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Post#741 » by madmaxmedia » Tue Jul 2, 2024 4:56 pm

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I can believe this. There were other stories saying Kuminga was offered, among the different package the Warriors offered.

In a vacuum- without apron concerns- trading PG to GSW for some decent package probably would have been better than letting him walk for nothing. But with the apron, it had to be a better package for it to be a value-positive trade for the Clippers and that didn't happen (at least in the eyes of our FO.) Kuminga (especially Kuminga and a 1st) would have tilted the balance in favor of a trade for us, so the report that he was never on the table is very plausible. I don't know why GSW thought it was nearing a done deal if Kuminga was a line in the sand for them, they had to be aware how the apron affected a trade on our side.

The new apron rules certainly have had a huge effect on us. But I don't mind them generally TBH. The rationale for keeping the system as is was reasonable- let the billionaires go way over the cap because they are paying massive luxury taxes that get paid out to everyone else. But in terms of the actual product on the floor and overall competitiveness, the apron rules will actually limit how far teams can spend.

'Creative limitations' is the term I'd use to describe what we've been doing the last couple of days, and I like it- even if yes the team would have been better next season just running everything back (future years though would have gotten a lot more dicey...)
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#742 » by Clemenza » Tue Jul 2, 2024 5:22 pm

Captain Ballmer wrote:These late additions are like a new theme "hard nose, tough to beat". Can't see Bones&Norm fit in anymore. I think FO looking to add some shooting with size.

That's the thing, we needed some of these hard hat lunch pale guys for the past two years. Just think if we had a few of these guys against Dallas even minus Kawhi.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#743 » by esqtvd » Tue Jul 2, 2024 7:17 pm

Second apron = DEATH

A FAQ. Regardless of having traded away the immediate future of draft picks, Ballmer is still counting on the Clippers remaining the UFA destination for location and weather reasons, as well as facilities, culture, winning and everything else that comes with having the richest owner in sports.




    Crossing the first apron is already pretty costly for teams trying to make improvements. Once the first threshold is crossed, teams can no longer acquire players via sign-and-trade.

    They also aren’t allowed to use trade exceptions or take more salary back in trades, so they wouldn’t be able to trade for a player that makes more than the one they trade away. They also aren’t allowed to sign waived players during the regular season that had salaries over $12.9 million.

    The second apron gets much worse. All of the restrictions applied to the first apron teams still apply, but second apron teams are also not allowed to:

    Use the mid-level exception in any capacity
    —Aggregate contracts sent out to other teams or make deals sending out straight cash to other teams
    —Make sign-and-trade deals with their own free agents if their incoming salary still exceeds the second apron or use trade exceptions created from new trades
    —Use a 2032 first-round pick in a trade if the team finishes the season still over the second apron limit.
    You can see how much harder it gets to make roster improvements when you cross that second apron threshold.

    So that’s why so many teams are just letting free agents walk?

    Yes, exactly. These teams are already so expensive with massive contracts on the books even before they sign any free agents.

    Teams like the L.A. Clippers, Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors, and more avoided the second apron by letting key free agents walk. At the same time, though, they made major sacrifices to their teams. The Clippers lost an All-Star in Paul George. The Nuggets lost a key starter in Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. The Warriors are losing an integral piece of the team’s DNA in Klay Thompson. All of this is happening to avoid these new penalties.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#744 » by KL2 » Tue Jul 2, 2024 8:03 pm

I’d forgotten about this story.

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#745 » by madmaxmedia » Tue Jul 2, 2024 8:33 pm

KL2 wrote:I’d forgotten about this story.

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That's a really cool story, thanks for posting!

Just maybe, if there is anyone that can mentor Bamba and help him fulfill some of his potential, it will be Kawhi (and our staff.)
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Post#746 » by nickhx2 » Tue Jul 2, 2024 8:54 pm

i do wonder if part of why we even went after mo bamba was because of JVG, but i don't really recall much about how he developed players in his years as a head coach
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#747 » by KL2 » Tue Jul 2, 2024 10:38 pm

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#748 » by KL2 » Tue Jul 2, 2024 11:36 pm

Well …

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#749 » by Clemenza » Tue Jul 2, 2024 11:55 pm

KL2 wrote:Well …

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All wife beater team? Yikes!
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#750 » by KL2 » Wed Jul 3, 2024 12:01 am

The leaked stuff usually doesn’t happen.

