enough to play great on the pick and roll just makes things difficult. Artest can actually become a even more useful as a defender at his older age with Howard behind him.

The Lakers were 13th in defensive efficiency last season, they will likely be in the top 3-5 next season while Howard is playing, and to me, that's the big thing for them. Offensively, yea, they have potential, but its not like they were a bad offensive team, they were in the upper 3rd of the league and certainly good. Obviously it would be difficult to expect them to get worse, but to me what they do on defense will be the key, and even if they don't click altogether on offense, defense is basically bound to work out (Nash is not nearly as bad defensively as people think, and a guy like Howard can compensate).

...and even offensively, as long as you don't have any knuckle heads, players figure it out. Their guys fit well together, so I'll assume they will get it at some point in the season. If Wade and Lebron who aren't great fits can figure out how to be a top offense and win it all in the post-season despite injuries, they should be able to figure something out, especially with Nash at the helm.

[Leaguepass]

Again, not meant to troll but I'm kinda surprised that Clipper fans aren't mad at all seemingly. The dynamic that happened is this IMO: The Clippers scored a lot on dunks and going to the basket---that isn't possible anymore. In a playoff series vs. the Lakers Griffin will be pretty much useless--he'll probably average 14points/9rebounds or so--going to the basket will be difficult, dunking all over the place impossible.In the end I'd be surprised if the Clippers even win one game against the Lakers.

I also disagree on giving up Griffin being too big a risk.....IMO , with letting Howard go to the Lakers the Clippers have taken a much much bigger risk ..namely losing Chris Paul. Right now , Chris Paul might be thinking he'll stay longterm but one year from now, a beatdown from the Lakers he could decide to jump ship quickly...looking at the dynamic of the superstar players it seems as if guys want a legit chance at a title and the Clippers won't be there the next 2-3 years and the Lakers now can build around Howard which means they'll be having a powerhouse team for the next 8 years. In fact I'll be pretty surprised if Paul decided to stay longterm with the Clippers. Getting Howard would have ensured Paul staying longterm. Paul/Howard would have made the Clippers a legit title candidate and both of them would have been in a big market. It was a very easy risk to take IMO. In fact, if you trade Griffin for Howard the Clippers are favorites to make the finals IMO. Anyways good luck....

[Leaguepass]

It reminds me of how fans of east teams were rationalizing how they could take down the Heat. Two years later...the Heat are 6-0 in east playoff series and if you count out the games without Bosh they are around 24-4 in the playoffs.

[adiedanny]

Yo, you should have just said that earlier, had me wondering what was going on. This is text, you gotta be clear or we'll get lost in translation.

Interestingly enough, their offense isn't the thing that really worries me, but more so their defense. So much length and then a true anchor back there who is mobile enough to play great on the pick and roll just makes things difficult. Artest can actually become a even more useful as a defender at his older age with Howard behind him.

The Lakers were 13th in defensive efficiency last season, they will likely be in the top 3-5 next season while Howard is playing, and to me, that's the big thing for them. Offensively, yea, they have potential, but its not like they were a bad offensive team, they were in the upper 3rd of the league and certainly good. Obviously it would be difficult to expect them to get worse, but to me what they do on defense will be the key, and even if they don't click altogether on offense, defense is basically bound to work out (Nash is not nearly as bad defensively as people think, and a guy like Howard can compensate).

...and even offensively, as long as you don't have any knuckle heads, players figure it out. Their guys fit well together, so I'll assume they will get it at some point in the season. If Wade and Lebron who aren't great fits can figure out how to be a top offense and win it all in the post-season despite injuries, they should be able to figure something out, especially with Nash at the helm.

Put your money whee your mouth is? The Clippers off season moves improved the team. I will bet you the Clippers will have a better season than the Lakers and keep Chris Paul whilethe Lakers will lose Howard?

[Quake Griffin]

It reminds me of how fans of east teams were rationalizing how they could take down the Heat. Two years later...the Heat are 6-0 in east playoff series and if you count out the games without Bosh they are around 24-4 in the playoffs.

ur shaping ur argument from 2 seasons ago around conference?
like...actual geography?

real creative way of saying the Heat didn't win it all in 2011.

[Leaguepass]

No I like sticking to facts....Howard made the Magic a top 5 team on his own...he had some decent complimentary pieces around him but no real star player---he now has Gasol,Bryant and Nash. The Clippers aren't anywhere close to that level....Who is gonna guard Howard?Who Gasol?Who Bryant?The Clippers main weapon is using their athleticism to get easy baskets,dunks etc.---how do you do that with Howard and Gasol guarding the paint?Don't kid yourself...Howard is much much much better than Bynum.....What game do Griffin and Jordan have outside dunks and easy layups?
I'm being realistic here.....if the Lakers lose a game against the Clippers it can be considered a surprise..anything more than that would be shocking.The Lakers beat the Clippers really in every area of the game except athleticism and that gap has also closed pretty much.

