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Perfect Tank Player 

Post#141 » by Ranma » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:43 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:If you are seriously thinking of yourself as a title contender, you don't want him on your second unit. If you are an up-and-comer who is lacking in scoring punch off the bench, he can help a lot still IMO.


I agree, but with a different spin on your take. He's obviously not a contributor to a championship contender, although I've previously advocated that he could be a "luxury" for such a team provided it had a solid bench with depth. However, his sense of entitlement and increasing dissatisfaction with his role and salary has the makings of a malcontent on the team even if it doesn't escalate beyond the passive aggressive variety.

Crawford would be perfect for a team like the 76ers, a team practically tanking while trying to sell entertainment and possibly the illusion of competing to its fanbase. The problem with the Sixers, specifically, is that they don't have any attractive assets they'd be willing to exchange. They want to hold onto their draft picks and young players. Whatever veteran players they have are typically salary fodder.
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Clippers Players' Playmaking Abilities 

Post#142 » by Ranma » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:05 pm

Seth Parnow, Washington Post (7/27/15)
With the NBA’s pendulum swinging swiftly from an emphasis on isolation scoring toward a more collective mode of shot creation, making plays for teammates has become increasingly important. It is well-established that scoring attempts resulting from the collaboration between teammates are much more efficient than individual play.
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So who is the best playmaker? It’s hard to suggest anyone other than Chris Paul given his high rankings in both usage and efficiency, not to mention his absurdly low turnover rate. Holiday’s steadiness and the scoring dominance of James and Curry also give them top marks, while Blake Griffin’s own exceptional vision and ball-movement skills are illuminated as well.

On the other hand, this exercise demonstrates part of why Josh Smith can be such a maddening player: his passing can be a total adventure as evidenced by his astronomical turnover rate in Houston. At the same time, whether in Houston or Detroit, when he finds teammates, they get good shots as shown by the raw efficiency off his passes.

Clippers Now Have Two of the NBA’s Best Playmakers in Josh Smith and Chris Paul


The title of the article above is a bit of a misnomer when referring to J-Smoove as among the league's best playmakers when it should be that he possesses the skills to be a very good playmaker. As the top table shows, Jamal Crawford can be quite the effective creator to set up his teammates...if he'd pass to them more. Similarly, Josh Smith is also effective in setting up his teammates with assists, but as the 2nd (middle) table shows, he's also the worst with regards to turning the ball over when he attempts these passes.

I've been hard on Blake Griffin for forcing passes with his insistence on playmaking even with the more trustworthy Chris Paul out on the floor with him, but compared to Smith, Blake is Magic Johnson. As the article says, Chris Paul is pretty much recognized as the best playmaker in the game, but the Clippers do have a lot of players who exhibit such capabilities even if it is on occasion rather than in consistent fashion. Griffin, Redick, Smith, Stephenson, and Crawford have shown at least flashes of remarkable court vision and passing ability.

Crawford just doesn't do it enough because that is not his mentality. He's also an excellent spot-up shooter but he chooses not to do that either. Smith, on the other hand, apparently just forces the issue just like with his 3-point shooting. It seems like it's just a matter of impulse control as he's shown to be effective in both areas if he were to be more selective in his shot and passing opportunities.

In any case, it just means the Clippers have plenty of players capable of making their teammates better, which in turn, could make the whole team better. After all and like the article states, teams score more efficiently if teammates are setting each other up rather than relaying on isolation plays.
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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#144 » by nickhx2 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:05 pm

i don't even know what to say anymore. basically ensures we'll be seeing the pierce/crawford lineup of death off the bench for the rest of the year. also ensures we won't have a legitimate PF off the bench, or a legit backup big (neither wes nor lance are PF's, doc).

one would think that an end of roster signing is coming but with doc i don't think he cares too much about roster balance, so who really knows.

i still think that cole and smith could have done some good things together but we'll never know now. SMALL BALL FOREVER, RIGHT?
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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#145 » by Forte IV » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:18 pm

We should probably make a thread dedicated to the 15th roster spot but for now I'll post this here:

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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#146 » by TheNewEra » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:41 pm

Doc Rivers is scum and it's another year he bails on a player midway through a season. He has to go I hope someone blasts his dumb ass on the way out.

