2017 Offseason Thread

[TucsonClip]

Is there any way back into this draft?

Buying a pick that doesn't beat women?

I'd love it if we could buy a high 2nd rounder and get Hamidou Diallo, he looks like the kind of long defensive guard that you can use in any team. Of course, he'll probably go higher than what's gonna be available to buy, and our FO is not bright like that, but the Warriors bought the 38th pick last year for $2.4M, and Diallo is currently projected at 33rd on draftexpress. He'd probably take like half a decade to be playable, but that's the kind of low risk/high reward move we should be doing at the moment.

Diallo would be a nice upside pick. He has a long way to go to get on the floor, because he cant shoot a lick. Would be a great upside play, which is something we obviously need. He would be ideal for a two-way contract, but no way hes accepting that if drafted that high.

This is why finally getting our own D-League team was such a necessity.

I also would be interested in taking a flier on Jordan Bell and seeing if his jumper can ever come around. I doubt Doc would ever play him, but he has decent size to help in the front court, blocks shots, rebounds above average, defends, good athlete. Hes the type of defender that helps vs. small lineups.

[Quake Griffin]

Jordan Bell's jumper is coming along.

That guy is a hell of an athlete and can guard multiple positions. Incredible motor. He'd be a fantastic addition.


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[TucsonClip]

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Great... Hes admitting we are lacking the same things weve been lacking since he got here? When do we re-sign Alan Anderson?

[wco81]

Noncommittal?

Didn't he give an interview just a couple of weeks ago to USA Today saying he wanted to keep all 3 starters who are or could be free agents this summer?

[nickhx2]

what a scum Lord

[Captain Ballmer]

Is there any way back into this draft?

Buying a pick that doesn't beat women?

I'd love it if we could buy a high 2nd rounder and get Hamidou Diallo, he looks like the kind of long defensive guard that you can use in any team. Of course, he'll probably go higher than what's gonna be available to buy, and our FO is not bright like that, but the Warriors bought the 38th pick last year for $2.4M, and Diallo is currently projected at 33rd on draftexpress. He'd probably take like half a decade to be playable, but that's the kind of low risk/high reward move we should be doing at the moment.

Diallo would be a nice upside pick. He has a long way to go to get on the floor, because he cant shoot a lick. Would be a great upside play, which is something we obviously need. He would be ideal for a two-way contract, but no way hes accepting that if drafted that high.

This is why finally getting our own D-League team was such a necessity.

I also would be interested in taking a flier on Jordan Bell and seeing if his jumper can ever come around. I doubt Doc would ever play him, but he has decent size to help in the front court, blocks shots, rebounds above average, defends, good athlete. Hes the type of defender that helps vs. small lineups.

I think Mathias Lessort is already a better version of Jordan Bell with Jumper. DX ranks him at 32, while Bell at 39. Lessort is a european name I'm familiar with euro basketball tournaments he overachieved regarding his age. Since he's european, he may even slip to the late second round at the draft night where buying a pick is very easy.

Jordan Bell on the other hand, has huge mental farts during games that makes you crazy. Tools are great but that's all.

Any thoughts on Sindarius Thornwell? he might be the 3-D guy we looking for ages only the cost of an early second round pick.

[MartinToVaught]

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Those require assets that we don't have because of years of GM Doc's idiocy. And even if we did have young athletic two-way players, Coach Doc wouldn't play them. They'd be riding the bench behind whichever washed former Celtic is getting their farewell tour in a Clippers uniform next year.

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Doc is lying through his teeth. This is him trying to set Frank up as the scapegoat for all the poor front office decisions. Earth to Doc: we aren't stupid!

Ballmer is a straight-up coward for not firing this fraud and all of his cronies. He doesn't care one bit about winning. The "hardcore Clippers" schtick was all a lie. Imagine how much better off this franchise would be if the Guggenheim group had bought it instead.

[QRich3]

Is there any way back into this draft?

Buying a pick that doesn't beat women?

I'd love it if we could buy a high 2nd rounder and get Hamidou Diallo, he looks like the kind of long defensive guard that you can use in any team. Of course, he'll probably go higher than what's gonna be available to buy, and our FO is not bright like that, but the Warriors bought the 38th pick last year for $2.4M, and Diallo is currently projected at 33rd on draftexpress. He'd probably take like half a decade to be playable, but that's the kind of low risk/high reward move we should be doing at the moment.

But if we sign Chris, why go after a guy who is only playable after 5 years?

What about DJ Wilson in the 2nd? I've watched him int he B1G over this season. Nice build. Looks like he will commit to the defensive end (I can never tell if a player will or will not defend on the NBA level). Can hit the trey ball and my guess is will get better at it if pick and pop is his role.

Devin Robinson at Florida? I'm more in love with this guys physical stature plus the fact that he can shoot. 6'8". 6'11" arms. Looks reasonably strong. Should be able to guard on the wing and some small 4s.

Honestly, if all the Warriors paid was 2.4m for the #38 pick last year, I honestly want Ballmer to buy 2 seconds and draft both these guys.

5 years was probably an exaggeration, but if we had gotten one of those when Chris got here, we'd have one more starter right now. And who knows, he might look more refined than expected once you put him put there with professionals. Look at Jaylen Brown for instance, even though he was a much better prospect, no one thought he'd look like this once on the NBA. If Diallo can become a SG version of Kelly Oubre or Justise Winslow, or even a worse shooting Danny Green, he'd be the kind of player this team's needed for ages.