[adiedanny]

No I like sticking to facts....Howard made the Magic a top 5 team on his own...he had some decent complimentary pieces around him but no real star player---he now has Gasol,Bryant and Nash. The Clippers aren't anywhere close to that level....Who is gonna guard Howard?Who Gasol?Who Bryant?The Clippers main weapon is using their athleticism to get easy baskets,dunks etc.---how do you do that with Howard and Gasol guarding the paint?Don't kid yourself...Howard is much much much better than Bynum.....What game do Griffin and Jordan have outside dunks and easy layups?
I'm being realistic here.....if the Lakers lose a game against the Clippers it can be considered a surprise..anything more than that would be shocking.The Lakers beat the Clippers really in every area of the game except athleticism and that gap has also closed pretty much.

Like I said put up or shut up! Why are you even coming in our forum? We are not going in yours. You must be worried

[Leaguepass]

No I like sticking to facts....Howard made the Magic a top 5 team on his own...he had some decent complimentary pieces around him but no real star player---he now has Gasol,Bryant and Nash. The Clippers aren't anywhere close to that level....Who is gonna guard Howard?Who Gasol?Who Bryant?The Clippers main weapon is using their athleticism to get easy baskets,dunks etc.---how do you do that with Howard and Gasol guarding the paint?Don't kid yourself...Howard is much much much better than Bynum.....What game do Griffin and Jordan have outside dunks and easy layups?
I'm being realistic here.....if the Lakers lose a game against the Clippers it can be considered a surprise..anything more than that would be shocking.The Lakers beat the Clippers really in every area of the game except athleticism and that gap has also closed pretty much.

Like I said put up or shut up! Why are you even coming in our forum? We are not going in yours. You must be worried

Sorry but I'm not a Laker fan....in fact I always disliked them kinda...I was just wondering why the heck none of the Lakers competition made a play for Howard and instead let the Lakers form a team that is better than Miami....especially a team like the Clippers who could have offered Howard the same city, the best PG to play with etc. Anyways I hope for you guys that Paul doesn't get any second thoughts about staying with you because right now it seems as if the Lakers once again demonstrated that they are clearly superior to the Clippers in terms of management,taking risks and going for titles.
I'm also pissed that the West has become like the east....Instead of watching terrific, close playoff series like the Clippers vs. Memphis we have to watch the Lakers destroy the conference again on their way to their 20000 finals appearance....just sad.

[adiedanny]

No I like sticking to facts....Howard made the Magic a top 5 team on his own...he had some decent complimentary pieces around him but no real star player---he now has Gasol,Bryant and Nash. The Clippers aren't anywhere close to that level....Who is gonna guard Howard?Who Gasol?Who Bryant?The Clippers main weapon is using their athleticism to get easy baskets,dunks etc.---how do you do that with Howard and Gasol guarding the paint?Don't kid yourself...Howard is much much much better than Bynum.....What game do Griffin and Jordan have outside dunks and easy layups?
I'm being realistic here.....if the Lakers lose a game against the Clippers it can be considered a surprise..anything more than that would be shocking.The Lakers beat the Clippers really in every area of the game except athleticism and that gap has also closed pretty much.

Like I said put up or shut up! Why are you even coming in our forum? We are not going in yours. You must be worried

Sorry but I'm not a Laker fan....in fact I always disliked them kinda...I was just wondering why the heck none of the Lakers competition made a play for Howard and instead let the Lakers form a team that is better than Miami....especially a team like the Clippers who could have offered Howard the same city, the best PG to play with etc. Anyways I hope for you guys that Paul doesn't get any second thoughts about staying with you because right now it seems as if the Lakers once again demonstrated that they are clearly superior to the Clippers in terms of management,taking risks and going for titles.
I'm also pissed that the West has become like the east....Instead of watching terrific, close playoff series like the Clippers vs. Memphis we have to watch the Lakers destroy the conference again on their way to their 20000 finals appearance....just sad.

OK fine but we are not sad. We are happy with our team and I believe will be a serious force in the west. I would not of traded Griffin for Howard no matter what. He is the perfect team player you want to build your team around. People love playing with him rather than you hear of others complaining about Howard. Griffin is a winner and will bring championship rings to the Clippers.

[og15]

Yo, you should have just said that earlier, had me wondering what was going on. This is text, you gotta be clear or we'll get lost in translation.

Interestingly enough, their offense isn't the thing that really worries me, but more so their defense. So much length and then a true anchor back there who is mobile enough to play great on the pick and roll just makes things difficult. Artest can actually become a even more useful as a defender at his older age with Howard behind him.

The Lakers were 13th in defensive efficiency last season, they will likely be in the top 3-5 next season while Howard is playing, and to me, that's the big thing for them. Offensively, yea, they have potential, but its not like they were a bad offensive team, they were in the upper 3rd of the league and certainly good. Obviously it would be difficult to expect them to get worse, but to me what they do on defense will be the key, and even if they don't click altogether on offense, defense is basically bound to work out (Nash is not nearly as bad defensively as people think, and a guy like Howard can compensate).

...and even offensively, as long as you don't have any knuckle heads, players figure it out. Their guys fit well together, so I'll assume they will get it at some point in the season. If Wade and Lebron who aren't great fits can figure out how to be a top offense and win it all in the post-season despite injuries, they should be able to figure something out, especially with Nash at the helm.

Put your money whee your mouth is? The Clippers off season moves improved the team. I will bet you the Clippers will have a better season than the Lakers and keep Chris Paul whilethe Lakers will lose Howard?

Okay? Good for the Lakers, I don't really care about them.