What a god damn ego in a game we needed Josh his ego kills this team and makes a dumb to the team that kicked our ass.
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Post#147 » by TucsonClip » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:01 pm

Was never a fan of Smith and didnt like the signing, albeit on a great contract. He didnt fit in, caused problems in the locker room early in the season and Doc wasn't willing to put him on the perimeter at PF.
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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#148 » by Roscoe Sheed » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:24 pm

I agree that Smith didn't fit, but why trade him within conference? What if the Clippers p;lay the Rockets and the playoffs and Smith somehow gets hot from three again at a crucial moment. Now he'll be even more inspired to get revenge. Doc didn't owe him any favors.
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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#149 » by og15 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:25 pm

Well it definitely looked like something was about to happen. Not really going to be mad about the trading in itself since Doc wasn't playing him anyways, but Doc and his front office has had a bad track record of signing guys and both sides not being on the same page in terms of roles and minutes.

Roscoe Sheed wrote:I agree that Smith didn't fit, but why trade him within conference? What if the Clippers p;lay the Rockets and the playoffs and Smith somehow gets hot from three again at a crucial moment. Now he'll be even more inspired to get revenge. Doc didn't owe him any favors.

I'm assuming if we waived him he was going to Houston anyways, so they did this to save some money
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Post#150 » by nickhx2 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:06 pm

TucsonClip wrote:Was never a fan of Smith and didnt like the signing, albeit on a great contract. He didnt fit in, caused problems in the locker room early in the season and Doc wasn't willing to put him on the perimeter at PF.


what sucks was in the beginning i was pretty against this. i really wanted darrell arthur for his shooting.

lo and behold, arthur is shooting pretty well for denver (something that would have fit very well with cole) and we are now SOL on the backup big man front. gj, doc.
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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#151 » by nickhx2 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:08 pm

og15 wrote:Well it definitely looked like something was about to happen. Not really going to be mad about the trading in itself since Doc wasn't playing him anyways, but Doc and his front office has had a bad track record of signing guys and both sides not being on the same page in terms of roles and minutes.



isn't it a lot closer to doc signing guys then being utterly shocked they can't defend and/or shoot 3's?
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Post#152 » by BlzMwt » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:38 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:I agree that Smith didn't fit, but why trade him within conference? What if the Clippers p;lay the Rockets and the playoffs and Smith somehow gets hot from three again at a crucial moment. Now he'll be even more inspired to get revenge. Doc didn't owe him any favors.



i believe that to be a fluke... if we play the rockets again, I would think it would benefit the clippers tremendously if smith started gunning in order to enact his "revenge"

i see where you are coming from though, why give more incentive for a player to work/play harder against us
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Post#153 » by Don Tommy » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:44 pm

When I saw the video of Josh and Lance slap boxing during OT, I figured it was a matter of time. Man I wish we had a good coach.
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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#154 » by Neddy » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:58 pm

nothing Doc does shocks me anymore. another display of his incompetency as a GM.

you have still a young, dynamic player who once was a rising star on a league minimum contract, why not use him as an asset for a bigger trade? Smith and Crawford to a team looking to either upgrade their bench before the playoffs in the eastern conference, or a tanking team looking to shed a multi year deal on their roster who can be useful to us?

Doc makes Ned Colletti look smart... Steve can't let this go for too long....
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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#155 » by og15 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:19 pm

nickhx2 wrote:
og15 wrote:Well it definitely looked like something was about to happen. Not really going to be mad about the trading in itself since Doc wasn't playing him anyways, but Doc and his front office has had a bad track record of signing guys and both sides not being on the same page in terms of roles and minutes.



isn't it a lot closer to doc signing guys then being utterly shocked they can't defend and/or shoot 3's?

Yea, that's true. I don't think Doc realizes how much he's hurt himself and the team by being the President of Basketball Operations. Too many small little mistakes over the years are adding up and have made it difficult for the team to really improve some key areas.

When are we trading Austin and Jamal btw?
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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#156 » by nickhx2 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:34 pm

you mean HOW MUCH ARE WE RESIGNING THEM FOR NEXT YEAR?
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Post#157 » by LACtdom » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:41 pm

I will always believe that Smith could have been a positive for this team if he was coached and used in the correct way.
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Post#158 » by TucsonClip » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:10 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:I agree that Smith didn't fit, but why trade him within conference? What if the Clippers p;lay the Rockets and the playoffs and Smith somehow gets hot from three again at a crucial moment. Now he'll be even more inspired to get revenge. Doc didn't owe him any favors.


Because we cleared his salary from our books and saved on our tax bill. If we waive him he's still on the books.
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Post#159 » by Ranma » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:16 am

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Re: JOSH SMITH to Clippers 

Post#160 » by Alex DeLarge » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:50 am

Doc has just made a bad bench even worse. Smith sucks, but he has proven capable of swinging a playoff series.

That said, this is still arguably Doc's best ever trade. The guy is a catastrophe.

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