I still haven't sunk my teeth too deeply into this year's prospects, but DJ Wilson sounds nice, as do Bell and Lessort. I'm not a big fan of Robinson personally, but I'm not too great at projecting either tbh. Main thing is, there's definitely gonna be interesting players worth spending the money if you buy a pick.

By the way, there's a limit per CBA that you can't spend more than slightly over $3M a year in pure cash for transactions like these. So we could only buy one, and that's if it's available, which each year it seems there are less and less for sale and more expensive each time.

[wammi_K]

It's possible for us to trade Blake for Paul George, right?

[nickhx2]

we could technically do a s/t: max blake out then send him to indiana. but blake would have to value the extra $$$$ over playing for the pacers where they look to be far from contenders. especially when his alternatives are something like just playing for that same money in LA or for less money (but still a buttload) for another place of his choosing.

basically it's highly unlikely, though something i wish we could do. moreover, i'd be pretty troubled by all the talk of george wanting to play for the lakers. like what if george just bounces after his contract's over? compare that to the alternative of maxing blake, then trading him next deadline for far stronger value.

[TucsonClip]

By the way, there's a limit per CBA that you can't spend more than slightly over $3M a year in pure cash for transactions like these. So we could only buy one, and that's if it's available, which each year it seems there are less and less for sale and more expensive each time.

That limit is on the rise due to the salary cap increase. Next season, the total comes in at $3.6 mil, which is actually pretty significant for us should we try to purchase a 2nd. I would suggest we dont purchase the freaking 56th pick this year. If you are going to buy a draft pick, make the investment into one where you can land a legitimate prospect.

That has always been the issue. I dont trust the front office to identify anyone worthwhile, not sure that changes with Frank either. I'd point to our draft last year as an example. However, this could be good news if they see something they like in Bell. He's the kind of prospect we tend to draft, plus hes already 22.

[TucsonClip]

we could technically do a s/t: max blake out then send him to indiana. but blake would have to value the extra $$$$ over playing for the pacers where they look to be far from contenders. especially when his alternatives are something like just playing for that same money in LA or for less money (but still a buttload) for another place of his choosing.

basically it's highly unlikely, though something i wish we could do. moreover, i'd be pretty troubled by all the talk of george wanting to play for the lakers. like what if george just bounces after his contract's over? compare that to the alternative of maxing blake, then trading him next deadline for far stronger value.

Blake would have to agree to the deal, but he also would only receive a four-year contract and only 4.5% raises. So, I have no idea why he would want to do that unless he really likes Indianapolis.

If Blake opts in to his contract for next season, then we can trade him.

[wco81]

Has a player with a max contract ever been traded?

Seems like it wouldn't be a trivial thing to pull off.

[QRich3]

By the way, there's a limit per CBA that you can't spend more than slightly over $3M a year in pure cash for transactions like these. So we could only buy one, and that's if it's available, which each year it seems there are less and less for sale and more expensive each time.

That limit is on the rise due to the salary cap increase. Next season, the total comes in at $3.6 mil, which is actually pretty significant for us should we try to purchase a 2nd. I would suggest we dont purchase the freaking 56th pick this year. If you are going to buy a draft pick, make the investment into one where you can land a legitimate prospect.

That has always been the issue. I dont trust the front office to identify anyone worthwhile, not sure that changes with Frank either. I'd point to our draft last year as an example. However, this could be good news if they see something they like in Bell. He's the kind of prospect we tend to draft, plus hes already 22.

That's not for this season still does it? If not, one pick in the late 30's/early 40's would be the best we can reasonably expect.

I fully agree with you on the current FO lack of vision though. So many good looking prospects were available with both our picks last year in Brogdon, Diallo, McCaw and even a guy like Onuaku who still hasn't panned out, and they went for the two readiest guys with the less long term upside. Very frustrating indeed.

Ballmer has been boasting about how Frank's rebuilt the scouting infrastructure, but I don't have a lot of faith either.

[TucsonClip]

That's not for this season still does it? If not, one pick in the late 30's/early 40's would be the best we can reasonably expect.

I fully agree with you on the current FO lack of vision though. So many good looking prospects were available with both our picks last year in Brogdon, Diallo, McCaw and even a guy like Onuaku who still hasn't panned out, and they went for the two readiest guys with the less long term upside. Very frustrating indeed.

Ballmer has been boasting about how Frank's rebuilt the scouting infrastructure, but I don't have a lot of faith either.

Good point, I forgot to factor that in. Luckily, we havent used any cash for trades this past season (unless I am forgetting one during the summer some how). The cap for this season (2016 - 2017) is $3.5 million, so still good news.

[ejftw]

Ike Anigbogu is the guy I want if we were to purchase a 2nd. Dude is athletic, long and physical. If Monte goes undrafted, hope we pick him up as well, love his ball handling.

Either way, I'm weary on discussing young guys since Doc never plays them anyway.

[nickhx2]

he's on that 2-way young player thing now though!

[TucsonClip]

Ike Anigbogu is the guy I want if we were to purchase a 2nd. Dude is athletic, long and physical. If Monte goes undrafted, hope we pick him up as well, love his ball handling.

Either way, I'm weary on discussing young guys since Doc never plays them anyway.

I like Ike, but no way he makes it past the very early 2nd, if he even makes it out of round 1.

[ejftw]

Yeah, I agree. Wouldn't be shocked that a team in the early 20s gave him a promise, which is why he went ahead and hired an agent.

[Quake Griffin]

Anybody interested in signing PJ Tucker?



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