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The #2 Pick

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Who do we pick

Poll ended at Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:33 am

Russell
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1141 » by Minhee » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:04 am

DEEP3CL wrote:This thread is getting delusional for some, people talk about Okafor as if he'll be some bust....when in fact he's the most physically capable of handling the rigors of the NBA's interior game than any prospect other than Towns. Furthermore this deceptive notion that bigs are no longer needed or have a purpose in the NBA is the biggest load of bull sh** I've ever heard.

Do people even realize there hasn't been one NBA champion in like the last decade that didn't have some sort of big being a factor ?

People the Lakers don't need to build a team that plays the same way 29 others do, they need to build a team that can be different and pose a problem for the other teams.

I've leveled my stance on the pick, if we use it on a guard then we better have a damn good plan on getting an established big...because this BS the media is spewing about bigs being moot is a lie, we need size and a legit scoring option in the post.

And if we use it on Okafor or Towns, then we better work just as hard on getting a lead guard that can run the show. I don't give a damn if it's Rondo....it's better than not have a damn thing at all.


Hi Deep! It's been a minute, i know that delusional comment was directed at me lol.

Well nobody said just plug in some scrub at center/PF, but the Heat didn't have anyone like Okafor, OKC made the finals without a legit dominating center. My point is you just need a versatile PF that can play multiple position ala ibaka, Draymond, Leonard or a athletic defensive center like DeAndre or Tyson. Dwight was suppose to be some dominant center and that scrub hasn't lead his teams anywhere.....I think the last true great center that lead his teams to championships would be Shaq...you can argue Duncan but parker and manu had as much to do with those teams especially the 2007 and 2014 squads.

I think it will be tough to pass on either Russell or Okafor, the way the league is playing it might be better grooming your potential star PG especially if him and Clarkson can play well together. Just don't want to be that team that took the conventional wisdom approach of always drafting a big first. Portland probably wants a do over and imagine if Chicago didn't take Rose 1.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1142 » by DEEP3CL » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:25 am

Minhee wrote:Hi Deep! It's been a minute, i know that delusional comment was directed at me lol.

Well nobody said just plug in some scrub at center/PF, but the Heat didn't have anyone like Okafor, OKC made the finals without a legit dominating center. My point is you just need a versatile PF that can play multiple position ala ibaka, Draymond, Leonard or a athletic defensive center like DeAndre or Tyson. Dwight was suppose to be some dominant center and that scrub hasn't lead his teams anywhere.....I think the last true great center that lead his teams to championships would be Shaq...you can argue Duncan but parker and manu had as much to do with those teams especially the 2007 and 2014 squads.

I think it will be tough to pass on either Russell or Okafor, the way the league is playing it might be better grooming your potential star PG especially if him and Clarkson can play well together. Just don't want to be that team that took the conventional wisdom approach of always drafting a big first. Portland probably wants a do over and imagine if Chicago didn't take Rose 1.
Naw Minhee, if you read this entire thread it started almost the day we won the 2nd lotto pick. Look I can't tell people who they should like or not like, I'm just looking at where this franchise is at and what our most glaring need is. My stance is that we can get a competent lead guard in free agency, but this is the one and only time we can draft a set of bigs that will have good careers. No matter how people want to minimize how bigs are useless, because a dominate big can be a problem if the other team has no answer for him.

When I see Okafor play, and I watched him plenty....he's gonna be a threat. Not saying he'll take over the NBA but he has the tools. The things people are nit picking are things he can easily improve. But his offensive post game is years ahead of that clown Dwight, we all know Dwight came in with a limited skill set anyway. Okafor has great foot work, touch around the basket...those are just two things Dwight lacked then and still lacks now.

All I'm saying is we better have a plan, we have two weaknesses. We can cover one in a simpler way in terms of a big, sorry but getting one in free agency is delusional. So why not draft one of the bigs ?

