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Post#1201 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:56 pm

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esqtvd wrote:213 was the right idea--look at the Celts with Jaylen and Jayson
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The Celtics have a much better coaching staff and front office. And neither of their stars disappear in every single big game like PG.


The most significant difference actually is that the Celtics drafted Jaylen and Jayson, we got Kawhi and PG on the other side of their careers (year 9 and 10 respectively.) They have a 10 year window that is still open, we had a 3 year window that slammed shut by Joe Ingles' little nudge.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1202 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:58 pm

esqtvd wrote:Mann fan stans panned

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Feels like the definition of recency bias there. I mean I'm glad we signed Jones but...
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1203 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:05 pm

So it doesn't make a huge difference, but there are a couple of little details regarding our future 1st round draft picks (otherwise out of our control until 2030.)

Next season, if we are better than Houston then I think OKC swaps with HOU instead of us, and we keep our pick. The Houston pick is top 10 protected but they'll probably end up better. So we are actually incentivized to play better this year (or at least just better than Houston) which is interesting, it's the difference between say a mid 1st round pick and a near bottom of the 1st round round pick.

In 2029, we have a swap with Philly but it's top 3 protected. So if the wheels fall off the wagon by 2027-28, we could go full tank commander mode for 2029. Of course we could get unlucky or lucky either way. It's possible we are near the bottom but still swap our pick, or we could be merely mediocre and end up with a top-3 pick we keep.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1204 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:48 pm

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Doesn't sound like PG was well-liked in the locker room.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1205 » by esqtvd » Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:59 pm

Trezz was right all along.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10127845-montrezl-harrell-told-paul-george-i-will-knock-you-the-f--k-out-in-clippers-game

    In an article for The Players' Tribune, Harrell wrote he threatened to knock out teammate Paul George in a huddle after a miscommunication on a switch during the Clippers' second-round loss to the Denver Nuggets in the 2020 NBA playoffs.

    Harrell said the death of his grandmother was the catalyst for his behavior:

"OK, time-out — I'm simple. Real motherf--ker. That's why a lot of people, I think, don't like me. At the end of the day, everybody's out here in between these lines because we're trying to, one, feed our family, but, two do some s--t for the team, for the organization, for the city. Real talk. I came back to the Bubble for this, after having to bury my grandma in the ground, bro. The person who raised me, the reason I play this game. I was so f--ked up mentally, more than I even knew. Alright, with that in mind…. I told P right then and there, in front of coaches and everybody, "I will knock you the f--k out, bro. You're trippin'. You was wrong, bro. You're WRONG." I can look back on that now and realize I went too far in the heat of the moment. I realize this is a business and you can't talk like that to the star player. But when you're going through grief, you only see what's right in front of you. And it was just all bad from there. We lost in the second round to Denver, in seven games. The next summer, the Clippers sent me a text message saying something like, "Thank you for everything you did for us … but, we're going to go in a different direction."
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1206 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Oct 1, 2024 3:01 am

Trezz. Classic degenerate.

Always “right” about something but never “right” about how to get himself back in to the league….or how to make himself playable in the postseason.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1207 » by MartinToVaught » Tue Oct 1, 2024 3:40 am

Trez criticizing PG:

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1208 » by esqtvd » Tue Oct 1, 2024 4:07 am

MartinToVaught wrote:Trez criticizing PG:

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Quake Griffin wrote:Trezz. Classic degenerate.

Always “right” about something but never “right” about how to get himself back in to the league….or how to make himself playable in the postseason.


You two are HILARIOUS. It's like moths to a flame. You hate them both anyway. STILL you hate on PG and Kawhi and Trezz and Lou and Jamal. And Doc. And Ty. And the FO and Ballmer. WHEN DOES IT END?? You hate EVERYBODY. :noway: These are HUMAN BEINGS we're sliming here.


I told you all along that Trezz went from 6MOY in the spring [@ $6M, one of our lowest-paid] to a complete basket case in The Bubble. Because the most important person in his life DIED. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THIS POST??? Trezz's actual words?



Poor fellow. His mind fell apart and all you can do is spit on him??

