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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread 

Post#661 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:37 am

Akklaim1 wrote:I don't know where else to post this. But a quick question for my fellow Kings and Clipper fans here. With no more deep playoff expectations, which means no pressure, which team LA team gives their fans a little bit more optimism? The Kings or the Clippers? Both teams are kinda in a similar situation, except the Kings have a new coach and the Clippers are still stuck with Doc.

Definitely the Clippers right now. I don't trust Rob Blake one bit as the Kings' GM. I'm still not over the way he quit on us as a player. It feels like we're doing what bad hockey franchises usually do and hiring the "good ole' boys" to run the show.
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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread 

Post#662 » by Wiltside » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:10 pm

Big changes this offseason in Clipperville, but I'm kind of excited to see how you go. The old core was getting stale.

Biggest questions for you guys:

1. Can Blake stay healthy?
2. Who starts at PG? Beverley or Teodosic?
3. Is this DJ's last year in LAC?
4. Will Gallinari justify the investment?

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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread 

Post#663 » by GimmeDat » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:47 am

Any insight on Diamond Stone? Do you think he has potential as an NBA player?
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Post#664 » by Neddy » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:02 am

GimmeDat wrote:Any insight on Diamond Stone? Do you think he has potential as an NBA player?


old school center. he can't run, but he can shoot from mid range and has some post moves. a great score in a slow paced half court game. can't play much defense, not a rim protector. won't be able to catch up to today's fast paced NBA. can fill up space but surprisingly a bad rebounder for his size. but he does possess one hell of a name.
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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread 

Post#665 » by esqtvd » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:53 am

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GimmeDat wrote:Any insight on Diamond Stone? Do you think he has potential as an NBA player?


old school center. he can't run, but he can shoot from mid range and has some post moves. a great score in a slow paced half court game. can't play much defense, not a rim protector. won't be able to catch up to today's fast paced NBA. can fill up space but surprisingly a bad rebounder for his size. but he does possess one hell of a name.




Remember how long DJ was mediocre as he slowly learned the NBA trade. And the Kings invested 2 years in Hassan Whiteside--also age 20 and drafted in the 2nd round like DJ and Diamond--until they finally gave up and cut him loose. He kicked around not only in D-League but also in China and with something called Al Mouttahed Tripoli of the Lebanese Basketball League until at age 25, suddenly the light went on and he was an NBA-ready beast. A Miami team that was going nowhere gave him a WTF shot at mid-season and the rest is big-money history.

Here's a recent thing on Diamond, who remains unsigned to even a 2-way despite a decent Summer League showing.

https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2017/9/11/16283788/whats-going-on-with-diamond-stone-nba-gleague-nbagl-gleague-atlanta-hawks
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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread 

Post#666 » by GimmeDat » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:37 am

Neddy wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Any insight on Diamond Stone? Do you think he has potential as an NBA player?


old school center. he can't run, but he can shoot from mid range and has some post moves. a great score in a slow paced half court game. can't play much defense, not a rim protector. won't be able to catch up to today's fast paced NBA. can fill up space but surprisingly a bad rebounder for his size. but he does possess one hell of a name.


Thanks for the insight, sounds like his college scouting reports still ring true.

Do you think he can develop beyond those limitations, though? He seems to have decent size/length for a C, and while he may not be super mobile or athletic, the sort of measurements he possesses you would hope could turn him in to a solid rim protector at least. Any particular reasons you think he's been a bad rebounder?

esqtvd wrote:Remember how long DJ was mediocre as he slowly learned the NBA trade. And the Kings invested 2 years in Hassan Whiteside--also age 20 and drafted in the 2nd round like DJ and Diamond--until they finally gave up and cut him loose. He kicked around not only in D-League but also in China and with something called Al Mouttahed Tripoli of the Lebanese Basketball League until at age 25, suddenly the light went on and he was an NBA-ready beast. A Miami team that was going nowhere gave him a WTF shot at mid-season and the rest is big-money history.


Bulls just signed him, btw. The examples you're throwing around give me hope, but DJ and Hassan had undeniable athletic upside that they 'put together'. Do you think Stone is too slow/unathletic to have much upside or if he gets it together he can be a really solid NBA player?
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Post#667 » by esqtvd » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:35 pm

Diamond scored 31 in his D/G-League debut, but as Neddy says, that's old school. He doesn't seem to have the lunchbucket mentality and court sense that you want from a center in the 21st century. This blog seems spot-on.

https://www.blogabull.com/2017/9/14/16305956/bulls-sign-diamond-stone-to-partially-guaranteed-deal

This move is very likely a training camp signing as the Bulls bigs rotation is already crowded. With the Bulls already having Robin Lopez, Bobby Portis, Lauri Markkanen, and Cristiano Felicio, with Nikola Mirotic still unsigned but possible to return, there is a good chance Stone goes down to the G-League.

He was a 5-star recruit as a high school player, rated No. 6 in his class by ESPN. Went to Maryland with first round buzz, but they had a disappointing season and he was exposed as a slow, low post scorer during the exact time that type of player was being fazed out of the league. He can definitely score with his back to the basket, but he doesn't really seem athletic enough to be a rim protector at this level.

With that in mind, it looks it’s all but certain Stone is just a camp body and a G-League stint will likely be in his near future. Hopefully he can develop some more skills while in the G-League and learn how to be more versatile offensively.
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Post#668 » by Neddy » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:56 am

Diamond is already near ceiling imo. he needs to shed some weight, get lean, and run. if he can expand his range to a legit NBA 3 point line and do it consistently, and get slim enough to run without taxing his knees, then he could be a niche-role player in rotation. only way that I can see him growing into a star, is if he works his ass off far more than DJ ever had. DJ was always gonna be a late bloomer due to his childish ways, but his physical tools are even better than Blake. I can't put Diamond in that category.
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Post#669 » by esqtvd » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:54 pm

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Post#672 » by esqtvd » Today 5:46 am

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Re: 2017 Offseason Thread 

Post#673 » by MartinToVaught » Today 1:16 pm

And why exactly are we believing the crap that spews out of Colin Cowherd's mouth? This is the same clown who said Bill Belichick was going to be Michigan's next coach after they fired Brady Hoke.
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