Would you rather have Gordon or Hinrich?

[tkb]

Neither if it costs me Odom.

will someone please answer if lakers can really sign ariza, farmar, bynum, and odom next year (all 1 year expiring and only players to dump are mihm and coby karl making 2.6 mil together)? Otherwise I say we need to do something... not right away, but atleast by trade deadline.

If the option is to trade Odom for Hinrich and Nocioni, we can re-sign Odom up to like 12 million per year and Farmar for like 5 million per, and still be in about the same shape we would be with that trade. Don't really see the benefit of doing this trade money wise to be honest. Not a huge fan of Hinrich (I think he's overrated), and it costs about the same as keeping the players we have in place right now. If this was for Billups or something, it would be enticing.

Bynum is staying regardless of the cost. Ariza will also stay if he agrees to a reasonable deal.

[YiYaoYue]

Neither if it costs me Odom.

will someone please answer if lakers can really sign ariza, farmar, bynum, and odom next year (all 1 year expiring and only players to dump are mihm and coby karl making 2.6 mil together)? Otherwise I say we need to do something... not right away, but atleast by trade deadline.

If the option is to trade Odom for Hinrich and Nocioni, we can re-sign Odom up to like 12 million per year and Farmar for like 5 million per, and still be in about the same shape we would be with that trade. Don't really see the benefit of doing this trade money wise to be honest. Not a huge fan of Hinrich (I think he's overrated), and it costs about the same as keeping the players we have in place right now. If this was for Billups or something, it would be enticing.

Bynum is staying regardless of the cost. Ariza will also stay if he agrees to a reasonable deal.

well it isn't just odom for hindricha nd nocioni, i dont like that trade either... but if we are also going to dump walton or vlads contract for gooden who will be leaving chicago anyway then we either can resign gooden for less money if we can or just dump him and shred 7 mil off the books.

I'm just wondering if we give bynum a 10-11 mil multiyear deal, is Buss going to be willing to pay 12 mil for odom? I just have a feeling odom will be force traded for bad value or end up walking for nothing

[SPuL]

Unless Odom agrees to one of these mythical pay cuts (that fans always talk about, but never actually happen) Most likely we can resign Gooden & still have Nocioni for around the same price as Odom would cost us. That helps our depth alot more than signing Odom & expecting him to be able to play the role of 2 players.

Also Hinrich is on a front loaded contract, so by the 11/12 season when he's expiring he'll only be making 7.5 mil. That's a great value for him. You have to also take into account that if Farmar turns out to be anything more than a marginal role player, we could end up having to pay around that much just to resign Jordan. Add in us shedding waltons salary & yes, it makes perfect sense for us financially. Even if we go with Gordon instead of Hinrich, it'll still cost no more than a few mil more than resigning Odom/Farmar/ paying luke.

[SiCk-R-tHaNeVeR]

Now that CHI will have over 100 mill in several years of Small Forward play, it's magic wand time. They have to be worried about costs (and Ben Gordon still sitting there to be extended).
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sadly our magic wand is on vacation.

I find this particularly hilarius, perhaps I need sleep!

[Leonidas]

Well from the rumors of it
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Chicago may have another trade buddy in Sac for Brad Miller for possibly Noc

And it seems this is to try and free up some cash to keep Ben G? or maybe its a smokescreen for a sign and trade.

Hell if Chicago wants a center, give them Chris and LO for maybe Kirk or Ben and a pf? I dunno but Chi seems to want a C.

[VIPER8382]

Just for reference, Farmar has 2 years left on his rookie deal if we pick up the option (which we obviously will).

[hermes]

Neither if it costs me Odom.

will someone please answer if lakers can really sign ariza, farmar, bynum, and odom next year (all 1 year expiring and only players to dump are mihm and coby karl making 2.6 mil together)? Otherwise I say we need to do something... not right away, but atleast by trade deadline.

your acting like money doesn't grow on trees


............wait it doesn't grow on trees? ah crap

[Joe Kleazy]

Straight swagger jacking in this thread, I been posting a nocioni trade all damn week and could get not response. B******


Anyway like I have been saying regardless of the emotional attachment to odom WE KNOW that he wont have issues backing up bynum and pau in the PF spot, but we also KNOW FOR SURE that he cannot give us the necessary play we need at the SF spot. Why waste a contending year to " see what he's got", when you can add toughness and depth to the team NOW.