And you DARE call Trezz a "degenerate?" I don't even know what that means. He smokes too much pot? tf

This is posted to give everybody a window into Trezz' suffering. No, he wasn't the perfect player but frankly as a 6'8" center with no other discernable NBA skills, he won the 6MOY on effort alone. I wish him well.



esqtvd wrote:Trezz was right all along.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10127845-montrezl-harrell-told-paul-george-i-will-knock-you-the-f--k-out-in-clippers-game

    In an article for The Players' Tribune, Harrell wrote he threatened to knock out teammate Paul George in a huddle after a miscommunication on a switch during the Clippers' second-round loss to the Denver Nuggets in the 2020 NBA playoffs.

    Harrell said the death of his grandmother was the catalyst for his behavior:

"OK, time-out — I'm simple. Real motherf--ker. That's why a lot of people, I think, don't like me. At the end of the day, everybody's out here in between these lines because we're trying to, one, feed our family, but, two do some s--t for the team, for the organization, for the city. Real talk. I came back to the Bubble for this, after having to bury my grandma in the ground, bro. The person who raised me, the reason I play this game. I was so f--ked up mentally, more than I even knew. Alright, with that in mind…. I told P right then and there, in front of coaches and everybody, "I will knock you the f--k out, bro. You're trippin'. You was wrong, bro. You're WRONG." I can look back on that now and realize I went too far in the heat of the moment. I realize this is a business and you can't talk like that to the star player. But when you're going through grief, you only see what's right in front of you. And it was just all bad from there. We lost in the second round to Denver, in seven games. The next summer, the Clippers sent me a text message saying something like, "Thank you for everything you did for us … but, we're going to go in a different direction."


Frankly, it's hard to find the good guys here. Just like Lob City, everybody was right, everybody was wrong. That's what tragedy is all about. Trezz is a more tragic figure than most. He gave his all and walked away with next to nothing.

At least PG got PAID.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1209 » by Clemenza » Tue Oct 1, 2024 4:47 pm

esqtvd wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:Trez criticizing PG:

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Quake Griffin wrote:Trezz. Classic degenerate.

Always “right” about something but never “right” about how to get himself back in to the league….or how to make himself playable in the postseason.


You two are HILARIOUS. It's like moths to a flame. You hate them both anyway. STILL you hate on PG and Kawhi and Trezz and Lou and Jamal. And Doc. And Ty. And the FO and Ballmer. WHEN DOES IT END?? You hate EVERYBODY. :noway: These are HUMAN BEINGS we're sliming here.


I told you all along that Trezz went from 6MOY in the spring [@ $6M, one of our lowest-paid] to a complete basket case in The Bubble. Because the most important person in his life DIED. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THIS POST??? Trezz's actual words?



Poor fellow. His mind fell apart and all you can do is spit on him??

And you DARE call Trezz a "degenerate?" I don't even know what that means. He smokes too much pot? tf

This is posted to give everybody a window into Trezz' suffering. No, he wasn't the perfect player but frankly as a 6'8" center with no other discernable NBA skills, he won the 6MOY on effort alone. I wish him well.



esqtvd wrote:Trezz was right all along.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10127845-montrezl-harrell-told-paul-george-i-will-knock-you-the-f--k-out-in-clippers-game

    In an article for The Players' Tribune, Harrell wrote he threatened to knock out teammate Paul George in a huddle after a miscommunication on a switch during the Clippers' second-round loss to the Denver Nuggets in the 2020 NBA playoffs.

    Harrell said the death of his grandmother was the catalyst for his behavior:

"OK, time-out — I'm simple. Real motherf--ker. That's why a lot of people, I think, don't like me. At the end of the day, everybody's out here in between these lines because we're trying to, one, feed our family, but, two do some s--t for the team, for the organization, for the city. Real talk. I came back to the Bubble for this, after having to bury my grandma in the ground, bro. The person who raised me, the reason I play this game. I was so f--ked up mentally, more than I even knew. Alright, with that in mind…. I told P right then and there, in front of coaches and everybody, "I will knock you the f--k out, bro. You're trippin'. You was wrong, bro. You're WRONG." I can look back on that now and realize I went too far in the heat of the moment. I realize this is a business and you can't talk like that to the star player. But when you're going through grief, you only see what's right in front of you. And it was just all bad from there. We lost in the second round to Denver, in seven games. The next summer, the Clippers sent me a text message saying something like, "Thank you for everything you did for us … but, we're going to go in a different direction."


Frankly, it's hard to find the good guys here. Just like Lob City, everybody was right, everybody was wrong. That's what tragedy is all about. Trezz is a more tragic figure than most. He gave his all and walked away with next to nothing.

