2023 Trade Deadline Thread: Conley/VanVleet/Lowry/etc. (Updated thread)

[The High Cyde]

I read a social media post that Kawhi wants Ben Simmons on the team lol.

Kawhi can **** off with that.

[nickhx2]

Been lurking for years. Very happy EJ is back. Welcome back homie. All the best for the rest of the season. As for everything else, Plumlee is a very good signing on paper. Pretty excited to see how that works out. We all know his flaws, but excited for Westbrook if he joins too. Felt like he had shackles on whenever I saw him play for the Lakers. No shackles if Kawhi and PG are resting.

ya, bro, come back!

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[clipperlover]

I think it is a lot of smoke and mirrors right now with Westbrook. He is hearing all this crap coming out and trying to balance between being a title chaser or helping a team make the playoffs and screwing over the Lakers.

Based on the stories, I suspect he is looking at the latter. Portland, OKC and/or Utah would allow him to potentially keep the Lakers out of the play-in.

The one real attraction to signing with the Clips though is that they only have 9 road games left. Only one road trip east of the Mississippi (@Mem, @Mem, @NOLA). The other road games are @PHX (2), @DEN, @POR, @SAC, @GS). Would give him a lot of practice time and time at home which will make it easier to integrate.

[KL2]

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[Clemenza]

Bones played 19 MPG for Denver last season (48-34) as a rookie and this season until recently falling out of the rotation. For all his faults, he's still head and shoulders above a prospect level player like BBJ. The big question is going to be his defense, but he'll at least get a chance to put some pep into our offense off the bench. Unlike Luke he's a very willing shooter, and hits 3's at a good enough rate to justify the volume. It will take a year or 2 to see what his upside is as an NBA point guard.

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Not sure about this. BBJ hasn't gotten enough minutes with the main team to make this type of judgement imo. Both are known for scoring and not much defense so far in their careers. Denver didn't have a log jam at shooting guard and small forward for Bones to get DNP's every night like the Clipps do for Boston. I could be wrong of course but at the end of the day I'm just hoping one of these guys can turn into something special. The front office was definitely high on Bones pre draft a couple of years ago though. Tonight might be another night for Boston to show us something but we'll see

[clipperlover]

This is just brutal:

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[KL2]

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[madmaxmedia]

Here’s another Bones video, it’s a fun watch. Obviously you have to develop beyond just 1 on 1 skills, but he likes to shoot and does it well.

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[Wammy Giveaway]

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And it looks as though their third try, the one that could make it "three strikes yer out" is going to be the one that works. Remember, Clippers were down 2-0 three times in the 2021 NBA Playoffs. The fear of being down 3-0, where no team has ever come back from in the playoffs, is what motivates them. They'll be sure that third self choice will work, basically turning this into an ultimatum. "If it fails, I'll leave." Or something like that.

As a matter of fact, a few fans are wondering if getting George was a mistake:

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[Roscoe Sheed]

Frank should have prioritized acquiring a true point guard rather than hyland. I hope he proves me wrong, but it is glaring weakness. Is Rondo in shape still? Probably fits better than Westbrook

[Dynamix]

I've had actual dreams about Milos Teodosic playing on this roster. Shame it didn't work out, if only he was younger/healthier.

[Bobbymcgee]

Sucks the Clippers couldn't get a true point guard at the trade deadline but I am glad they got a decent back up center and two guys in Bones and Gordon who hopefully aren't afraid to shoot the ball in the fourth quarter.

[KL2]

If reports are true they did try to get a pg but were priced out.

If VanFleet (not saying he’s the ideal choice but the FO apparently is hot for him) is wanting out still the Clippers might have a better chance at getting him this summer. The Raptors won’t be too demanding in return because they’d rather get something then let him walk. We’ll see though.

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Who did Leonard campaign/demand for? Jackson and Wall were PG’s guys. Rondo was the FO if I remember correctly.

[Clemenza]

All bullsh*t aside I'm starting to think that our power forward situation is actually worse than the point guard situation. Teflon Morris had 0 rebounds last night. That's unacceptable! No rebounding, no defense, no put backs, no intimidation, no steals, no blocked shots.. just jump shots only! Just think how much easier things would be on the team if Mook only added two of these things to the team like rebounding and some defense. Hell Zu's would look a lot better as well. I actually think Moussa or Mann at pf would be an improvement at this point.

[MartinToVaught]

All bullsh*t aside I'm starting to think that our power forward situation is actually worse than the point guard situation. Teflon Morris had 0 rebounds last night. That's unacceptable! No rebounding, no defense, no put backs, no intimidation, no steals, no blocked shots.. just jump shots only! Just think how much easier things would be on the team if Mook only added two of these things to the team like rebounding and some defense. Hell Zu's would look a lot better as well. I actually think Moussa or Mann at pf would be an improvement at this point.