Now we can draft a guard, but it screws us over in terms of having to fill that big spot....we'll have depend on free agency for a big. And none of the decent bigs are coming here. This is a big draft for us, we can't screw it up.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1143 » by NBA Moses » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:41 am

kblo247 wrote:Part of me hopes Okafor goes 1, Russell/Mudiay goes 2, and Towns no workout or meeting have ass gets stuck in Phili while the other guard goes 4, and Skinny pork fat 5


Towns grew up a stones throw from Philly. Thats probably his preference. If not NY Philly.

Towns stuck in Philly building a dynasty with Embeast, Nerlens Noel ,Dario Saric. 4 First round picks next year including the Lakers and 5 second round picks this year.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1144 » by john248 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:13 am

DEEP3CL wrote:This thread is getting delusional for some, people talk about Okafor as if he'll be some bust....when in fact he's the most physically capable of handling the rigors of the NBA's interior game than any prospect other than Towns. Furthermore this deceptive notion that bigs are no longer needed or have a purpose in the NBA is the biggest load of bull sh** I've ever heard.

Do people even realize there hasn't been one NBA champion in like the last decade that didn't have some sort of big being a factor ?

People the Lakers don't need to build a team that plays the same way 29 others do, they need to build a team that can be different and pose a problem for the other teams.

I've leveled my stance on the pick, if we use it on a guard then we better have a damn good plan on getting an established big...because this BS the media is spewing about bigs being moot is a lie, we need size and a legit scoring option in the post.

And if we use it on Okafor or Towns, then we better work just as hard on getting a lead guard that can run the show. I don't give a damn if it's Rondo....it's better than not have a damn thing at all.


Uh, yea no ****. At the #2 pick, naturally only Okafor and Towns will be able to handle the interior game because the other prospects at #2 such as Russell and Mudiay are perimeter players. Porzingis just happens to be a rising name though not seriously considered.

And no **** #2 for a big being on a championship team. Nobody is saying bigs are useless. You're just taking it to the extreme. There's obviously a variety of bigs (or really centers since that's what you're getting at) since old Duncan, undersized Bosh, and a defensive Chandler have all won in recent years. These 3 players, who in fact did play the center position, are distinctly different from one another. I will add though that they are good on defense along with Bogut this year (assuming GSW wins).

And wasting salary space on Rondo is about a stupid as it gets unless the goal is to tank which it shouldn't be since the pick is gone.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1145 » by TheFloyd72 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:38 am

Okafor all the way
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1146 » by DEEP3CL » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:59 am

john248 wrote:Uh, yea no ****. At the #2 pick, naturally only Okafor and Towns will be able to handle the interior game because the other prospects at #2 such as Russell and Mudiay are perimeter players. Porzingis just happens to be a rising name though not seriously considered.
Who TF are you ?....This is just babbling on your part.

john248 wrote:And no **** #2 for a big being on a championship team. Nobody is saying bigs are useless.
Ahh Sherlock why don't you try sticking a damn ear to the radio and you'll hear radio host give their weak ass takes on this.



john248 wrote:You're just taking it to the extreme.
Explain thoroughly how I'm taking it to the extreme ? Again What I'm repeating is the narrative that the media is trying to get people to believe about bigs. And as I stated it's straight up Bull Sh**


john248 wrote:And wasting salary space on Rondo is about a stupid as it gets unless the goal is to tank which it shouldn't be since the pick is gone.
How do you know how much space would be wasted on him ? There is no one holding a gun to Mitch's head begging him to overpay Rondo. Bottom line he'd be a better option as a vet free agent than wasting the 15 mil they just did on Lin. Rondo isn't coming close to that, so anything they get him for is pretty much a steal.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1147 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:20 am

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kblo247 wrote:Part of me hopes Okafor goes 1, Russell/Mudiay goes 2, and Towns no workout or meeting have ass gets stuck in Phili while the other guard goes 4, and Skinny pork fat 5


Towns grew up a stones throw from Philly. Thats probably his preference. If not NY Philly.