At least PG got PAID.

Why bring up Trezz when you know this is going to happen every single time and then on top of it all act surprised at the comments? smh
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1210 » by clipsfever » Tue Oct 1, 2024 6:00 pm

Robert "TimeLord" Williams' contract appears to be a match to PJ's on the ESPN Trade Machine.
https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers/news/trail-blazers-news-pacific-division-contender-considering-robert-williams-trade-ak1987

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26aah7fj

Even at 40% availability over 2 years, it might be worth it
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1211 » by esqtvd » Tue Oct 1, 2024 7:08 pm

Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:Trez criticizing PG:

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Quake Griffin wrote:Trezz. Classic degenerate.

Always “right” about something but never “right” about how to get himself back in to the league….or how to make himself playable in the postseason.


You two are HILARIOUS. It's like moths to a flame. You hate them both anyway. STILL you hate on PG and Kawhi and Trezz and Lou and Jamal. And Doc. And Ty. And the FO and Ballmer. WHEN DOES IT END?? You hate EVERYBODY. :noway: These are HUMAN BEINGS we're sliming here.


I told you all along that Trezz went from 6MOY in the spring [@ $6M, one of our lowest-paid] to a complete basket case in The Bubble. Because the most important person in his life DIED. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THIS POST??? Trezz's actual words?



Poor fellow. His mind fell apart and all you can do is spit on him??

And you DARE call Trezz a "degenerate?" I don't even know what that means. He smokes too much pot? tf

This is posted to give everybody a window into Trezz' suffering. No, he wasn't the perfect player but frankly as a 6'8" center with no other discernable NBA skills, he won the 6MOY on effort alone. I wish him well.



esqtvd wrote:Trezz was right all along.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10127845-montrezl-harrell-told-paul-george-i-will-knock-you-the-f--k-out-in-clippers-game

    In an article for The Players' Tribune, Harrell wrote he threatened to knock out teammate Paul George in a huddle after a miscommunication on a switch during the Clippers' second-round loss to the Denver Nuggets in the 2020 NBA playoffs.

    Harrell said the death of his grandmother was the catalyst for his behavior:



Frankly, it's hard to find the good guys here. Just like Lob City, everybody was right, everybody was wrong. That's what tragedy is all about. Trezz is a more tragic figure than most. He gave his all and walked away with next to nothing.

At least PG got PAID.

Why bring up Trezz when you know this is going to happen every single time and then on top of it all act surprised at the comments? smh


Had you heard the story? It came out only recently and is entirely relevant to the topic.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1212 » by og15 » Wed Oct 2, 2024 5:00 pm

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Doesn't sound like PG was well-liked in the locker room.

I actually think this is more that guys didn't like him talking so much after he was gone and not really about them having an issue with him when he was actually on the team.

The shade is well deserved.

PS: This thread since it is early summer thread will be getting its farwell soon
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1213 » by madmaxmedia » Wed Oct 2, 2024 9:45 pm

og15 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
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Doesn't sound like PG was well-liked in the locker room.

I actually think this is more that guys didn't like him talking so much after he was gone and not really about them having an issue with him when he was actually on the team.

The shade is well deserved.

PS: This thread since it is early summer thread will be getting its farwell soon


Once again, that lack of self-awareness...
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1214 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Oct 3, 2024 2:10 am

Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:Trez criticizing PG:

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Quake Griffin wrote:Trezz. Classic degenerate.

Always “right” about something but never “right” about how to get himself back in to the league….or how to make himself playable in the postseason.


You two are HILARIOUS. It's like moths to a flame. You hate them both anyway. STILL you hate on PG and Kawhi and Trezz and Lou and Jamal. And Doc. And Ty. And the FO and Ballmer. WHEN DOES IT END?? You hate EVERYBODY. :noway: These are HUMAN BEINGS we're sliming here.


I told you all along that Trezz went from 6MOY in the spring [@ $6M, one of our lowest-paid] to a complete basket case in The Bubble. Because the most important person in his life DIED. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THIS POST??? Trezz's actual words?



Poor fellow. His mind fell apart and all you can do is spit on him??