There are debates about whether odom will take a paycut next season.........HELL NO, especially not to the amount that would be beneficial for OUR cap situation. Two or three million off his price wont help us. Nocioni and Gooden TOGETHER this season make two million more than odom and can bring what we need to fill odoms shoes on the court. The amount that would make odom recieve so much praise to dropin pay seems to be between 8-9 million a year. Who really thinks he will drop that much from getting 14 mil? NOCONI will be making 7.5 NEXT SEASON and around that for the next three years after that.

PERFECT IMO since there is NO CONVINCING him to do us a favor....his contract is already suitable for our cap and he can play the 3/4 with toughness, hit the jumper, and move the ball. Its a cherry on top that we would still have a 7 million expiring next summer to move or lose (If we want) in Gooden which would also be HALF of odom's money WITHOUT CONVINCING him to help out our cap. IMO gooden dosen't have near the multiple talents odom has to demand big money and would be much easier to re-sign for Kwame Brown type money, especially once he gets a piece of the Laker Life. Even moreso after getting used to going back to the finals again. If he dosent want to take that 4 mil a year we have flexibility to move him easily and get a servicable big for even cheaper to play 4/5 off the bench. Those who were looking for all the ring hungry vets will see them after we have back to back finals appearences and WIN THIS TIME.


Trading odom straight up for one or the other makes no sense but to get a two for one or even to be able to get rid of one or two of luke / radman / ariza / mihm would allow us a little room around the collar to breath.

A (PF)expiring + fillers for a (PF)expiring and a gauranteed low money (SF)contract is a win-win IMO. We lose no size up front since gooden is the same height as odom for all you "Longest front-line in history" lovers and gain a SF who is just as humble, team-oriented and can SHOOT & DEFEND .

I know the two incoming names aren't as sexy as "ODOM" as far as the league is concerned but I thought someone put it best earlier this week when stating "back in the 3-peat days outside of shaq and kobe our roster wasn't filled with top notch talent and look what we accomplished". We have our big three in KOBE, PAU, and BYNUM now we fill the gaps. Look what a determined role playing PG D-Fisher meant to the team this year. Surprised alot of people right? I wholeheartedly understand those who covet the chemistry that we have but how long did it take for Pau to build chemistry coming in at the half point last year? The celtics took that problem head on and succeeded. Realisticly Pau and Bynum have never played toether does that mean anything? Lets be real nocioni and Gooden are professionals who I have heard nothing bad about who both have been a part of sucessful teams........nothing different here except for the history of this team and the expectations of this franchise. Same job different suit.

Trading inconsistency for consistency is never a proble and since we are already paying lux tax what is an extra two mil this year when you can shed 9 next year? Two million will be spent by buss on some blonde big tittied hoes in no time anyway, hell give up on two out you four of your sluts for a season and pick up three new ones next season.

[YiYaoYue]

i'm just tired of laker fans thinking odom is locked to stay a laker and that we need to wait till we can get a really good deal like prince, battier, lebron, etc for odom when no fan of the other team wants to even hear the word odom for one of them. I don't know if it is laker fans over valuing odom, but I for one would be furious if odom walked for nothing.

[hermes]

i don't get why you think by not trading him now, we'll let him go for nothing, he could still be moved at the deadline if need be

the sky isn't falling

[YiYaoYue]

i don't get why you think by not trading him now, we'll let him go for nothing, he could still be moved at the deadline if need be

the sky isn't falling

the more desperate the team gets the lower the value we get in return.

[hermes]

who says the lakers are desperate? they have a good team, there should be no rush to make a move, just for the sake of making a move

[HINrichPolice]

Straight swagger jacking in this thread, I been posting a nocioni trade all damn week and could get not response. B******


Anyway like I have been saying regardless of the emotional attachment to odom WE KNOW that he wont have issues backing up bynum and pau in the PF spot, but we also KNOW FOR SURE that he cannot give us the necessary play we need at the SF spot. Why waste a contending year to " see what he's got", when you can add toughness and depth to the team NOW.

