Trade Idea Thread II

mttwlsn16 · Post #1001 » by **mttwlsn16** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:34 am

Lindecision wrote:Kirilenko is just a buyout option at this point.

Also, giving the MLE to Hawes over Livingston or Paul Pierce is looking like a terrible decision.

Agreed. Hawes has been a waste of money so far. I know hes had nagging injury(ies) and there is time to turn it around, but he really hasnt done much.

Post #1002 » by **QRich3** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:31 am

Yeah, Hawes hasn't been good, but we needed a decent back up big man. We're still experimenting with the 2nd unit and doing those 5 for 5 substitutions that I hate so much, but I guess it's helping them be comfortable on the court and that'll help them later in the season, or so I hope.

I proposed a trade with the Magic on the trades section on this forum, where we sent Hawes and Crawford and got Frye and Harkless in exchange, and Magic fans seemed to be all for it. Harkless seems to be without confidence and playing timidly and bad, but I think we're the right environment for him to wake up. He's a good defender with length at SF, and has the ability to shoot around 40% from 3 when he's open. And he's 21. I want him.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #1003 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:19 pm

My preference has still been for one more superstar. Rumors of both Joe Johnson and Carmelo Anthony have grown today. Anyway, here's an article on the Clippers needing Joe:

http://hoopshabit.com/2014/12/12/los-an ... e-big-move

And here's Melo on the possibility of waiving his no-trade clause:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... de-clause/

LACtdom · Post #1004 » by **LACtdom** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:50 pm

I'd rather stick with Hawes as building chemistry takes time and adding an out of form Frye (who is practically Hawes) is just taking steps back for no good reason.

Orlando have 3 players (Harkless 6'9'' F/Harris 6'9'' F/Fournier 6'7'' SG) that I'd personally love to trade for but since they aren't in 'win now' mode I'm not sure what we can offer them that will entice them to lose some of their great future talent.

I like Farmar as an off-the-ball spot up shooter, however at 6'2'' he is a liability on D. I'm very keen to add some length and agility to our team. I'm envious of GS, who the other day, the shortest of their 5 on-court players was Livingston at 6'7''. I'm also bummed that we missed out on Ariza as he is playing great D.

I don't think we need to add another star but I do think he has to be better than a Dudley/Barnes/CDR type player. What ever our FO/Doc decide to do, it will sure be interesting and exciting to think about!

Lindecision · Post #1005 » by **Lindecision** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:55 pm

I wonder if Bullock and Wilcox for KJ McDaniels is possible.

Post #1006 » by **mkwest** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:29 am

Lindecision wrote:I wonder if Bullock and Wilcox for KJ McDaniels is possible.

We should have just drafted him. I was so pissed when we passed on him. He is exactly what we were in desperate need of at the 3. We wouldn't even have had to deal with his impending free-agency like Philly will. I don't know who within the organization is most responsible for the draft decisions, but they need to step their game up.

Ranma · Post #1007 » by **Ranma** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:34 am

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mttwlsn16 · Post #1008 » by **mttwlsn16** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:19 am

Jermaine O'Neal To Decide On Playing Future In January; Cavs, Clippers, Mavs, Warriors Interested
Dec 13, 2014 1:17 AM EST

Jermaine O'Neal said he expects to make a definitive decision on his playing future early in 2015.

"I'm going to make a clear-cut decision after the holidays," O'Neal said.

O'Neal admitted he knows there are teams that are interested in a possible deal and he has not ruled out returning for what would be his 19th NBA season.

The Cleveland Cavaliers, Los Angeles Clippers, Dallas Mavericks and Golden State Warriors are among the teams that covet O'Neal should he play again.

O'Neal played for the Warriors last season.

Via Marc Stein/ESPN

Lindecision · Post #1009 » by **Lindecision** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:57 am

mkwest wrote:
Lindecision wrote:I wonder if Bullock and Wilcox for KJ McDaniels is possible.

We should have just drafted him. I was so pissed when we passed on him. He is exactly what we were in desperate need of at the 3. We wouldn't even have had to deal with his impending free-agency like Philly will. I don't know who within the organization is most responsible for the draft decisions, but they need to step their game up.

There still might be an outside chance of us getting KJ. Philly probably won't want to pay KJ around $8 million a year for the next 4 years as it doesn't fit into their rebuilding plan. Acquiring 2 former 1st round picks on rookie contracts for the next 4 years might be attractive to them.

Luckily I don't follow college hoops so the regret doesn't eat at me. But we can't deny it anymore. Ever since Doc has put his people in the FO our moves have been one disaster after another. Collectively we have to start calling him out on his terrible GM-ing.

Sofia · Post #1010 » by **Sofia** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:04 pm

So apparently we have discussed Lance.

Lance for Hawes, Barnes, Wilcox.

Cut Hedo.
Sign Ray Allen, AK47 and J.O'Neal.