And you DARE call Trezz a "degenerate?" I don't even know what that means. He smokes too much pot? tf

This is posted to give everybody a window into Trezz' suffering. No, he wasn't the perfect player but frankly as a 6'8" center with no other discernable NBA skills, he won the 6MOY on effort alone. I wish him well.



esqtvd wrote:Trezz was right all along.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10127845-montrezl-harrell-told-paul-george-i-will-knock-you-the-f--k-out-in-clippers-game

    In an article for The Players' Tribune, Harrell wrote he threatened to knock out teammate Paul George in a huddle after a miscommunication on a switch during the Clippers' second-round loss to the Denver Nuggets in the 2020 NBA playoffs.

    Harrell said the death of his grandmother was the catalyst for his behavior:



Frankly, it's hard to find the good guys here. Just like Lob City, everybody was right, everybody was wrong. That's what tragedy is all about. Trezz is a more tragic figure than most. He gave his all and walked away with next to nothing.

At least PG got PAID.

Why bring up Trezz when you know this is going to happen every single time and then on top of it all act surprised at the comments? smh

Some people see themselves as the Opinion Police - A Forum Overseer of sorts.

They’re here to tell us what to think and say at all times. Very often these types are loud and wrong (about almost everything and about all the time).
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1215 » by esqtvd » Thu Oct 3, 2024 2:38 am

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Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:


You two are HILARIOUS. It's like moths to a flame. You hate them both anyway. STILL you hate on PG and Kawhi and Trezz and Lou and Jamal. And Doc. And Ty. And the FO and Ballmer. WHEN DOES IT END?? You hate EVERYBODY. :noway: These are HUMAN BEINGS we're sliming here.


I told you all along that Trezz went from 6MOY in the spring [@ $6M, one of our lowest-paid] to a complete basket case in The Bubble. Because the most important person in his life DIED. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THIS POST??? Trezz's actual words?



Poor fellow. His mind fell apart and all you can do is spit on him??

And you DARE call Trezz a "degenerate?" I don't even know what that means. He smokes too much pot? tf

This is posted to give everybody a window into Trezz' suffering. No, he wasn't the perfect player but frankly as a 6'8" center with no other discernable NBA skills, he won the 6MOY on effort alone. I wish him well.





Frankly, it's hard to find the good guys here. Just like Lob City, everybody was right, everybody was wrong. That's what tragedy is all about. Trezz is a more tragic figure than most. He gave his all and walked away with next to nothing.

At least PG got PAID.

Why bring up Trezz when you know this is going to happen every single time and then on top of it all act surprised at the comments? smh

Some people see themselves as the Opinion Police - A Forum Overseer of sorts.

They’re here to tell us what to think and say at all times. Very often these types are loud and wrong (about almost everything and about all the time).



I just think it's funny because it's so predictable. I was right about Trezz and PG too. And now that PG's gone, people are only too happy to psss on his grave as well. So it goes. :lol:

But to get back to the actual topic, mostly, I'll stand up for Trezz. I toldja all he was an emotional wreck when his grandma died, his most beloved person on earth. It's years later and he's still just barely coming to terms with it all. Yes, we can agree on one thing--he never should have tried to come back to The Bubble. Kawhi and PG had already voted to leave, they didn't want to be there, and Trezz had every excuse in the world not to try to play.

Calling him a "degenerate" is totally unfair. To return to topic:


"OK, time-out — I'm simple. Real motherf--ker. That's why a lot of people, I think, don't like me. At the end of the day, everybody's out here in between these lines because we're trying to, one, feed our family, but, two do some s--t for the team, for the organization, for the city. Real talk. I came back to the Bubble for this, after having to bury my grandma in the ground, bro. The person who raised me, the reason I play this game. I was so f--ked up mentally, more than I even knew. Alright, with that in mind…. I told P right then and there, in front of coaches and everybody, "I will knock you the f--k out, bro. You're trippin'. You was wrong, bro. You're WRONG." I can look back on that now and realize I went too far in the heat of the moment. I realize this is a business and you can't talk like that to the star player. But when you're going through grief, you only see what's right in front of you. And it was just all bad from there. We lost in the second round to Denver, in seven games. The next summer, the Clippers sent me a text message saying something like, "Thank you for everything you did for us … but, we're going to go in a different direction."


This franchise has problems, but I think it starts at the top. Trezz just took the fall, along with You-Know-Who.

We lost in the second round to Denver, in seven games. The next summer, the Clippers sent me a text message saying something like, "Thank you for everything you did for us … but, we're going to go in a different direction."


