Cheating Way To Get A Superstar?

numbas · Post #1 » by **numbas** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:55 am

i just thought of this and u must not be able to do it cuz it sounds to good to be true but....

cant a team over the cap just sign say gilbert arenas this summer to a 1 year minimum deal then say the next offseason we'll just give u max money?

i mean once a player is on ur team arent u aloud to re sign him even if it means going over or if ur already over the cap?

slifersd · Post #2 » by **slifersd** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:20 am

Remember the T-Wolves and Joe Smith deal? That's why.

LA-LA-Land · Post #3 » by **LA-LA-Land** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:32 am

slifersd wrote:Remember the T-Wolves and Joe Smith deal? That's why.

incorrect. the t-wolves were admonished because they were paying him under the table on top of the signed contract (which is illegal)

to the post: you are required to have bird rights over players to be able to sign them regardless of your cap. 1 year does not grant you bird rights to the player.

:wink:

NOODLESTYLE · Post #4 » by **NOODLESTYLE** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:43 am

LA-LA-Land wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

incorrect. the t-wolves were admonished because they were paying him under the table on top of the signed contract (which is illegal)

to the post: you are required to have bird rights over players to be able to sign them regardless of your cap. 1 year does not grant you bird rights to the player.

do you know how the cap comes into play when it comes to "Cash considerations"? like if I remember correctly PHX traded their draft pick for cash? There's also sometimes "Cash considerations" within other trades that involve just players. Are those cash considerations suppose to be within a cap limit, or can they be any amount?

Post #5 » by **alfurd** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:04 pm

NOODLESTYLE wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

do you know how the cap comes into play when it comes to "Cash considerations"? like if I remember correctly PHX traded their draft pick for cash? There's also sometimes "Cash considerations" within other trades that involve just players. Are those cash considerations suppose to be within a cap limit, or can they be any amount?

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#82

82. Can cash be included as part of a trade package?

Players can be traded for cash, and cash can be included in trade packages. The amount of cash is limited to $3 million. The cash is NOT considered when matching salaries under the Traded Player exception.

In a sign-and-trade arrangement, if the contract contains a signing bonus, then any amount of this bonus paid by the signing team counts toward the $3 million limit (see question number 76).

Pretty sure this includes trades for draft picks.

Post #6 » by **crackjack** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:07 pm

Good luck convincing a max player to sign for cheap.

One injury, and they'll have hundreds of articles written about how dumb of a choice that was for the player.

Sports_1140 · Post #7 » by **Sports_1140** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:51 pm

How do you convince a guy to take millions and millions of dollars less just to pay him WHAT HE'S WORTH the next year?

Sports_1140 · Post #8 » by **Sports_1140** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:53 pm

on top of that what happens if the player get injured or doesnt play good why would the team sign him to a max deal the next year? THe player ends up getting screwed.

TonyMontana · Post #9 » by **TonyMontana** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:03 pm

That Nicka · Post #10 » by **That Nicka** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:35 pm

A player has to be on the team for 3 years before you obtain his bird rights... So, theoretically you COULD sign an superstar to a 3-year 15 mil contract with MLE... then give him a max contract when that is up, but

1) 3 years is a long time to make a fraction of the money you could be making just to play for a contender (hell, in 3 years they could possibly be contending where they are)

2) Its too big of a risk that the player could get injured in that 3 year span and never end up making the money they could have

I doubt it will ever happen

8'sReverse · Post #11 » by **8'sReverse** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:25 pm

If teams could do it, they would.
If players really wanted to win over the money they make, they'd do it.

Not going to happen.

That Nicka · Post #12 » by **That Nicka** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:32 pm

8'sReverse wrote:If teams could do it, they would.
If players really wanted to win over the money they make, they'd do it.

Not going to happen.

Gary Payton and Karl Malone?

:dontknow:

8'sReverse · Post #13 » by **8'sReverse** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:42 pm

That Nicka wrote:Gary Payton and Karl Malone?

:rofl: did they sign a contract worth $1 million to win now, then be garunteed a max contract the following year?

0HeadAche0 · Post #14 » by **0HeadAche0** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:03 pm

i love it when LA fans say "well [insert star player name] might choose LA and take the full MLE because think about all the extra exposure/endorsements he will get by playing in such a big market"

that always gives me a good giggle considering that it would never happen.

Post #15 » by **LLcoleJ** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:09 pm

0HeadAche0 wrote:i love it when LA fans say "well [insert star player name] might choose LA and take the full MLE because think about all the extra exposure/endorsements he will get by playing in such a big market"

that always gives me a good giggle considering that it would never happen.

I love it when you make generalization about [Laker Fans] in about every post you make...its a good giggle.

0HeadAche0 · Post #16 » by **0HeadAche0** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

. I'm not really generalizing am i really?

i've not said all LA fans say this, but i know that some LA fans definitely say it as well as you do, seen it a few times on this board also.

Post #17 » by **LLcoleJ** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:28 pm

0HeadAche0 wrote::D. I'm not really generalizing am i really?

i've not said all LA fans say this, but i know that some LA fans definitely say it as well as you do, seen it a few times on this board also.

But where is the whole endorsements = $$ in LA in this thread?

numbas · Post #18 » by **numbas** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:51 pm

ok well then my question was asnwered if u gotta wait 3 more years after the first minimum level deal to resign for max

i didnt say that either to come to LA for extra endorsments, i didnt even say a team i was just sayin a player that wants to immediatly go to a championship team

Lakerholic44 · Post #19 » by **Lakerholic44** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:51 pm

Rick Fox, while not a max player, took significantly less money to sign with LA with the promise of a bigger contract later on. Fox wanted LA really badly because he wanted a championship ring and because he wanted to further increase his bad acting career.

If the well runs dry quickly in FA, maybe LA might lure a baller (with the MLE) who otherwise would've gotten more money other years. Atlanta, for example, doesn't have the cap space to sign a big name in the off season after the Bibby deal. That's one less team without cap space.

TonyMontana · Post #20 » by **TonyMontana** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:54 am

Lakerholic44 wrote:Rick Fox, while not a max player, took significantly less money to sign with LA with the promise of a bigger contract later on. Fox wanted LA really badly because he wanted a championship ring and because he wanted to further increase his bad acting career.

If the well runs dry quickly in FA, maybe LA might lure a baller (with the MLE) who otherwise would've gotten more money other years. Atlanta, for example, doesn't have the cap space to sign a big name in the off season after the Bibby deal. That's one less team without cap space.

Rick Fox ........LOLLLL A decent ball player ..... A Jacked up actor ...
He should have stayed in Boston ..... My bad he actually helped a little in our run for the 3 peat .

More muscles than brain , well not even muscles , since Doug Christie woop his A55 on the court .....LOLLLL