There are debates about whether odom will take a paycut next season.........HELL NO, especially not to the amount that would be beneficial for OUR cap situation. Two or three million off his price wont help us. Nocioni and Gooden TOGETHER this season make two million more than odom and can bring what we need to fill odoms shoes on the court. The amount that would make odom recieve so much praise to dropin pay seems to be between 8-9 million a year. Who really thinks he will drop that much from getting 14 mil? NOCONI will be making 7.5 NEXT SEASON and around that for the next three years after that.

PERFECT IMO since there is NO CONVINCING him to do us a favor....his contract is already suitable for our cap and he can play the 3/4 with toughness, hit the jumper, and move the ball. Its a cherry on top that we would still have a 7 million expiring next summer to move or lose (If we want) in Gooden which would also be HALF of odom's money WITHOUT CONVINCING him to help out our cap. IMO gooden dosen't have near the multiple talents odom has to demand big money and would be much easier to re-sign for Kwame Brown type money, especially once he gets a piece of the Laker Life. Even moreso after getting used to going back to the finals again. If he dosent want to take that 4 mil a year we have flexibility to move him easily and get a servicable big for even cheaper to play 4/5 off the bench. Those who were looking for all the ring hungry vets will see them after we have back to back finals appearences and WIN THIS TIME.


Trading odom straight up for one or the other makes no sense but to get a two for one or even to be able to get rid of one or two of luke / radman / ariza / mihm would allow us a little room around the collar to breath.

A (PF)expiring + fillers for a (PF)expiring and a gauranteed low money (SF)contract is a win-win IMO. We lose no size up front since gooden is the same height as odom for all you "Longest front-line in history" lovers and gain a SF who is just as humble, team-oriented and can SHOOT & DEFEND .

I know the two incoming names aren't as sexy as "ODOM" as far as the league is concerned but I thought someone put it best earlier this week when stating "back in the 3-peat days outside of shaq and kobe our roster wasn't filled with top notch talent and look what we accomplished". We have our big three in KOBE, PAU, and BYNUM now we fill the gaps. Look what a determined role playing PG D-Fisher meant to the team this year. Surprised alot of people right? I wholeheartedly understand those who covet the chemistry that we have but how long did it take for Pau to build chemistry coming in at the half point last year? The celtics took that problem head on and succeeded. Realisticly Pau and Bynum have never played toether does that mean anything? Lets be real nocioni and Gooden are professionals who I have heard nothing bad about who both have been a part of sucessful teams........nothing different here except for the history of this team and the expectations of this franchise. Same job different suit.

Trading inconsistency for consistency is never a proble and since we are already paying lux tax what is an extra two mil this year when you can shed 9 next year? Two million will be spent by buss on some blonde big tittied hoes in no time anyway, hell give up on two out you four of your sluts for a season and pick up three new ones next season.

As a Bulls fan, this is an encouraging post in terms of figuring out a deal that works for both teams. One thing I'm curious about is why there's a need to get rid of Mihm and Ariza? Even Vlad?

In terms of salary, the Bulls shouldn't have a problem with any of those guys as filler since they all expire before the summer of 2010. Luke on the other hand would mess with our 2010 plan.

BTW, we have enough room under the luxury tax to offer about 9 million for this upcoming year to Ben Gordon, so I think the only way BG gets signed and traded is if a team is willing to pay him at least 10 or 11 million this upcoming year while also have raises for each subsequent year.

Man, it must be nice to have ownership that's willing to pay the luxury tax. Don't take it for granted Lakers fans.

[YiYaoYue]

As a Bulls fan, this is an encouraging post in terms of figuring out a deal that works for both teams. One thing I'm curious about is why there's a need to get rid of Mihm and Ariza? Even Vlad?

In terms of salary, the Bulls shouldn't have a problem with any of those guys as filler since they all expire before the summer of 2010. Luke on the other hand would mess with our 2010 plan.

BTW, we have enough room under the luxury tax to offer about 9 million for this upcoming year to Ben Gordon, so I think the only way BG gets signed and traded is if a team is willing to pay him at least 10 or 11 million this upcoming year while also have raises for each subsequent year.