:nonono:

Frankly, it's getting harder and harder to cheer for a Ballmer team. Sterling was a pig and made no pretense of it. You could just ignore him and cheer for the team. Ballmer is a much sneakier animal.
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Post#1216 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Oct 3, 2024 3:41 am

I’m Vice President of Opinions on this forum.

You will have my opinion on Trezz. If you do not, I will continue to spam the forum with Trezz’s garbage copium quote tweet.

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1217 » by wco81 » Sun Oct 6, 2024 4:59 am

The Ringer NBA podcast went in on the Clippers decision to let PG walk.

They said the team’s best lineups last year included PG.

In fact I think they said lineups with just KL, JH or both of them were negative?

One of them said they couldn’t fathom why the Clippers would sign KL and JH but not PG — either go all in or fold.

But they said they heard great things about the Intuition Dome. One of them said that a bar at the arena is allowed to serve booze until 4 AM, the only venue in CA allowed to do so. He cracked that that must be some special exemption for Harden.
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Post#1218 » by og15 » Sun Oct 6, 2024 5:22 pm

wco81 wrote:The Ringer NBA podcast went in on the Clippers decision to let PG walk.

They said the team’s best lineups last year included PG.

In fact I think they said lineups with just KL, JH or both of them were negative?

One of them said they couldn’t fathom why the Clippers would sign KL and JH but not PG — either go all in or fold.

But they said they heard great things about the Intuition Dome. One of them said that a bar at the arena is allowed to serve booze until 4 AM, the only venue in CA allowed to do so. He cracked that that must be some special exemption for Harden.

We hyperbolize his shortcomings. He's a good player and a high overall impact player.... in the regular season.

What he's not is a superstar, and what he's not going to do is carry a team in a playoff series at 33+. George missed his age 31 and 32 playoffs due to injury, he could have been more of a playoff performer then, he was at 30. But two years later, things can change as he was never the most consistent playoff guy anyways, but more athelticism allowed him to put more rim pressure back in 20-21.

All that said, George is 100% a positive impact player. He's also a better glue guy star than both Harden and Kawhi because he's the most useful in movement and off the ball. He uses his length well on defense, he's efficient, he spaces the floor, he helps you on the glass.

The issue is that he can be taken out of a playoff series with good defense (he's not the only one, Harden actually has had similar issues despite being a better offensive player). In reality, it all doesn't even matter that much. The team is not a contender without Kawhi, and with the further details we know, Kawhi was not going to be effective last playoffs at all. So if PG and/or Harden were a little better and the Clippers somehow snuck past Dallas who were the finalist, OKC would have taken us out.

It doesn't really matter because at least the team now can pivot and there can be a different discussion.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1219 » by nickhx2 » Sun Oct 6, 2024 7:15 pm

i used to argue with anyone and everyone that pau gasol was a better player than dirk. i simply looked at it like, well pau does everything pretty well and there's two sides to the game, so... so what if dirk's a better offensive player? he rebounds like a dork for his size and doesn't defend nearly as well as pau, not as gifted a passer, etc.

it took me a long, long time (and some learning of humility) to understand that you can't just look at numbers and players on paper. a player who can pierce through the upper-echelons of playoff-level defenses designed specifically to deny you every easy bucket is a player who can win a series - seemingly all by themselves.

and it was during their run through the heat that i was like "oh, ok yeah, stupid take by me," that i fully came around to the idea. and i bring this up, because to me, this is one aspect of what critics of the move don't quite get. paul george has never been that guy whose game gets better as the stakes go higher. that's why we got kawhi first and foremost (though that turned out to be ill-fated). and the organization got pretty tired of paul george being just another guy during the playoffs, despite asking for something that would have busted up the team's flexibility.

the team didn't want to offer him more than they wanted, and he didn't seem all that enthused about staying, either. it was about as clean-cut a split you'll see and the fact that podcast critics, or whomever, still seem to be going on about a thing that this team has moved on from, for months already, should inform us about how ill-informed they are on what the team thinks (and wants) to begin with.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#1220 » by wco81 » Sun Oct 6, 2024 7:22 pm

Clippers touted cap flexibility by avoiding the second apron.

Whether they made the right decision won't be fully known for a couple more seasons, to see what they do with the flexibility.

Will they be able to add better rotation players to complement KL and JH in the next couple of years?

Or acquire someone who can average over 17-18 to replace some of the volume scoring?

Or will they not win 50 games again until after a full rebuild, likely after KL and JH are no longer on the team?

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