I’m going with the Clippers leaking to put pressure on Utah to give us Collins. It’s my story and sticking to it.
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Post#751 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Jul 3, 2024 12:18 am

I never want to hear the words "culture" or "character" from Frank again after another wasted draft. They aren't just lies at this point, they're insulting lies.

Bridges can't even be rationalized from a basketball perspective. He's completely redundant here. Frank is just trying to acquire all the scummiest people in the league for no apparent reason. It's baffling that he's not even on the hot seat right now, let alone fired.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#752 » by Clemenza » Wed Jul 3, 2024 12:48 am

Told y'all, these acquisitions have jumped the shark and are now headed into dangerous territory
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#753 » by KL2 » Wed Jul 3, 2024 1:43 am

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Post#754 » by Ballings7 » Wed Jul 3, 2024 2:00 am

Definitely would like Collins at PF.. not ideal from a defensive standpoint and offensive deference, but would bring legit talent, athleticism, and rebounding.

Miles Bridges.. I wouldn't mind still, but the team needs a PF still badly, and it shouldn't be Batum. I would be more into the Bridges move, past off course issues can't do anything about, but that was moreso before Derrick Jones Jr. signing.

Bridges would help respectably replace Paul George, but isn't really someone who should be playing PF on a regular, game-long basis. DJJ needs to come off the bench if Miles Bridges is brought in, which is a different and better scenario -- that I I definitely like, and would be what the team would have to do to have a balanced roster.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#755 » by esqtvd » Wed Jul 3, 2024 3:43 am

Ballings7 wrote:Definitely would like Collins at PF.. not ideal from a defensive standpoint and offensive deference, but would bring legit talent, athleticism, and rebounding.

Miles Bridges.. I wouldn't mind still, but the team needs a PF still badly, and it shouldn't be Batum. I would be more into the Bridges move, past off course issues can't do anything about, but that was moreso before Derrick Jones Jr. signing.

Bridges would help respectably replace Paul George, but isn't really someone who should be playing PF on a regular, game-long basis. DJJ needs to come off the bench if Miles Bridges is brought in, which is a different and better scenario -- that I I definitely like, and would be what the team would have to do to have a balanced roster.


There simply aren't enough decent PFs to go around in the NBA. According to Basketball Reference, Miles played 64% of his time two years ago at the 4, and 92% the year after that. Close enough for "positionless basketball." We were starting the 6-5 Mann, ffs, and letting it sort itself out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bridgmi02.html
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#756 » by Goner » Wed Jul 3, 2024 4:23 am

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Ballings7 wrote:Definitely would like Collins at PF.. not ideal from a defensive standpoint and offensive deference, but would bring legit talent, athleticism, and rebounding.

Miles Bridges.. I wouldn't mind still, but the team needs a PF still badly, and it shouldn't be Batum. I would be more into the Bridges move, past off course issues can't do anything about, but that was moreso before Derrick Jones Jr. signing.

Bridges would help respectably replace Paul George, but isn't really someone who should be playing PF on a regular, game-long basis. DJJ needs to come off the bench if Miles Bridges is brought in, which is a different and better scenario -- that I I definitely like, and would be what the team would have to do to have a balanced roster.


There simply aren't enough decent PFs to go around in the NBA. According to Basketball Reference, Miles played 92% of his time two years ago at the 4, and 69% the year before that. Close enough for "positionless basketball." We were starting the 6-5 Mann, ffs, and letting it sort itself out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bridgmi02.html

Whatever keeps Kawhi's ligaments from having to guard Zion and other PFs on a nightly basis is a win in my book. Also, he'd give us shooting and shotmaking at that position, not to mention durability.
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Post#757 » by Sofia » Wed Jul 3, 2024 4:24 am

Scum squad assemble!

Still think they’ll be fun to watch from an on the court stand point
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Post#758 » by KingCrimzzon » Wed Jul 3, 2024 4:30 am

Ballings7 wrote:Definitely would like Collins at PF.. not ideal from a defensive standpoint and offensive deference, but would bring legit talent, athleticism, and rebounding.