Man, it must be nice to have ownership that's willing to pay the luxury tax. Don't take it for granted Lakers fans.

mihm has been injured constantly... when healthy he has shown signs of being a prospect, but then gets injured again. the guy is made of glass or just really unlucky but the guy is very injury prone. Ariza is only included to make chicago more interested since hes a young SF who has good potential, someone chicago would like for their long term plans otherwise the trade looks horrible. Vlad is overpaid, but he isn't a bad player and since he expires in 3 years, it hurts the lakers next year when there is so many players to resign/extend such as bynum, odom, farmar, ariza, and mihm... while some of those might end up being dumped. And lakers would rather give up vlad in terms of getting rid of salary then walton since walton isn't making as much as vlad and talentwise about the same.

chicago is just unwilling to pay over luxury tax because they didn't make playoffs last year and the team right now isn't a contender, once the bulls become a contender, they won't hesitate to pay over tax.

lakers could eat some salary this year in the trade, because the players being traded are frontloaded and their salary decreases every year and help next year when cap space becomes a big issue.

[SPuL]

Well from the rumors of it
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Chicago may have another trade buddy in Sac for Brad Miller for possibly Noc

And it seems this is to try and free up some cash to keep Ben G? or maybe its a smokescreen for a sign and trade.

Hell if Chicago wants a center, give them Chris and LO for maybe Kirk or Ben and a pf? I dunno but Chi seems to want a C.

If all they're trying to do is free up a couple mil more for Gordon, we can give them Vlade + charlotte's 2nd round pick for Nocioni.. Saves them just under 2 mil this year

[HINrichPolice]

Well from the rumors of it
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Chicago may have another trade buddy in Sac for Brad Miller for possibly Noc

And it seems this is to try and free up some cash to keep Ben G? or maybe its a smokescreen for a sign and trade.

Hell if Chicago wants a center, give them Chris and LO for maybe Kirk or Ben and a pf? I dunno but Chi seems to want a C.

If all they're trying to do is free up a couple mil more for Gordon, we can give them Vlade + charlotte's 2nd round pick for Nocioni.. Saves them just under 2 mil this year

According to shamsports, Vlade's 3rd year can be terminated. Is this correct? http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... lakers.jsp

If not, and the 3rd year is guranteed, you can best bet that we want no part of Vlade.

[Bullsville]

Well from the rumors of it
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Chicago may have another trade buddy in Sac for Brad Miller for possibly Noc

And it seems this is to try and free up some cash to keep Ben G? or maybe its a smokescreen for a sign and trade.

Hell if Chicago wants a center, give them Chris and LO for maybe Kirk or Ben and a pf? I dunno but Chi seems to want a C.

If all they're trying to do is free up a couple mil more for Gordon, we can give them Vlade + charlotte's 2nd round pick for Nocioni.. Saves them just under 2 mil this year

According to shamsports, Vlade's 3rd year can be terminated. Is this correct? http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... lakers.jsp

If not, and the 3rd year is guranteed, you can best bet that we want no part of Vlade.

The ETO means the player, not the team, can terminate the contract. I can't see Vlad doing that.

One question for Laker fans, why don't you guys think Lamar won't take a pay cut next season? I'm a big fan of his game, but IMHO I don't see any other team offering him anything over a $10 million first-year salary.

There will be some teams under the cap next summer, but Boozer should be the big FA target, assuming he doesn't sign a new deal with the Jazz.

I don't see the Bulls trading Hinrich, management is a big fan of his, and I don't think we are going to resign Gordon. He wants too much money for what he brings to the table, and IMHO he'll be leaving in a sign and trade.

He seems like a perfect fit for the Lakers, he's no PG but in the Triangle he can get by- BJ Armstrong and Steve Kerr weren't PGs either, but in the Triangle you don't need a pure point, not with Kobe dominating the ball so much.

But I don't see the Lakers paying Gordon what he wants either, though he might settle for less to go to a contender.

The real guy we seemingly need to move is Nocioni, after signing Deng there isn't much room on the payroll for Noc. He would also be a great fit with you guys, if you could move Vlad of course.