You're not wrong, and that's why it's even more annoying for Morris to be chiming in on roster moves than it already is with PG. When you are so bad that 29 other teams are unwilling to trade anything for you - not even a second-round pick when the value of those has never been lower - the quality of the rest of the roster should be the last thing on your mind.

This team has no accountability from the coach on down. All these guys do is point fingers, make excuses and beg for different players, and Lue still gives guaranteed minutes to his favorite veterans no matter how bad they are. It's infuriating.

[Wammy Giveaway]

If reports are true they did try to get a pg but were priced out.

If VanFleet (not saying he’s the ideal choice but the FO apparently is hot for him) is wanting out still the Clippers might have a better chance at getting him this summer. The Raptors won’t be too demanding in return because they’d rather get something then let him walk. We’ll see though.

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Who did Leonard campaign/demand for? Jackson and Wall were PG’s guys. Rondo was the FO if I remember correctly.

Leonard gave blanket statements, he never gave out real names. The reports of VanVleet and Lowry feel like front office moves to appease Leonard, but more importantly, a Clippers move. One of their greatest character defects is trying to pretend to be someone they're not. Doc Rivers tried to turn Clippers into Celtics West. Front office wants to turn Clippers into Raptors West. With George supposedly having a say, he wants to turn Clippers into George & Friends. There is a divide, and the divide can simply be blamed on the franchise's losing history. The longer the championship drought drags on, the more chaotic Clippers become, and they're flinging darts of previous team's successes onto the board, hoping that one of them will land on the bullseye. Three problems:

- Those darts of Celtics, Raptors and Spurs; their points have dulled out
- The board has worn out due to all of the abuse taken by the darts
- The dart throwers have very bad aim, not one of them has hit the bullseye

I feel that the Clippers desperately need a General Advisor. This is a position that's never existed in NBA. Someone who analyzes all the departments (front office, coaching, roster, medical staff, scouts, owner), and makes suggestions based on their findings. The advisor would have total usurp power, someone who is not afraid to say to a superstar player, "I want you to get ejected from this game," as a way of teaching this player the lesson that nobody can be blamed except you. Referee didn't eject you, fan didn't eject you, opponents baited you but they didn't do it directly. You did it yourself.

And it looks like it may take a George or Leonard ejection for Ballmer to see there is a huge divide. Morris's ejection already got the ball rolling. If a superstar gets ejected, the panic button's getting pushed.

[ejftw]

I've had actual dreams about Milos Teodosic playing on this roster. Shame it didn't work out, if only he was younger/healthier.

I'd honestly take him, even at this point. The open looks he'd generate on offense would be huge. Just really would need to game plan on defense

[madmaxmedia]

Bones played 19 MPG for Denver last season (48-34) as a rookie and this season until recently falling out of the rotation. For all his faults, he's still head and shoulders above a prospect level player like BBJ. The big question is going to be his defense, but he'll at least get a chance to put some pep into our offense off the bench. Unlike Luke he's a very willing shooter, and hits 3's at a good enough rate to justify the volume. It will take a year or 2 to see what his upside is as an NBA point guard.

Not sure about this. BBJ hasn't gotten enough minutes with the main team to make this type of judgement imo. Both are known for scoring and not much defense so far in their careers. Denver didn't have a log jam at shooting guard and small forward for Bones to get DNP's every night like the Clipps do for Boston. I could be wrong of course but at the end of the day I'm just hoping one of these guys can turn into something special. The front office was definitely high on Bones pre draft a couple of years ago though. Tonight might be another night for Boston to show us something but we'll see

BBJ still has unrealized potential, but there is a clear difference in the trajectory of their college and NBA careers so far (granted Bones is a year older.) Brandon’s one year in college was a mess, and he wasn’t able to crack our rotation at all during our ‘lost year’ last season. He also hasn’t shot over 40% FG or 35% 3PT in college or NBA.

Bones has been an NBA player from the get go playing 19 MPG on a playoff team as a rookie, largely because he can fill it up from 3. He has a clear standout skill, though he does have significant weaknesses especially if he’s going to be an NBA point guard. He shoots 3’s at a significantly higher rate per 36 than Luke ever did for us, can do it off the dribble and from distance, with good efficiency.

I don’t think our viewpoints differ that much though. Bones has got a lot to learn, as does BBJ. BBJ should have stayed in college at least one more year, but then we wouldn’t have drafted in the mid 2nd round.

[esqtvd]

I've had actual dreams about Milos Teodosic playing on this roster. Shame it didn't work out, if only he was younger/healthier.

I'd honestly take him, even at this point. The open looks he'd generate on offense would be huge. Just really would need to game plan on defense

heinous D
5 turnovers per 36 minutes

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