Miles Bridges.. I wouldn't mind still, but the team needs a PF still badly, and it shouldn't be Batum. I would be more into the Bridges move, past off course issues can't do anything about, but that was moreso before Derrick Jones Jr. signing.

Bridges would help respectably replace Paul George, but isn't really someone who should be playing PF on a regular, game-long basis. DJJ needs to come off the bench if Miles Bridges is brought in, which is a different and better scenario -- that I I definitely like, and would be what the team would have to do to have a balanced roster.


Definitely wasn't aware of the off court issues. But it seems we are trying to be the redemption team already with KPJ and Primo. I would take Bridges a legit 4, have a bigger front line with Zu and Kawhi letting him be the 3 and mostly help him out defensively. While saving Kawhi for more offensively because we are gonna need it. Have Bamba, Nico and DJJ come off the bench. You end up with some depth there.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#759 » by Ballings7 » Wed Jul 3, 2024 4:46 am

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Ballings7 wrote:Definitely would like Collins at PF.. not ideal from a defensive standpoint and offensive deference, but would bring legit talent, athleticism, and rebounding.

Miles Bridges.. I wouldn't mind still, but the team needs a PF still badly, and it shouldn't be Batum. I would be more into the Bridges move, past off course issues can't do anything about, but that was moreso before Derrick Jones Jr. signing.

Bridges would help respectably replace Paul George, but isn't really someone who should be playing PF on a regular, game-long basis. DJJ needs to come off the bench if Miles Bridges is brought in, which is a different and better scenario -- that I I definitely like, and would be what the team would have to do to have a balanced roster.


There simply aren't enough decent PFs to go around in the NBA. According to Basketball Reference, Miles played 92% of his time two years ago at the 4, and 69% the year before that. Close enough for "positionless basketball." We were starting the 6-5 Mann, ffs, and letting it sort itself out.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bridgmi02.html

Whatever keeps Kawhi's ligaments from having to guard Zion and other PFs on a nightly basis is a win in my book. Also, he'd give us shooting and shotmaking at that position, not to mention durability.


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Ballings7 wrote:Definitely would like Collins at PF.. not ideal from a defensive standpoint and offensive deference, but would bring legit talent, athleticism, and rebounding.

Miles Bridges.. I wouldn't mind still, but the team needs a PF still badly, and it shouldn't be Batum. I would be more into the Bridges move, past off course issues can't do anything about, but that was moreso before Derrick Jones Jr. signing.

Bridges would help respectably replace Paul George, but isn't really someone who should be playing PF on a regular, game-long basis. DJJ needs to come off the bench if Miles Bridges is brought in, which is a different and better scenario -- that I I definitely like, and would be what the team would have to do to have a balanced roster.


Definitely wasn't aware of the off court issues. But it seems we are trying to be the redemption team already with KPJ and Primo. I would take Bridges a legit 4, have a bigger front line with Zu and Kawhi letting him be the 3 and mostly help him out defensively. While saving Kawhi for more offensively because we are gonna need it. Have Bamba, Nico and DJJ come off the bench. You end up with some depth there.




Eh, I mean Bridges may work at the four.. I haven't watched him enough as most people have not to fully gauge his versatility on defense and how well he rebounds... good numbers rebounding the ball at least. Also have to consider he's been on a bad Charlotte team for his career, so would have to see how he translates to a legit playoff team.

Before his DV incident, he would of been an all-star as he broke out that season, 2021-2022 I think.

To me he's more of a pure SF than a hybrid forward at PF, which goes into how flexible and solid a team's defensive ability is, and how well they'll rebound the ball.

He could do a decent job taking the load off of Kawhi at PF. He would do a considerably better job than starting Mann, yes.

Maybe would be like a PJ Washington and more talented offensively, and more athletic.

Overall, I'd probably rather get John Collins of the two to be the starting PF, because he has a bit more size even if he isn't a special defender or overly cagey ; but adding Bridges would supplant the talent left behind by Paul George at a much lesser monetary cost.

Jalen Smith would of been basically perfect. Maybe LAC can trade for him next season : )
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#760 » by KL2 » Wed Jul 3, 2024 4:52 am

Probably nothing to do with us but this could be crazy … I don’t think it gives details going by the comments. I can’t read the article either.

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