Towns stuck in Philly building a dynasty with Embeast, Nerlens Noel ,Dario Saric. 4 First round picks next year including the Lakers and 5 second round picks this year.

A dynasty ? Guy couldn't even win in college with the most stacked team :lol:
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1148 » by Kilroy » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:54 am

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kblo247 wrote:Part of me hopes Okafor goes 1, Russell/Mudiay goes 2, and Towns no workout or meeting have ass gets stuck in Phili while the other guard goes 4, and Skinny pork fat 5


Towns grew up a stones throw from Philly. Thats probably his preference. If not NY Philly.

Towns stuck in Philly building a dynasty with Embeast, Nerlens Noel ,Dario Saric. 4 First round picks next year including the Lakers and 5 second round picks this year.


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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1149 » by john248 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:46 am

DEEP3CL wrote:
john248 wrote:Uh, yea no ****. At the #2 pick, naturally only Okafor and Towns will be able to handle the interior game because the other prospects at #2 such as Russell and Mudiay are perimeter players. Porzingis just happens to be a rising name though not seriously considered.
Who TF are you ?....This is just babbling on your part.

john248 wrote:And no **** #2 for a big being on a championship team. Nobody is saying bigs are useless.
Ahh Sherlock why don't you try sticking a damn ear to the radio and you'll hear radio host give their weak ass takes on this.



john248 wrote:You're just taking it to the extreme.
Explain thoroughly how I'm taking it to the extreme ? Again What I'm repeating is the narrative that the media is trying to get people to believe about bigs. And as I stated it's straight up Bull Sh**


john248 wrote:And wasting salary space on Rondo is about a stupid as it gets unless the goal is to tank which it shouldn't be since the pick is gone.
How do you know how much space would be wasted on him ? There is no one holding a gun to Mitch's head begging him to overpay Rondo. Bottom line he'd be a better option as a vet free agent than wasting the 15 mil they just did on Lin. Rondo isn't coming close to that, so anything they get him for is pretty much a steal.


And who TF are you? Ah, just another guy who posts on the forum. Who cares.

You're the one who's babbling to the extreme. You stated in this #2 pick thread that people are acting like Okafor is a bust when there are many supporters of him where a common response is to just take whichever big the TWolves pass on. Just because there are those who point out flaws in his game isn't the same as calling him a bust, but hey, your agenda is obvious.

So to sum up your response here...you now talk about radio talking heads. No one is even talking about radio hosts, but now you bring it up in an attempt to support your weak points. So you disagree with radio hosts yet you suggest to stick a damn ear to the radio? :lol:

Lin was hardly a waste since it also brought draft picks, you know...assets. Given that his contract was an expiring one for cap space this summer, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Surely you cannot be saying that Rockets trade was a foolish one. Maybe you don't know why it was made. :roll: If you're calling Lin's play a waste, Rondo really pales in comparison considering the Mavs dumped him. By wanting Rondo, I hope you know that you're in support of a player who's good attribute, his defense, has long since passed; that his glaring weakness, his shooting, is still as bad as it ever was. It doesn't help that Rondo is a notorious stat padder who wanted high assist totals making it easy to guard him. So easy, that it got to the point where defenses would give Rondo a free pass to the hoop while guarding everyone else (since his days with the Celtics), and he'd still pass up the chance to score because he wanted that assist. So bad to the point that he wanted to call plays which led him to clashing with Carlisle and out of Dallas. Yea, that's a waste of money even at the minimum. His name has zero equity now.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1150 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:52 am

Lin brought draft picks? He brought a 27th pick, no other pick, and he cost 15mil making him the second highest paid guy by the lakers to be a backup who couldn't beat out Ronnie Price and a second round rookie.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1151 » by Spens1 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:55 pm