Party like its 2009.

Forte IV · Post #1011 » by **Forte IV** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:15 pm

Only way I want Lance is if we get a 1st out of it at this point.

LACtdom · Post #1012 » by **LACtdom** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:14 am

Why is J.O'neal a free agent? I thought he was good enough last year to easily be on a roster.

Can anyone tell me what kind of D Lance plays and how it will affect our team? I don't really know enough about him but I'm happy the Clippers FO are brave enough to consider big moves.

Am I the only person that would prefer Hedo over AK47?

Sofia · Post #1013 » by **Sofia** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:19 am

Isn't Lance a team option each year? Gets us out of Hawes and Barnes contracts, nearly max money if DJ was to leave.

Post #1014 » by **QRich3** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:51 pm

Sofia wrote:Isn't Lance a team option each year? Gets us out of Hawes and Barnes contracts, nearly max money if DJ was to leave.

Lance's next year is fully guaranteed, it's the third year that is a team option. Also, Barnes' salary is only $1M guaranteed next year.

I don't know why you guys want Lance at all, he'd be a disaster. He can't shoot, he'd be a massive downgrade from Barnes in that aspect (and Barnes was already a problem), he can't defend SF's, again a downgrade from Barnes, plus he needs to have the ball in his hands all the time to be effective, the thing we need the least. Plus, he's a selfish chucker/rebound-stealer, and a guy who's created teammates' resentment against him in every team he's been a starter.

Lindecision · Post #1015 » by **Lindecision** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:15 pm

I don't think its a downgrade. Lance can guard SFs. Maybe not Lebron or Durant, but who can? He just needs the right leadership around him. I'm not confident in Doc as a GM but I am as a coach. With a defined role he won't impose himself like he's doing in Charlotte. Not with our leadership. I think the better question is would you trade for last years Lance? Because that's the presumption teams would be making if they trade for him, regardless of his currently deflated value.

Jamal or Hawes, Cunningham, CDR, Bullock for Lance

No way Charlotte says no to that. They have to waive 3 guys but Cunningham and Maxiell are unguaranteed and CDR is on the vet min.

Post #1016 » by **QRich3** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:32 pm

He can guard SF's, but can he do it effectively? I don't even think he's a good defender at SG. I remember every time I saw Indiana last year, he was the main culprit for each defensive breakdown I focused in. And they were one of the best defensive teams in the past decade so they could cover for his mistakes, he'd be a trainwreck here with our defensive problems. I watched a lot of him last year because he was the guy keeping my fantasy team afloat, and while he was effective on a team like Indy that needed ball-handling, I didn't see any other good qualities about him. Now that he's in Charlotte where Kemba can take care of the drive-and-dish opportunities, Lance is unable to be effective doing anything else. He can't shoot, he can't do anything off the ball, and if he's not engaged offensively forget about him giving any effort on the other end.

Yeah, we have the leadership and the coaching to keep him from going full re-tard, but what's the point of it if the player that's left isn't even that good? I wouldn't even want him if they were giving us assets for taking him in. Crawford is much more effective than him at the 6th man ball-hogging role.

Of course, he fits the mold of the Eastern Conference guy that's been deep in the playoffs a couple times, so I bet Doc ends up trading for him :banghead:

Post #1017 » by **og15** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:13 pm

Sofia wrote:So apparently we have discussed Lance.

Lance for Hawes, Barnes, Wilcox.

Cut Hedo.
Sign Ray Allen, AK47 and J.O'Neal.

Party like its 2009.

I read the article and it said we weren't serious, so I don't think there's much happening there.

Lance is a guy where the fans will definitely be split, especially since he's making $9 mil. He's a nice all-round role player, and those guys are good for teams, but he's a guy who is known as a distraction and will need adjustment to by teammates.

On one hand a player like that would help this roster, but on the other hand, you'd need him to be focused and not go outside his role, especially with a ball wizard like CP3 on the team. Also his outside shooting and shooting in general is quite suspect. You could essentially say he's like a middle class man's Tyreke Evans in some ways.

mj_shoefanatic · Post #1018 » by **mj_shoefanatic** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:19 am

Don't want to see that spoiled brat Stephenson on this Clipper team. Would much rather like to see us go after Joe Johnson and Miroslav Raduljica (again) before the trade deadline. If we decide to pursue Allen instead of Joe we should figure out a away to get rid of Wilcox and CDR at the same time.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #1019 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:48 am

Just a note, Shoe Fanatic: Joe Johnson is a guard-ward. He can play both shooting guard and small forward. If Ray Allen gets put into the starting lineup (because Doc loves his guys so much), Joe can fill in at the 3.

Lindecision · Post #1020 » by **Lindecision** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:46 am

Well, I think its a risk worth taking. Because as it stands we won't sniff the conference finals. Hawes isn't impactful enough to make me make me not want to take this risk.