Okafor for sure. as great as Russell is. Okafor is one of the best C's in this draft and has huge potential. Not sold on his defensive game at all but the safer of the two picks

In saying that we are all hoping that Minnesota stuff it up and draft someone else so we can towns for ourselves
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1152 » by Spanish_Laker » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:27 pm

Even if Minny drafts a guard, I would still pick Okafor. He is the safest pick with the best potential. Please Mitch don't mess it up, don't draft the PG who can't shoot or the SG who can only shoot.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1153 » by Slava » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:12 pm

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kblo247 wrote:Part of me hopes Okafor goes 1, Russell/Mudiay goes 2, and Towns no workout or meeting have ass gets stuck in Phili while the other guard goes 4, and Skinny pork fat 5


Towns grew up a stones throw from Philly. Thats probably his preference. If not NY Philly.

Towns stuck in Philly building a dynasty with Embeast, Nerlens Noel ,Dario Saric. 4 First round picks next year including the Lakers and 5 second round picks this year.


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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1154 » by crazyeights » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:56 pm

kblo247 wrote:Lin brought draft picks? He brought a 27th pick, no other pick, and he cost 15mil making him the second highest paid guy by the lakers to be a backup who couldn't beat out Ronnie Price and a second round rookie.


There were 2 picks in the trade, but the protection on it was 55-60...the Clippers winning streak at the end made us lose it.

People who bring up Lin's salary are hilarious: we weren't competing last year, and in the end we tanked.

I'd much rather have spent money on a loaner Lin, see if he's got any potential as a top 3 player, acquiring a pick, stiffing the Rockets, and ultimately throwing the season away to the tune of a top 2 pick than paid TT to be a team that garnered a handful more wins and ultimately loses the pick.

The move had a number of purposes and it paid off.

Had we paid Kyle Lowry, we'd still have lost Kobe and then been a treadmill team with nothing to show for it. We simply weren't going to make the playoffs. Just accept we needed to rebuild and this move was a part of that.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1155 » by ArC_man » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:29 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/610859573054963712[/tweet]
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1156 » by BEazy » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:44 pm

I'm firm on my stance on drafting one of the bigs. I really hope Minnesota pulls a Minnesota move and drafts a one of the guards. We all know how much Minnesota loves drafting guards...lol. Really though, we've won with the tradition of getting big men. Why ruin the tradition now? Unless ole Jimbo completely hated his father's ways, then all I will do is SMH. Why go away from a winning blueprint?
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1157 » by dockingsched » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:52 pm

Why do people care about the 15 mil that Lin made last year? I mean I could at least understand if one complained about the 8mil in cap room he took up, but to complain about his actual salary paid is just completely pointless. I gotta imagine it's only brought up to build up an agenda cause at this point everyone should understand the difference between cap hit, which we as fans should care about, and actually money paid which if the front office doesn't mind paying we as fans have no reason to care.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1158 » by Slava » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:59 pm

ArC_man wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/610859573054963712[/tweet]
NBA trying to make that SL $$$ :lol:


The match up vs Minnesota could be good.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1159 » by Slava » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:52 pm

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They talked deals, shared the latest gossip, told war stories as players like Michael Frazier and Christian Wood auditioned for their NBA lives. Several GMs paced the sidelines, back to the court, with their cell phone attached to their ear.

Then it all stopped. All of it. Like a pride of crouching lions ready to pounce on an unsuspecting gazelle prancing across the savannah.

The gazelle? A 7-foot-2, 19-year-old prodigy from Latvia that looks and plays like a cross between Dirk Nowitzki, Andrei Kirilenko and yes, Kevin Durant.

Bounce. Bounce. Swish.

Bounce. Bounce. Swish.

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No one wanted to move. No one wanted to scare him away.

Latvian prodigy Kristaps Porzingis bounded through his first and only workout in front of the NBA.


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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#1160 » by Sedale Threatt » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:01 pm

Oh man...it almost reads like pornography.

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